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Re: Monday moaning: Why don't cyclists stick to the left of the lane?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:07 UTC

Drivers look at this and memorise it.

It's important.

https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/road-positioning-primary-and-secondary-position.jpg

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On 30/04/2022 13:07, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Drivers look at this and memorise it.

> It's important.

> https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/road-positioning-primary-and-secondary-position.jpg

They should read the Highway Code sometime soon, because it doesn't say
that.

Cyclists: Read the HC and memorise it. Learn about your responsibilities.

Don't rely on road.cc

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QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".

You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS

THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

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On 01/05/2022 09:28, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".

> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS

> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

The Highway Code uses the word *MUST* when mentioning a legal
requirement, and the would SHOULD when giving advice.

Your quote about leaving room uses the word SHOULD, so it isn't 'the
law' as you claim.

Don't go out on the road again until you understand how the difference
relates to your responsibilities.

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Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 1 May 2022 09:42 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:28:30 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".
>
> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS
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> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

Plus any car occupants of course.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 1 May 2022 10:13 UTC

On 01/05/2022 09:42, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:28:30 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".

>> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS

>> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

But according to your quote, the onus is on the cyclists. not the
driver, to leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles.

> Plus any car occupants of course.

I'm sure cyclists will follow the Highway Code and leave plenty of room
for them too.

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 1 May 2022 10:23 UTC

On 01/05/2022 10:28 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about fairy-cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".
>
> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS
>
> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

The "driver" of the *parked* *vehicle*?

Are you just plain simple?

[No need to answer; it was rhetorical. Everyone already knows the answer]

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 1 May 2022 10:27 UTC

On 01/05/2022 10:42 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Talking to himself again (as usual):

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:28:30 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".
>>
>> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS
>>
>> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.
>
> Plus any car occupants of course.

Mason: "The onus is on the driver and any other occupants of a parked
vehicle to ensure that any fairy-cyclist passing the parked vehicle is
at leat 1.5 metres away from said vehicle".

Yes: that's what Mason said.

Presumably it applies even when those people are in the nearby
restaurant or at the theatre. They probably need to appoint an agent to
stay behind to ward off the fairy-cyclists.

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On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:42:37 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:28:30 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".
> >
> > You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS
> >
> > THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.
> Plus any car occupants of course.

Including any children supervised by an adult.

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On 01/05/2022 05:08 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Talking to himself again:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:42:37 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Talking to himself again:

>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:28:30 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> QUOTE: One other thing The Highway Code has to say about fairy-cyclists' lane positioning is Rule 67: you should "leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path".
>
>>> You need to be at least a door's width out when passing parked vehicles, and 1.5 metres is often recommended ENDS
>>>
>>> THE ONUS IS ON THE DRIVER - BY LAW.

>> Plus any car occupants of course.
>
> Including any children supervised by an adult.

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QUOTE: We all know that hugging the kerb means that when you do encounter a drain, broken glass or anything else lurking at the side of the road, your only means of avoiding it is to steer outwards – perhaps sharply – into traffic that's potentially passing at a speed much faster than you. That's clearly dangerous. Hugging the kerb also reduces your visibility to drivers coming out of side roads and drives. ENDS

Why do drivers have so much trouble in understanding this?

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:55 UTC

On 01/05/2022 07:07 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> QUOTE: We all know that hugging the kerb means that when you do encounter a drain, broken glass or anything else lurking at the side of the road, your only means of avoiding it is to steer outwards – perhaps sharply – into traffic that's potentially passing at a speed much faster than you. That's clearly dangerous. Hugging the kerb also reduces your visibility to drivers coming out of side roads and drives. ENDS
>
> Why do drivers have so much trouble in understanding this?

There is no difficulty in understanding that "steering sharply into [the
path of faster] traffic" is dangerous.

The people who have difficulty with it are fairy-cyclists, who seem to
have no concept of the use of brakes in order to avoid hazards up ahead
and prefer to create even worse ones by moving straight into the paths
of faster vehicles.

If a lorry were to stop in the nearside lane on a motorway stretch with
no hard shoulder (they do exist), would traffic immediately following it
be justified in "steering sharply" into the adjacent stream of traffic?

