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* 2022Kerr-Mudd, John
+* 2022RustyHinge
|`* 2022Nicholas D. Richards
| `* 2022RustyHinge
|  `* 2022Don Stockbauer
|   `* 2022Nick Odell
|    +* 2022Richard Robinson
|    |`- 2022Don Stockbauer
|    `- 2022RustyHinge
+* 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
|`* 2022Kerr-Mudd, John
| `* 2022Kerr-Mudd, John
|  `* 2022Pancho
|   `* 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
|    `* 2022Pancho
|     `* 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
|      `* 2022Bernard Peek
|       +* 2022John Williamson
|       |`* 2022Richard Robinson
|       | +* 2022John Williamson
|       | |`- 2022Richard Robinson
|       | +* 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
|       | |`* 2022Don Stockbauer
|       | | +- 2022Nick Odell
|       | | `* 2022maus
|       | |  `- 2022Don Stockbauer
|       | `- 2022maus
|       `* 2022Mike Fleming
|        `* 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
|         `* 2022Sam Plusnet
|          `- 2022Ahem A Rivet's Shot
`* 2022Mike Fleming
 `- 2022Kerr-Mudd, John

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:30 UTC

Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.

Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: RustyHinge - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:49 UTC

On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote

> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>
> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"

I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:04 UTC

In article <t3jj7r$10g$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:49:14 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
>
>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>>
>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"

0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
>
>I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
>

Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20 April 2022
I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.

Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
yesterday.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: RustyHinge - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:31 UTC

On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <t3jj7r$10g$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:49:14 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote
>> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
>>
>>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>>>
>>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>
> 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
>>
>> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
>>
>
> Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20 April 2022
> I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
>
> Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
> yesterday.

It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."

It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana."

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:46 UTC

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:31:36 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> > In article <t3jj7r$10g$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> > girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:49:14 awoke Nicholas from his
> > slumbers and wrote
> >> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
> >>
> >>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
> >>>
> >>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
> >
> > 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
> >>
> >> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
> >>
> >
> > Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20 April 2022
> > I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
> >
> > Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
> > yesterday.
> It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."
>
> It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana."
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

You British! Today's date is 4/18/2022.

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 by: Nick Odell - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:53 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:31:36 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> > In article <t3jj7r$10g$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>> > girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:49:14 awoke Nicholas from his
>> > slumbers and wrote
>> >> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
>> >>
>> >>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>> >
>> > 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
>> >>
>> >> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
>> >>
>> >
>> > Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20 April 2022
>> > I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
>> >
>> > Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
>> > yesterday.
>> It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."
>>
>> It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana."
>> --
>> Rusty Hinge
>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>
>You British! Today's date is 4/18/2022.

Not on my photograph folders it's not. Today is 20220418.

Nick

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:03 UTC

Nick Odell said:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
>>On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:31:36 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> > In article <t3jj7r$10g$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge
>>> > <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>>> >> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
>>> >>
>>> >>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>>> >
>>> > 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
>>> >>
>>> >> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
>>> >
>>> > Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20
>>> > April 2022 I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
>>> >
>>> > Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
>>> > yesterday.
>>> It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."
>>>
>>> It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana." -- Rusty Hinge
>>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and
>>> the BOFH.
>>
>>You British! Today's date is 4/18/2022.
>
> Not on my photograph folders it's not. Today is 20220418.

Most easily sortable into chronological order.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:03:56 PM UTC-5, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Nick Odell said:
> > On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
> >>On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:31:36 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
> >>> On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> >>> > In article <t3jj7r$10g$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge
> >>> > <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> >>> >> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
> >>> >
> >>> > 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
> >>> >
> >>> > Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20
> >>> > April 2022 I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
> >>> >
> >>> > Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
> >>> > yesterday.
> >>> It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."
> >>>
> >>> It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana." -- Rusty Hinge
> >>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and
> >>> the BOFH.
> >>
> >>You British! Today's date is 4/18/2022.
> >
> > Not on my photograph folders it's not. Today is 20220418.
> Most easily sortable into chronological order.
>
>
> --
> Richard Robinson
> "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
>
> My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

I personally use the format MD/YY/MDYY

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:50 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:30:41 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.

