On 24/12/21 6:06 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Daryl wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've always thought of subs as offensive weapons
>>>>>>>>>>> and have also never thought that we needed them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Better to spend the money on surface
>>>>>>>>>>> ships and aircraft based in our north.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nuclear subs have unique abilities, long
>>>>>>>>>> term invisibility being the main one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And we have no need for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think so either but I guess the Navy see's
>>>>>>>> them as a deterrent to an imaginary invasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's our media ramping up Chinese aggression!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hyping up rather than ramping up, yep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Australia sold/leased to China a refueling base in port of  Darwin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact not just the refuelling base, the docking too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When a China Navy ship refuels there,
>>>>>>> then sales past HMAS Supply (II).
>>>>>>> The Chinese ship is called a spy ship. the
>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) is called a intelligence ship?
>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) while big and important it is the slowest
>>>>>>> ship Australia has. Speed of 13 knots when fully loaded.
>>>>>>> You get the idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, tho the chinese did have at least one spy ship
>>>>>> watching the naval exercises with landing craft with
>>>>>> the USA on the east coast of Qld recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I find everything the Chinese make is broken unreliable crap
>>>>
>>>> I don't. My iphones have been very reliable and the two
>>>> different nail clippers have been perfectly reliable. The
>>>> spanner bit sets too. And the telescopic wheel brace.
>>>
>>> And the Philips Hue stuff too. Haven't had a single failure.
>>>
>>> The Audew jump starter too, very well done.
>
>> I supect if the quality control is done by companies outside of China
>> it works.
>
> That wasn't true of the nail clippers and spanners, they aren't even
> branded.
>

I find that the quality of Chinese products to be extremely variable
from top quality to utter rubbish and paying top price doesn't always
mean top quality.
I've still got some Chinese made ETC brand spanners that I bought 30yrs
ago and they are very good.
My son sells and installs solar panels, almost all are made in China and
with experience he knows what brands are good and which are rubbish,
some are as good if not better than those made in Europe.
Different story with solar inverters, his preferred brand is made in
Austria.

--
Daryl

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Daryl wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always thought of subs as offensive weapons
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have also never thought that we needed them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better to spend the money on surface
>>>>>>>>>>>> ships and aircraft based in our north.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nuclear subs have unique abilities, long
>>>>>>>>>>> term invisibility being the main one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And we have no need for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think so either but I guess the Navy see's
>>>>>>>>> them as a deterrent to an imaginary invasion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's our media ramping up Chinese aggression!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hyping up rather than ramping up, yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Australia sold/leased to China a refueling base in port of Darwin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact not just the refuelling base, the docking too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When a China Navy ship refuels there,
>>>>>>>> then sales past HMAS Supply (II).
>>>>>>>> The Chinese ship is called a spy ship. the
>>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) is called a intelligence ship?
>>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) while big and important it is the slowest
>>>>>>>> ship Australia has. Speed of 13 knots when fully loaded.
>>>>>>>> You get the idea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, tho the chinese did have at least one spy ship
>>>>>>> watching the naval exercises with landing craft with
>>>>>>> the USA on the east coast of Qld recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find everything the Chinese make is broken unreliable crap
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't. My iphones have been very reliable and the two
>>>>> different nail clippers have been perfectly reliable. The
>>>>> spanner bit sets too. And the telescopic wheel brace.
>>>>
>>>> And the Philips Hue stuff too. Haven't had a single failure.
>>>>
>>>> The Audew jump starter too, very well done.
>>
>>> I supect if the quality control is done by companies outside of China it
>>> works.
>>
>> That wasn't true of the nail clippers and spanners, they aren't even
>> branded.

> I find that the quality of Chinese products to be extremely variable from
> top quality to utter rubbish

Yep, me too.

> and paying top price doesn't always mean top quality.

Yep. One of the nail clippers was quite literally 1c post free.
I decided that although it looked fine, it wasn’t likely to be
be at 1c I wasn’t risking much. When it arrived it was very
good except that the jaws didn’t close parallel. I told the
seller, expecting to be ignored, but he sent another and
its perfect.

> I've still got some Chinese made ETC brand spanners that I bought 30yrs
> ago and they are very good.

Yeah, that telescopic car wheel nut spanner is perfect.
very heavily plated and will outlive me and any of my
kids and grandkids. With multiple sockets for the
usual nut sizes so it works fine for any car I will have
and the trailers too.

> My son sells and installs solar panels, almost all are made in China and
> with experience he knows what brands are good and which are rubbish, some
> are as good if not better than those made in Europe.

You cant even buy smartphones or tablets made in europe
or the USA anymore and iphones and ipads and Philips Hue
products are as well made as any in the world.

> Different story with solar inverters, his preferred brand is made in
> Austria.

Which one ?

On 24/12/21 12:45 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daryl wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always thought of subs as offensive weapons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have also never thought that we needed them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better to spend the money on surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ships and aircraft based in our north.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuclear subs have unique abilities, long
>>>>>>>>>>>> term invisibility being the main one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And we have no need for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think so either but I guess the Navy see's
>>>>>>>>>> them as a deterrent to an imaginary invasion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's our media ramping up Chinese aggression!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hyping up rather than ramping up, yep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Australia sold/leased to China a refueling base in port of
>>>>>>>>> Darwin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact not just the refuelling base, the docking too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When a China Navy ship refuels there,
>>>>>>>>> then sales past HMAS Supply (II).
>>>>>>>>> The Chinese ship is called a spy ship. the
>>>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) is called a intelligence ship?
>>>>>>>>> HMAS Supply (II) while big and important it is the slowest
>>>>>>>>> ship Australia has. Speed of 13 knots when fully loaded.
>>>>>>>>> You get the idea
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, tho the chinese did have at least one spy ship
>>>>>>>> watching the naval exercises with landing craft with
>>>>>>>> the USA on the east coast of Qld recently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find everything the Chinese make is broken unreliable crap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't. My iphones have been very reliable and the two
>>>>>> different nail clippers have been perfectly reliable. The
>>>>>> spanner bit sets too. And the telescopic wheel brace.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the Philips Hue stuff too. Haven't had a single failure.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Audew jump starter too, very well done.
>>>
>>>> I supect if the quality control is done by companies outside of
>>>> China it works.
>>>
>>> That wasn't true of the nail clippers and spanners, they aren't even
>>> branded.
>
>> I find that the quality of Chinese products to be extremely variable
>> from top quality to utter rubbish
>
> Yep, me too.
>
>> and paying top price doesn't always mean top quality.
>
> Yep. One of the nail clippers was quite literally 1c post free.
> I decided that although it looked fine, it wasn’t likely to be
> be at 1c I wasn’t risking much. When it arrived it was very
> good except that the jaws didn’t close parallel. I told the
> seller, expecting to be ignored, but he sent another and
> its perfect.
>
>> I've still got some Chinese made ETC brand spanners that I bought
>> 30yrs ago and they are very good.
>
> Yeah, that telescopic car wheel nut spanner is perfect.
> very heavily plated and will outlive me and any of my
> kids and grandkids. With multiple sockets for the
> usual nut sizes so it works fine for any car I will have
> and the trailers too.
>
>> My son sells and installs solar panels, almost all are made in China
>> and with experience he knows what brands are good and which are
>> rubbish, some are as good if not better than those made in Europe.
>
> You cant even buy smartphones or tablets made in europe
> or the USA anymore and iphones and ipads and Philips Hue
> products are as well made as any in the world.
>
>> Different story with solar inverters, his preferred brand is made in
>> Austria.
>
> Which one ?
>
>
>
Fronius.

--
Daryl