Since the obvious answer is "No", it follows that the correct procedure
is to slow (or stop if necessary) and move out into the offside lane
only when there is a gap in its traffic stream and when it is therefore
*safe* to do so.

What's the difference with fairy-cyclists?

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We recently reported on road.cc that a Hove cyclist who suffered a close pass by a school bus was told that the driver thought she would have moved over – despite the fact that the space to her left was a parking bay. There's clearly some misunderstanding of correct road positioning out there.

Sigh - never ASSUME anything - basic rule.

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 by: TMS320 - Sun, 1 May 2022 20:27 UTC

On 30/04/2022 12:31, JNugent wrote:
> On 29/04/2022 10:23 pm, TMS320 wrote:
>
>>>>>> You have definitely used the phrase "seeking a collision".
>>>
>>> I don't think so. He was seeking a confrontation. But feel free to
>>> accurately quote it.
>>
>> On 20/04/2022 12:11, JNugent wrote:
>
>>> Don't hurtle onward seeking a confrontation and/or a collision.
>
> That was the expression of a basic rule for all road-users in all
> circumstances.

Context is everything.

> Have another go. Re-read it. Don't despair... you might get better at
> this English lark in time. What was your first language, out of interest?

I wouldn't say "truck" when I meant "pickup".

>>>>> cycling into the path of another vehicle - quite unnecessarily
>>>>> at that - is not unfairly described as "seeking a collision". The
>>>>>  only realistic conclusion which can be drawn is that the
>>>>> cyclist was so incensed and so stricken by the red-mist and the
>>>>> screaming and shouting disease that he was seeking to stop the
>>>>> car by riding into its path (leaving the driver no option but to
>>>>> brake rather than accelerate over on to the "correct" side of the
>>>>> road (for the driver).
>>
>>>> A diatribe of emotion and a total absence of objectivity.
>>
>>>>> More gibberish.
>>
>>>> Well done for admitting it.
>>
>>> Which playground are you in today? The big one or your usual one?
>>
>> The one not far from your bridge.
>
> It's a pity that you and certain others find it impossible to grasp the
> fact that all road-users are responsible for safety on the highways,
> isn't it?

Well it would be if anybody ever claimed otherwise.

> You are definitely an "I have rights, but no responsibilities" man.

You really don't have a clue.

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 2 May 2022 00:52 UTC

On 01/05/2022 09:27 pm, TMS320 wrote:

> On 30/04/2022 12:31, JNugent wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 10:23 pm, TMS320 wrote:
>
>>>>>>> You have definitely used the phrase "seeking a collision".
>
>>>> I don't think so. He was seeking a confrontation. But feel free to
>>>> accurately quote it.
>
>>> On 20/04/2022 12:11, JNugent wrote:
>
>>>> Don't hurtle onward seeking a confrontation and/or a collision.
>
>> That was the expression of a basic rule for all road-users in all
>> circumstances.
>
> Context is everything.

You're learning.

>> Have another go. Re-read it. Don't despair... you might get better at
>> this English lark in time. What was your first language, out of interest?
>
> I wouldn't say "truck" when I meant "pickup".

Wouldn't you?

Oh, tragedy!

I'm so upset... sob...

>>>>>> cycling into the path of another vehicle - quite unnecessarily
>>>>>> at that - is not unfairly described as "seeking a collision". The
>>>>>>  only realistic conclusion which can be drawn is that the
>>>>>> cyclist was so incensed and so stricken by the red-mist and the
>>>>>> screaming and shouting disease that he was seeking to stop the
>>>>>> car by riding into its path (leaving the driver no option but to
>>>>>> brake rather than accelerate over on to the "correct" side of the
>>>>>> road (for the driver).
>
>>>>> A diatribe of emotion and a total absence of objectivity.
>
>>>>>> More gibberish.
>
>>>>> Well done for admitting it.
>
>>>> Which playground are you in today? The big one or your usual one?
>
>>> The one not far from your bridge.
>
>> It's a pity that you and certain others find it impossible to grasp
>> the fact that all road-users are responsible for safety on the
>> highways, isn't it?
>
> Well it would be if anybody ever claimed otherwise.
>
>> You are definitely an "I have rights, but no responsibilities" man.
>
> You really don't have a clue.

I think I have the measure of you (and people like you).

