On 27/03/2023 18:51, Chris Green wrote:
> farter <tsruhf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:36:49 +1100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>
>>> farter <tsruhf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:27:52 +1100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Multiple on line reports of people being mugged for their phone and
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> forced to provide the means to unlock it.
>>>>>> One reason why I don't use a fingerprint reader.
>>>>>> I would be happy to give up a PIN when there is little of real value
>>>> on
>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>> Assuming the phone was compromised I would prefer little of real
>>>> value
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> That's my feeling about using a smart phone for anything of great
>>>>> value, much too easy to lose or drop or whatever for one thing
>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> secondly not particularly secure.
>>>>
>>>> In fact vastly more secure than any alternative in reality.
>>>
>>> Not as secure as my computer kept safely at home.
>>
>> Wrong with the best smartphones which can't be used
>> by anyone but the owner when properly set up.
>
> Yes, but most people don't do they!
>
> Anyway, if my computer is inaccessible then no one else but me can use
> it.
>

And you are unlikely to lose it or have it stolen.

It's the grief of having to get a new phone and reloading
it with all manner of stuff that worries me.

On 27/03/2023 20:01, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
> Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> writes:
>
>> I know I've lived a comparatively sheltered life, but what are the
>> non-medical reasons that nitrous oxide is available in high-street
>> shops, only to result in kids buying it for 'recreational purposes'? I
>> accept that it might be required by some people for medical reasons
>> (but what, in particular?), in which case why is it not prescription
>> only?
>
> Medical reasons: Mountain and Cave Rescue carry it (Entonox) to help
> relieve the pain for people with e.g. broken limbs on a long stretcher
> carry. e.g. the recent big rescue in South Wales
>
> https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2013/01/03/cave-team-details-nine-hour-rescue-of-man-stuck-in-ogof-ffynon-ddu
>
> It's also used during childbirth, however it has nasty side effects
> if inhaled for too long, so where the hospital has inadequate
> ventilation the use has been suspended.
>
> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/hospitals-suspend-gas-and-air-for-mothersto-be-over-midwife-safety-b1063188.html
>
> Dangerous effects: it can interfere with the metabolism of vitamin B12
> and cause nerve damage:
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65067196
>

Are posters on the Nitrous oxide ?. Replies seem to be
popping up in the wrong place ?

On 27/03/2023 18:19, David wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:31:32 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> On 26/03/2023 16:01, David wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 08:04:13 +0000, Roger Mills wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/03/2023 12:49, David wrote:
>>>>> I don't want my credit cards on my phone "just in case".
>>>>>
>>>>> However sometimes I find myself out and about with just my phone and
>>>>> an unexpected spending opportunity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of a reliable rechargeable debit/cash card for an
>>>>> Android phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> An on line search offered far too many choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I have a Chase account, and have its debit card as one of the payment
>>>> options in Google Pay. Works fine - and gives 1% cashback on most
>>>> purchases (for the first year).
>>>
>>> How much can you charge against the debit card in one transaction?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave R
>>>
>>>
>> As far as I'm aware, there's no limit provided you have money in the
>> account to cover it. I assumed from your OP that you'd only want small
>> amounts to be accessible anyway.
>
> So (trying to clarify) you could suggest a Chase account with minimal
> money in it and no automatic top up, run purely for small payments?
>
> My main concern it to limit the funds available through the phone to a few
> pounds, purely as an emergency measure.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Dave R
>
>
Yes, that would work fine. Anyone finding your phone couldn't make a
purchase for more than the account balance - and only then, if they
could get into the phone - which you would presumably lock with a PIN
and/or fingerprint or face recognition.

You could top up the card from home from another account, using a
desktop/laptop computer.
--
Cheers,
Roger

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 06:23:26 +1100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 27/03/2023 18:51, Chris Green wrote:
>> farter <tsruhf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:36:49 +1100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> farter <tsruhf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:27:52 +1100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Multiple on line reports of people being mugged for their phone and
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> forced to provide the means to unlock it.
>>>>>>> One reason why I don't use a fingerprint reader.
>>>>>>> I would be happy to give up a PIN when there is little of real
>>>>>>> value
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the phone.
>>>>>>> Assuming the phone was compromised I would prefer little of real
>>>>> value
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> That's my feeling about using a smart phone for anything of
>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>> value, much too easy to lose or drop or whatever for one thing
>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> secondly not particularly secure.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact vastly more secure than any alternative in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Not as secure as my computer kept safely at home.
>>>
>>> Wrong with the best smartphones which can't be used
>>> by anyone but the owner when properly set up.
>> Yes, but most people don't do they!
>> Anyway, if my computer is inaccessible then no one else but me can use
>> it.
>>
>
> And you are unlikely to lose it or have it stolen.
>
> It's the grief of having to get a new phone and reloading
> it with all manner of stuff that worries me.

No grief at all with an iphone, just enter your apple id and carry on
regardless.

On 28/03/2023 22:19, Roger Mills wrote:

snip.

>>>>
>>>>
>>> As far as I'm aware, there's no limit provided you have money in the
>>> account to cover it. I assumed from your OP that you'd only want small
>>> amounts to be accessible anyway.
>>
>> So (trying to clarify) you could suggest a Chase account with minimal
>> money in it and no automatic top up, run purely for small payments?
>>
>> My main concern it to limit the funds available through the phone to a
>> few
>> pounds, purely as an emergency measure.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave R
>>
>>
> Yes, that would work fine. Anyone finding your phone couldn't make a
> purchase for more than the account balance - and only then, if they
> could get into the phone - which you would presumably lock with a PIN
> and/or fingerprint or face recognition.

On my Andriod with google pay you can make small purchases (eg £10-£15
in a cafe) without unlocking. You have to wake the screen up but not
unlock it. I don't know how many of these you could make without ever
actually unlocking the phone. (I assume whenever you do actually
unlock it then the counter is reset to zero)

>
> You could top up the card from home from another account, using a
> desktop/laptop computer.

(This is the exact method I use using a chase account topped up from my
main account via PC Internet banking. )

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Chris B (News)