0x2022 days is only a bit over 22 years.

> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"

>>> date(1980,1,1)+timedelta(days=0x2022)
datetime.date(2002, 7, 10)

You seem to have lost a couple of decades.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:44 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:50:08 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:30:41 +0100
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>
> 0x2022 days is only a bit over 22 years.
>
> > Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>
> >>> date(1980,1,1)+timedelta(days=0x2022)
> datetime.date(2002, 7, 10)
>
> You seem to have lost a couple of decades.
>
Oh dear. I got it from int 1A fn 4. I took it on trust. Let's look at that debug again:
[]
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->

?

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: RustyHinge - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:50 UTC

On 18/04/2022 18:53, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer
> <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:31:36 PM UTC-5, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> On 18/04/2022 13:04, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <t3jj7r$10g$1...@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>>>> girolle.co.uk> on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 12:49:14 awoke Nicholas from his
>>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>>> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>>>>
>>>> 0 times 2022 is isn't zero? Shirley not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I reply: I gooved the date today was 20/04/2022, not 1/1/1980
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last time I looked today is 18 April 2022. If it is really 20 April 2022
>>>> I am 74.0027 and not 73.9974 years of age.
>>>>
>>>> Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I did not Carpe Diem
>>>> yesterday.
>>> It has been said: "Time flies like an arrow."
>>>
>>> It has also been said: "Fruit flies like a banana."
>>> --
>>> Rusty Hinge
>>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>>
>> You British! Today's date is 4/18/2022.

4th of *what* month?

> Not on my photograph folders it's not. Today is 20220418.

My calendar only has 12 munce.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:45 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:44:37 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:50:08 +0100
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:30:41 +0100
> > "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> > > Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
> >
> > 0x2022 days is only a bit over 22 years.
> >
> > > Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
> >
> > >>> date(1980,1,1)+timedelta(days=0x2022)
> > datetime.date(2002, 7, 10)
> >
> > You seem to have lost a couple of decades.
> >
> Oh dear. I got it from int 1A fn 4. I took it on trust. Let's look at that debug again:
> []
> 16AB:011C B4 04 mov ah,04
> 16AB:011E CD 1A int 1A
> []
>
> ->g121
>
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> ->
>
> ?

Darn it 04<>0A (Glarses not jbexing)

04 gives cx as current CCYY so bound to be 2022 this year!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Mike Fleming - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:46 UTC

On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.

Space double quote?

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 by: Pancho - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:37 UTC

On 19/04/2022 08:45, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:44:37 +0100
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:50:08 +0100
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:30:41 +0100
>>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>>> >>> 0x2022 days is only a bit over 22 years.
>>>
>>>> Mr Spock replies: "Fascinating"
>>>
>>>>>> date(1980,1,1)+timedelta(days=0x2022)
>>> datetime.date(2002, 7, 10)
>>>
>>> You seem to have lost a couple of decades.
>>>
>> Oh dear. I got it from int 1A fn 4. I took it on trust. Let's look at that debug again:
>> []
>> 16AB:011C B4 04 mov ah,04
>> 16AB:011E CD 1A int 1A

In 1980 the Lord created the Spreadsheet, and he saw that it was good.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:39 UTC

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 13:46:37 +0100
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

> On 18/04/2022 12:30, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > Today there have been 0x2022 days since 1/1/1980.
>
> Space double quote?

I was *wrong*.
I used the wrong fn. It seems fn 0A doesn't get me days elapsed neither, not on this box anyhow.
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 12:01 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:37:21 +0100
Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:

> In 1980 the Lord created the Spreadsheet, and he saw that it was good.

In 1987 the Devil created Excel corrupting all the good in the Spreadsheet.

--
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 by: Pancho - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:43 UTC

On 20/04/2022 13:01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:37:21 +0100
> Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> In 1980 the Lord created the Spreadsheet, and he saw that it was good.
>
> In 1987 the Devil created Excel corrupting all the good in the Spreadsheet.
>

I actually used LibreOffice Calc to calculate, 2022 hex days. Calc is
now pretty good, not as good as Excel, but it's free.

