What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
car? Just curious.

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On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
> car? Just curious.
>
> Another Dave

It would run for a while.
Then you would have an expensive repair bill.

Better is to dilute diesel with heating oil

I use two diesel stations, one is 10% more expensive than the other bit
I get 10% better mpg

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On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>> car? Just curious.
>>
>> Another Dave
>
> It would run for a while.
> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.

Just replace the engine oil with cooking oil - a bigger saving for an
oil change

https://youtu.be/81KbmZjiGJE

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On 09/03/2023 11:04, alan_m wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>>> car? Just curious.
>>>
>>> Another Dave
>>
>> It would run for a while.
>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>
> Just replace the engine oil with cooking oil - a bigger saving for an
> oil change
>
And it will run for an even shorter time.

> https://youtu.be/81KbmZjiGJE
>

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 10:21:43 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Better is to dilute diesel with heating oil
>
Until the revenuers dip your tank.

On 09/03/2023 12:31, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 10:21:43 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Better is to dilute diesel with heating oil
>>
> Until the revenuers dip your tank.
>

And traces of it, and red diesel can be detected with modern
lab analysers long after the vehicle has been back on
normal diesel.

On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>> car? Just curious.
>>
>> Another Dave
>
> It would run for a while.
> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.

Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not necessarily
so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely run fine on it,
while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions zone charges!

On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
> car? Just curious.
>
> Another Dave

I used to have an old Mitsubishi Pajero and all the interwebs said that
vegetable oil was good as fuel. In fact the first problem I had was that
on a cold morning the fuel solidified like olive oil in the fridge does
so I was a bit late to work that day. After that I diluted it about
50-50 with diesel.

At the time I was buying 20 litre drums of the cheapest cooking oil
available which if I recall was about half the price of forecourt diesel
so the saving on cost was about 25%, maybe £15 a week for me then, and
at the time I didn't mind the faff of buying the oil, the mess of
filling from a drum, oil on your shoes and trousers, dirty funnel on the
floor, disposing of empty drums etc, but barely worth the bother.

TW

On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>>> car? Just curious.
>>>
>>> Another Dave
>>
>> It would run for a while.
>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>
> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not necessarily
> so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely run fine on it,
> while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions zone charges!

Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
were you taking the piss?

I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay the
requisite duty.

On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Another Dave
>>>
>>> It would run for a while.
>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>
>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely
>> run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions
>> zone charges!
>
> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
> were you taking the piss?
>
> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay the
> requisite duty.
>

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes-excise-notice-179e-from-1-april-2022

You can use up to 2,500 litres of home made bio fuel annually before you
then have to register and pay fuel excise duty, relevant bit is section 2.4

On 09/03/2023 18:57, SH wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another Dave
>>>>
>>>> It would run for a while.
>>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>>
>>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely
>>> run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions
>>> zone charges!
>>
>> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
>> were you taking the piss?
>>
>> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay
>> the requisite duty.
>>
>
>
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes-excise-notice-179e-from-1-april-2022
>
> You can use up to 2,500 litres of home made bio fuel annually before you
> then have to register and pay fuel excise duty, relevant bit is section 2.4

If its the ULEZ charges you are concerned about then there is

https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 13:36:35 +0000, SteveW wrote:
On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>>> car? Just curious.
>>>
>>> Another Dave
>>
>> It would run for a while.
>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>
> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not necessarily
> so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely run fine on it,
> while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions zone charges!

Ok for my indirect injection G-Wagon‏, but not for modern direct diesel
injection cars.

On 09/03/2023 19:03, SH wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 18:57, SH wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> It would run for a while.
>>>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>>>
>>>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>>>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely
>>>> run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from
>>>> emissions zone charges!
>>>
>>> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
>>> were you taking the piss?
>>>
>>> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay
>>> the requisite duty.
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes-excise-notice-179e-from-1-april-2022
>>
>> You can use up to 2,500 litres of home made bio fuel annually before
>> you then have to register and pay fuel excise duty, relevant bit is
>> section 2.4

I will have to look this up. I heard stories of people burning vegetable
oil and being prosecuted.

> If its the ULEZ charges you are concerned about then there is
>
> https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details

Steve implied an old diesel burning vegetable oil would be exempt from
ULEZ charges.

On 09/03/2023 19:15, Fredxx wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 19:03, SH wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 18:57, SH wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
>>>> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would run for a while.
>>>>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>>>>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would
>>>>> likely run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from
>>>>> emissions zone charges!
>>>>
>>>> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt?
>>>> Or were you taking the piss?
>>>>
>>>> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay
>>>> the requisite duty.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes-excise-notice-179e-from-1-april-2022
>>>
>>> You can use up to 2,500 litres of home made bio fuel annually before
>>> you then have to register and pay fuel excise duty, relevant bit is
>>> section 2.4
>
> I will have to look this up. I heard stories of people burning vegetable
> oil and being prosecuted.

I heard that too, it involved the Frying Squad from the police force.....

>> If its the ULEZ charges you are concerned about then there is
>>
>> https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details
>
> Steve implied an old diesel burning vegetable oil would be exempt from
> ULEZ charges.

On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Another Dave
>>>
>>> It would run for a while.
>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>
>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely
>> run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions
>> zone charges!
>
> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
> were you taking the piss?
>
> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay the
> requisite duty.

The VED and emissions zone exemptions are both part of historic vehicle
status, due to age (40 years plus).

From gov.uk:

"If your vehicle was built before 1 January 1982, you can stop paying
vehicle tax from 1 April 2022.