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On 01/05/2022 18:07, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: We all know that hugging the kerb means that when you do encounter a drain, broken glass or anything else lurking at the side of the road, your only means of avoiding it is to steer outwards – perhaps sharply – into traffic that's potentially passing at a speed much faster than you. That's clearly dangerous. Hugging the kerb also reduces your visibility to drivers coming out of side roads and drives. ENDS

> Why do drivers have so much trouble in understanding this?

Drivers fully understand that swerving into the path of faster moving
traffic is highly dangerous. so tend not to do it.

Cyclists can always use their brakes to come to a stop to avoid the
hazard, it's far safer.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:15:03 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

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> Despite what some people would have you believe – spoiler alert: not everything written on social media is true – there's no rule that says cyclists should always be on the left-hand side of the lane (we'll talk about the related subject of riding two abreast in a separate feature, by the way).

I TAKE THE CENTRE OF THE LANE AS ADVISED IN THE HC.
MUCH SAFER.

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On 02/05/2022 09:52 am, Spike wrote:

> On 01/05/2022 18:07, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUOTE: We all know that hugging the kerb means that when you do encounter a drain, broken glass or anything else lurking at the side of the road, your only means of avoiding it is to steer outwards – perhaps sharply – into traffic that's potentially passing at a speed much faster than you. That's clearly dangerous. Hugging the kerb also reduces your visibility to drivers coming out of side roads and drives. ENDS
>
>> Why do drivers have so much trouble in understanding this?
>
> Drivers fully understand that swerving into the path of faster moving
> traffic is highly dangerous. so tend not to do it.
>
> Cyclists can always use their brakes to come to a stop to avoid the
> hazard, it's far safer.

Exactly.

How would any fairy-cyclist, whilst driving at 65mph in the overtaking
lane of a motorway (in a vehicle with or without functioning windscreen
wipers) react if a driver in the lane on the left, approaching a slower
vehicle a short distance in front of him, simply veered into the
fairy-cyclist driver's path, a few yards ahead, at a speed of 35mph?

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:15:03 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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> This refers to the left hand-side of the road, though, not to the left hand-side of the lane. Plus, there's a distinction in The Highway Code between 'must/must not' instructions which are legal requirements, and 'should/should not' and 'do/do not' rules which are advisory. Rule 160 is clearly among the latter.

In other words, it is perfectly acceptable to use ALL of the lane.

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 by: Spike - Mon, 2 May 2022 12:21 UTC

On 02/05/2022 11:53, swldx...@gmail.com wrote in reply to himself:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:15:03 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> This refers to the left hand-side of the road, though, not to the left hand-side of the lane. Plus, there's a distinction in The Highway Code between 'must/must not' instructions which are legal requirements, and 'should/should not' and 'do/do not' rules which are advisory. Rule 160 is clearly among the latter.

> In other words, it is perfectly acceptable to use ALL of the lane.

No, it isn't. The Highway Code is quite specific about this. You should
read it sometime.

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In his cycling skills manual Cyclecraft – which forms the foundation of Bikeability, the UK's national standard for cycle training – John Franklin talks about two main riding positions: the primary riding position and the secondary riding position.

He defines the primary riding position as being "in the centre of the leftmost moving traffic lane for the direction in which you wish to travel", and the secondary riding position as being "about 1 metre (3 feet) to the left of the moving traffic lane if the road is wide, but not closer than 0.5 metre (1.5 feet) to the edge of any road."

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On 02/05/2022 12:22, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> In his cycling skills manual Cyclecraft – which forms the foundation of Bikeability, the UK's national standard for cycle training – John Franklin talks about two main riding positions: the primary riding position and the secondary riding position.

> He defines the primary riding position as being "in the centre of the leftmost moving traffic lane for the direction in which you wish to travel", and the secondary riding position as being "about 1 metre (3 feet) to the left of the moving traffic lane if the road is wide, but not closer than 0.5 metre (1.5 feet) to the edge of any road."

He should read the Highway Code on the subject of road positioning for
cyclists.

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>
> RoSPA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents) says, "Don’t ride in the gutter; there may be debris and grid covers, and it will encourage drivers to squeeze past you even if there isn’t enough room.

Many novice cyclists make that mistake. Don't give the idiot drivers an opportunity.

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