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WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.

Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.

A jury took less than three hours at Teesside Crown Court to return guilty verdicts against Paige Robinson, aged 24 and from Billingham and David Ferry, 47 and from Redcar, reports the Northern Echo (link is external).

The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.

Shortly beforehand, she had changed lanes in front of former army officer Ferry, who was driving an Audi TT. She said that Ferry had been gesticulating at her and swerved towards her car, causing her to hit Mr Pattison, whom she claimed she had not seen.

Ferry however insisted that Robinson and her boyfriend, who was in the passenger seat of her car, had been making gestures at him and that she was tailgating him prior to the crash, which left Mr Pattison with injuries including a broken spine.

Giving evidence at the trial, witness Trevor Smith, who had been driving behind Robinson and Ferry, said: “The white car was quite close to the black car - they were side by side. They seemed to be matching each other..

“The white car swerved to the left and it was a ‘speed wobble’ as if she was trying to get the car under control. The brake lights went on at that point.

“There was a cyclist in front of the white car. I can remember saying to my wife – ‘he’s going to get hit’. I was referring to the cyclist.

“I was braking very hard; I was worried the cyclist might land in front of my car.

“At first I thought the cyclist was going to go under the vehicle, but instead he bounced up onto the bonnet, onto the windscreen then quite high into the air and into the verge,” he added.

Judge Jonathan Carroll told Robinson and Ferry that imprisonment was “inevitable” for both of them.

“You have both been convicted of causing ( THE DEATH) of Mr Pattison by dangerous driving,” he said. “The sentence in both of your case will be inevitable, it will be a custodial sentence. The only question is how long that sentence ought to be having regards to the circumstances of the case.

“As neither of you have (SIC) any previous convictions, particularly no driving convictions, I will order a pre-sentence report.

“Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an inevitable custodial sentence.

“Bail is granted on condition that you co-operate with the probation service in the preparation of the pre-sentence report,” the judge added.

Speaking after the jury returned the guilty verdicts, Sergeant Catherine Iley of Cleveland Police commented: “The offenders blamed each other for the collision which took Mr Pattison’s life but, as the court heard, their actions had catastrophic consequences.

“Myself and my team would like to thank all those involved in assisting at the scene, in what were extremely harrowing circumstances.”

She added: “Mr Pattison was a beloved husband, father and son and our thoughts are with his family and friends today.”

https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 6 May 2022 02:47 UTC

On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.
>
> Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.
>
> A jury took less than three hours at Teesside Crown Court to return guilty verdicts against Paige Robinson, aged 24 and from Billingham and David Ferry, 47 and from Redcar, reports the Northern Echo (link is external).
>
> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.
>
> Shortly beforehand, she had changed lanes in front of former army officer Ferry, who was driving an Audi TT. She said that Ferry had been gesticulating at her and swerved towards her car, causing her to hit Mr Pattison, whom she claimed she had not seen.
>
> Ferry however insisted that Robinson and her boyfriend, who was in the passenger seat of her car, had been making gestures at him and that she was tailgating him prior to the crash, which left Mr Pattison with injuries including a broken spine.
>
> Giving evidence at the trial, witness Trevor Smith, who had been driving behind Robinson and Ferry, said: “The white car was quite close to the black car - they were side by side. They seemed to be matching each other.
>
> “The white car swerved to the left and it was a ‘speed wobble’ as if she was trying to get the car under control. The brake lights went on at that point.
>
> “There was a cyclist in front of the white car. I can remember saying to my wife – ‘he’s going to get hit’. I was referring to the cyclist.
>
> “I was braking very hard; I was worried the cyclist might land in front of my car.
>
> “At first I thought the cyclist was going to go under the vehicle, but instead he bounced up onto the bonnet, onto the windscreen then quite high into the air and into the verge,” he added.
>
> Judge Jonathan Carroll told Robinson and Ferry that imprisonment was “inevitable” for both of them.
>
> “You have both been convicted of causing ( THE DEATH) of Mr Pattison by dangerous driving,” he said. “The sentence in both of your case will be inevitable, it will be a custodial sentence. The only question is how long that sentence ought to be having regards to the circumstances of the case.
>
> “As neither of you have (SIC) any previous convictions, particularly no driving convictions, I will order a pre-sentence report.
>
> “Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an inevitable custodial sentence.
>
> “Bail is granted on condition that you co-operate with the probation service in the preparation of the pre-sentence report,” the judge added.
>
> Speaking after the jury returned the guilty verdicts, Sergeant Catherine Iley of Cleveland Police commented: “The offenders blamed each other for the collision which took Mr Pattison’s life but, as the court heard, their actions had catastrophic consequences.
>
> “Myself and my team would like to thank all those involved in assisting at the scene, in what were extremely harrowing circumstances.”
>
> She added: “Mr Pattison was a beloved husband, father and son and our thoughts are with his family and friends today.”
>
> https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525

Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.