If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered
before 8 January 1982, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April
2022."

and for "Clean air zones":

"You’re automatically entitled to a national exemption, and do not have
to pay a charge, if you have:

a vehicle that’s ultra low emission
a disabled passenger tax class vehicle
a disabled tax class vehicle
a military vehicle
a historic vehicle
a vehicle retrofitted with technology accredited by the Clean Vehicle
Retrofit Accreditation Scheme (CVRAS)
certain types of agricultural vehicles"

On 09/03/2023 19:15, Fredxx wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 19:03, SH wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 18:57, SH wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
>>>> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would run for a while.
>>>>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>>>>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would
>>>>> likely run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from
>>>>> emissions zone charges!
>>>>
>>>> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt?
>>>> Or were you taking the piss?
>>>>
>>>> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay
>>>> the requisite duty.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes-excise-notice-179e-from-1-april-2022
>>>
>>> You can use up to 2,500 litres of home made bio fuel annually before
>>> you then have to register and pay fuel excise duty, relevant bit is
>>> section 2.4
>
> I will have to look this up. I heard stories of people burning vegetable
> oil and being prosecuted.
>
>> If its the ULEZ charges you are concerned about then there is
>>
>> https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details
>
> Steve implied an old diesel burning vegetable oil would be exempt from
> ULEZ charges.

No. I stated that a historic vehicle (40+ years old) enjoys a national
exemption from low emission zone charges. That is regardless of fuel.

From gov.uk:

"Clean air zones"

"You’re automatically entitled to a national exemption, and do not have
to pay a charge, if you have:

a vehicle that’s ultra low emission
a disabled passenger tax class vehicle
a disabled tax class vehicle
a military vehicle
a historic vehicle
a vehicle retrofitted with technology accredited by the Clean Vehicle
Retrofit Accreditation Scheme (CVRAS)
certain types of agricultural vehicles"

On 09/03/2023 22:49, SteveW wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 18:12, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my
>>>>> diesel car? Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another Dave
>>>>
>>>> It would run for a while.
>>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>>
>>> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not
>>> necessarily so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely
>>> run fine on it, while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions
>>> zone charges!
>>
>> Can you cite anything where I can register a vehicle to be exempt? Or
>> were you taking the piss?
>>
>> I am aware it is possible to become a road fuel manufacturer and pay
>> the requisite duty.
>
> The VED and emissions zone exemptions are both part of historic vehicle
> status, due to age (40 years plus).
>
> From gov.uk:
>
> "If your vehicle was built before 1 January 1982, you can stop paying
> vehicle tax from 1 April 2022.
>
> If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered
> before 8 January 1982, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April
> 2022."
>
> and for "Clean air zones":
>
> "You’re automatically entitled to a national exemption, and do not have
> to pay a charge, if you have:
>
> a vehicle that’s ultra low emission
> a disabled passenger tax class vehicle
> a disabled tax class vehicle
> a military vehicle
> a historic vehicle
> a vehicle retrofitted with technology accredited by the Clean Vehicle
> Retrofit Accreditation Scheme (CVRAS)
> certain types of agricultural vehicles"

Thanks for clearing that up.

Did not Myth Busters do a show on alternative ideas for running engines. The
whole issue seemed to be the lubrication aspects and the carbonisation, not
to mention the very differing timings that can occur with weird oils from
vegetable sources.
Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>> car? Just curious.
>>
>> Another Dave
>
> It would run for a while.
> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>
> Better is to dilute diesel with heating oil
>
> I use two diesel stations, one is 10% more expensive than the other bit I
> get 10% better mpg
>
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> authorities are wrong."
>
> ? Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV
>

So what was in that stuff called Red X that people squirted into their tanks
when they filled up?
You can of course get engines to run on most oils, but whether it would be
very efficient and clean is a whole other story.
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> On 09/03/2023 11:04, alan_m wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>>>> car? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Another Dave
>>>
>>> It would run for a while.
>>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>>
>> Just replace the engine oil with cooking oil - a bigger saving for an oil
>> change
>>
> And it will run for an even shorter time.
>
>> https://youtu.be/81KbmZjiGJE
>>
>
> --
> "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge
> to rule it."
> - H. L. Mencken
>

On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
>>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
>>> car? Just curious.
>>>
>>> Another Dave
>>
>> It would run for a while.
>> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
>
> Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not necessarily
> so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely run fine on it,
> while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions zone charges!
>

Which is why buying a 2nd-hand 'modern' diesel-engined vehicle
is always a bit of risk. You never know if the reason for sale
is because it has been mis-fueled and got shot of, PDQ.

On Friday, 10 March 2023 at 18:06:15 UTC, Andrew wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 13:36, SteveW wrote:
> > On 09/03/2023 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 09/03/2023 10:18, Another Dave wrote:
> >>> What would happen if I poured some of this into the tank of my diesel
> >>> car? Just curious.
> >>>
> >>> Another Dave
> >>
> >> It would run for a while.
> >> Then you would have an expensive repair bill.
> >
> > Completely correct for modern, common-rail diesels, but not necessarily
> > so for older vehicles. A 40 year-old diesel would likely run fine on it,
> > while also being VED exempt and exempt from emissions zone charges!
> >
> Which is why buying a 2nd-hand 'modern' diesel-engined vehicle
> is always a bit of risk. You never know if the reason for sale
> is because it has been mis-fueled and got shot of, PDQ.

You know if there's a carbon buildup problem by it being down on power & very smoky.