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* Only if they have off road parkingMike Collins
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 by: Mike Collins - Wed, 4 May 2022 08:50 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWkDq4FtO4

If you don't have off road parking you should pay an extra £10 000 pa in council tax per car and the public road next to your house is not exclusively yours.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:08 UTC

On 04/05/2022 09:50 am, Mike Collins wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWkDq4FtO4
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> If you don't have off road parking you should pay an extra £10 000 pa in council tax per car and the public road next to your house is not exclusively yours.

I haven't watched the video.

In general, I agree that you're on the right lines. I believe though,
that it should not be possible to pre-empt others who arrive and may
need the use of a casual parking space.

Once the vehicle owner/ user has made arrangements to garage his vehicle
off the highway at or near his home (and actually uses the facility), it
would not be reasonable to require him to be off-street at the far end
of every journey*. That would be tantamount to making certain areas "no
go", without any creditable reason.

There's no need for the £10,000 or any other such amount. Make it an
offence to park** on the highway within a reasonable distance of the
user's address, with the near-certainty of detection and a hefty FPN for
contravention. It should be easy for the Mk I eyeball and modern
technology to spot a vehicle being kept in the same spot (or nearby) all
night every night.

[* I'd say, and yes, it's an anecdote, that well more than half of my
journeys end on an off-street space, whether it's the local CIU club, a
supermarket, the nearest town centre, etc. But there are occasions (eg,
visiting relatives or friends) when that is not possible.]

[** There might need to be reasonable and infrequent exceptions for
situations where the off-street space is temporarily unavailable. For
example when repairs or refurbishment of the property is being carried
out. But this would be rare and without scope for shams.]

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:34 UTC

On 04/05/2022 09:50 am, Mike Collins wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWkDq4FtO4

I did watch it in the end.

It was hilarious seeing Owen Jones vainly trying to appear reasonable.

It was even more hilarious that they concentrated on "cars per
household" when the only relevant metric is cars per person.

There is no reason why two (or worse still, more than two) adults living
in one household should be limited to one car between them. To insist on
that (via the totally irrelevant "cars per household" measure) is
nonsensical. Those people have their own individual lives to lead. Even
if married, they are not two halves (or three-thirds, etc, etc) of one
thing.

But... you are right in your implication that off-street parking needs
to be insisted upon (rather then any contrived limit on the number of
cars per household).

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 4 May 2022 09:51 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 9:50:34 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWkDq4FtO4
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> If you don't have off road parking you should pay an extra £10 000 pa in council tax per car and the public road next to your house is not exclusively yours.

There are so many drivers who believe that since they have paid for the pollution they spew out of their pipe they are allowed to park *anywhere* they want. This sheer level of ignorance is staggering.

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