Will they get as long a sentence as Charlie Alliston?

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 by: Spike - Fri, 6 May 2022 08:04 UTC

On 05/05/2022 19:57, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.

> A jury took less than three hours at Teesside Crown Court to return guilty verdicts against Paige Robinson, aged 24 and from Billingham and David Ferry, 47 and from Redcar, reports the Northern Echo (link is external).

> Judge Jonathan Carroll told Robinson and Ferry that imprisonment was “inevitable” for both of them.

> “As neither of you have (SIC) any previous convictions, particularly no driving convictions, I will order a pre-sentence report.

> “Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an inevitable custodial sentence.

> <https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525>

Will they get as long a sentence as Charlie Alliston?

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 by: Spike - Fri, 6 May 2022 08:05 UTC

On 06/05/2022 02:47, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.

>> <https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525>

> Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.

As many decades as Charlie Alliston?

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 6 May 2022 08:33 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 09:05:04 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 02:47, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.
> >> <https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525>
>
> > Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.
> As many decades as Charlie Alliston?
>
>
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> Spike

If Charlie Alliston had been driving a car the pedestrian would be blamed for walking out into traffic.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 6 May 2022 15:52 UTC

On 06/05/2022 03:47 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.
>>
>> Two feuding drivers who blamed each other for a crash that resulted in the death of a cyclist have been told by a judge that they face imprisonment after both were found guilty today of causing death by dangerous driving.
>>
>> A jury took less than three hours at Teesside Crown Court to return guilty verdicts against Paige Robinson, aged 24 and from Billingham and David Ferry, 47 and from Redcar, reports the Northern Echo (link is external).
>>
>> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.
>>
>> Shortly beforehand, she had changed lanes in front of former army officer Ferry, who was driving an Audi TT. She said that Ferry had been gesticulating at her and swerved towards her car, causing her to hit Mr Pattison, whom she claimed she had not seen.
>>
>> Ferry however insisted that Robinson and her boyfriend, who was in the passenger seat of her car, had been making gestures at him and that she was tailgating him prior to the crash, which left Mr Pattison with injuries including a broken spine.
>>
>> Giving evidence at the trial, witness Trevor Smith, who had been driving behind Robinson and Ferry, said: “The white car was quite close to the black car - they were side by side. They seemed to be matching each other.
>>
>> “The white car swerved to the left and it was a ‘speed wobble’ as if she was trying to get the car under control. The brake lights went on at that point.
>>
>> “There was a cyclist in front of the white car. I can remember saying to my wife – ‘he’s going to get hit’. I was referring to the cyclist.
>>
>> “I was braking very hard; I was worried the cyclist might land in front of my car.
>>
>> “At first I thought the cyclist was going to go under the vehicle, but instead he bounced up onto the bonnet, onto the windscreen then quite high into the air and into the verge,” he added.
>>
>> Judge Jonathan Carroll told Robinson and Ferry that imprisonment was “inevitable” for both of them.
>>
>> “You have both been convicted of causing ( THE DEATH) of Mr Pattison by dangerous driving,” he said. “The sentence in both of your case will be inevitable, it will be a custodial sentence. The only question is how long that sentence ought to be having regards to the circumstances of the case.
>>
>> “As neither of you have (SIC) any previous convictions, particularly no driving convictions, I will order a pre-sentence report.
>>
>> “Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an inevitable custodial sentence.
>>
>> “Bail is granted on condition that you co-operate with the probation service in the preparation of the pre-sentence report,” the judge added.
>>
>> Speaking after the jury returned the guilty verdicts, Sergeant Catherine Iley of Cleveland Police commented: “The offenders blamed each other for the collision which took Mr Pattison’s life but, as the court heard, their actions had catastrophic consequences.
>>
>> “Myself and my team would like to thank all those involved in assisting at the scene, in what were extremely harrowing circumstances.”
>>
>> She added: “Mr Pattison was a beloved husband, father and son and our thoughts are with his family and friends today.”
>>
>> https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525
>
> Obviously life driving bans for both.

When was the law changed so as to allow that?

> The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.

That's a bit more like it.

What do you reckon for 1st June (after probation reports, etc)?

Less, or more than, six years?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 6 May 2022 15:56 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:12:14 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 3:47:06 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.
>
> > >
> > > https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525
> > Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.
> I'll keep an eye out for the sentence - they've already been told to expect jail.

No sentencing news today - looks like next week then.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 6 May 2022 16:10 UTC

On 06/05/2022 04:56 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Talking to himself again:

> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:12:14 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 3:47:06 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.
>
>>>> https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525
>>> Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.

>> I'll keep an eye out for the sentence - they've already been told to expect jail.
>
> No sentencing news today - looks like next week then.

You "think" so?

Which bit of...

QUOTE:
“Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now
and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an
inevitable custodial sentence.
ENDQUOTE

....was too difficult for you to understand?

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>
> “Bail is granted on condition that you co-operate with the probation service in the preparation of the pre-sentence report,” the judge added.

This pair has shown no such sign of being co operative so far - why should they change now?

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 6 May 2022 16:15 UTC

On 06/05/2022 05:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
>> “Bail is granted on condition that you co-operate with the probation service in the preparation of the pre-sentence report,” the judge added.
>
> This pair has shown no such sign of being co operative so far - why should they change now?

That's odd.

You could read that bit.

But not the bit about sentencing being reserved to 1st June.

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:57:16 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.
>

>
> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.

Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 7 May 2022 08:02 UTC

On 06/05/2022 16:10, JNugent wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 04:56 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Talking to himself again:
>
>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:12:14 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 3:47:06 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 20:57:16 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>> WELL WELL WELL. BOTH GUILTY AS CHARGED.

>>>>> https://road.cc/content/news/two-drivers-convicted-causing-cyclists-death-292525
>>>> Obviously life driving bans for both. The only question is how many decades they serve in prison.

>>> I'll keep an eye out for the sentence - they've already been told to expect jail.

>> No sentencing news today - looks like next week then.

> You "think" so?

> Which bit of...

> QUOTE:
> “Be under no illusions whatsoever, make your arrangements between now
> and June 1 when you come back for sentence, on the expectation of an
> inevitable custodial sentence.
> ENDQUOTE

> ...was too difficult for you to understand?

The part between QUOTE and ENDQUOTE?

--
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 by: Spike - Sat, 7 May 2022 08:06 UTC

On 06/05/2022 16:18, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.

> Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.

Since when was 70mph a metric unit?

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 by: Mike Collins - Sat, 7 May 2022 09:05 UTC

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 09:06:32 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 16:18, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.
>
> > Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.
> Since when was 70mph a metric unit?
>
>
> --
> Spike

How is this relevant? the majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 7 May 2022 09:18 UTC

On 07/05/2022 09:05, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 09:06:32 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 16:18, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.

>>> Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.
>> Since when was 70mph a metric unit?

> How is this relevant? the majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.

You're catching on - '10 seconds' is a metric measurement as well.

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 by: Mike Collins - Sat, 7 May 2022 09:45 UTC

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 10:18:03 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 09:05, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 09:06:32 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> >> On 06/05/2022 16:18, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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> >>>> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.
>
> >>> Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.
> >> Since when was 70mph a metric unit?
> > How is this relevant? the majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.
> You're catching on - '10 seconds' is a metric measurement as well.
>
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Is there some point you are failing to make?

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:05:07 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>The majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.

Don't forget to add on the time when the light was on single amber which also means STOP.

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On 07/05/2022 09:45, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 10:18:03 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> On 07/05/2022 09:05, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 09:06:32 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 16:18, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>>> The court heard that 49-year-old cyclist Graham Pattison, from Hartlepool, was thrown 40 metres when Robinson, driving a Ford Fiesta, crashed into the back of him at 70mph on the A689 between Wynyard and Sedgefield on 24 July 2020.

>>>>> Good to see them using metric distance units - more please.

>>>> Since when was 70mph a metric unit?

>>> How is this relevant? the majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.

>> You're catching on - '10 seconds' is a metric measurement as well.

> Is there some point you are failing to make?

Is there some point you are failing to grasp?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 7 May 2022 10:11 UTC

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:01:16 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:05:07 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> >The majority of motorists think speed limits are optional because they are 'above average drivers' and 'drive according to the conditions'. Pretty much like their attitude towards traffic lights, 'The light had only been red for 10 seconds'.
>
> Don't forget to add on the time when the light was on single amber which also means STOP.

Plus the red and amber phase of course.

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