However, having worked on 123 in the early 90s prior to Excel, I don't
understand where your negative Excel sentiments are coming from.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:37 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 21:43:24 +0100
Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 20/04/2022 13:01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:37:21 +0100
> > Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In 1980 the Lord created the Spreadsheet, and he saw that it was good.
> >
> > In 1987 the Devil created Excel corrupting all the good in the
> > Spreadsheet.
> >
>
> I actually used LibreOffice Calc to calculate, 2022 hex days. Calc is
> now pretty good, not as good as Excel, but it's free.

They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and whistles that I
have no use for.

> However, having worked on 123 in the early 90s prior to Excel, I don't
> understand where your negative Excel sentiments are coming from.

The only spreadsheet I use at all regularly is sc, it does what I
need of a spreadsheet, runs in a terminal and stores data in text files. I
can load it up, make a change, examine and save the result while
libreoffice is still loading shared objects into memory.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Bernard Peek - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:46 UTC

On 2022-04-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 21:43:24 +0100
> Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20/04/2022 13:01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:37:21 +0100
>> > Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In 1980 the Lord created the Spreadsheet, and he saw that it was good.
>> >
>> > In 1987 the Devil created Excel corrupting all the good in the
>> > Spreadsheet.
>> >
>>
>> I actually used LibreOffice Calc to calculate, 2022 hex days. Calc is
>> now pretty good, not as good as Excel, but it's free.
>
> They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
> original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and whistles that I
> have no use for.

One of the reasons for the bloat is that users try to use Excel as a
database. Generally people who do that don't know enough about their data to
build a database from it.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

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 by: John Williamson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:08 UTC

On 22/04/2022 09:46, Bernard Peek wrote:
> On 2022-04-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>> They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
>> original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and whistles that I
>> have no use for.
>
> One of the reasons for the bloat is that users try to use Excel as a
> database. Generally people who do that don't know enough about their data to
> build a database from it.
>
>
I worked for one boss that used it to write his letters...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:16 UTC

John Williamson said:
> On 22/04/2022 09:46, Bernard Peek wrote:
>> On 2022-04-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>> They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
>>> original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and whistles that I
>>> have no use for.
>>
>> One of the reasons for the bloat is that users try to use Excel as a
>> database. Generally people who do that don't know enough about their data to
>> build a database from it.
>>
>>
> I worked for one boss that used it to write his letters...

It was probably easier than trying to use vi as a spreadsheet ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

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 by: John Williamson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:24 UTC

On 22/04/2022 10:16, Richard Robinson wrote:
> John Williamson said:
>> On 22/04/2022 09:46, Bernard Peek wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
>>>> original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and whistles that I
>>>> have no use for.
>>>
>>> One of the reasons for the bloat is that users try to use Excel as a
>>> database. Generally people who do that don't know enough about their data to
>>> build a database from it.
>>>
>>>
>> I worked for one boss that used it to write his letters...
>
> It was probably easier than trying to use vi as a spreadsheet ?
>
>
Nah, you need eMacs for that.... <G,D,RFC>

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:39 UTC

John Williamson said:
> On 22/04/2022 10:16, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> John Williamson said:
>>> On 22/04/2022 09:46, Bernard Peek wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They're both hideously bloated tools distorted way beyond the
>>>>> original goal of a spreadsheet and stuffed with bells and
>>>>> whistles that I have no use for.
>>>>
>>>> One of the reasons for the bloat is that users try to use Excel as
>>>> a database. Generally people who do that don't know enough about
>>>> their data to build a database from it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I worked for one boss that used it to write his letters...
>>
>> It was probably easier than trying to use vi as a spreadsheet ?
>>
>>
> Nah, you need eMacs for that.... <G,D,RFC>

Oh no I don't !

But I may occasionally have tried to use a database for things that
might have been easier in a spreadsheet.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 10:11 UTC

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 04:16:37 -0500
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> It was probably easier than trying to use vi as a spreadsheet ?

I use sc for a spreadsheet, vi for an editor and troff to format
letters etc. and have done so for longer than most of the gooey alternatives
folks use today have existed. I've sometimes used LaTeX and once Docbook XML
(with XSLT and XSL-FO - never again <shudder>) for larger documents but
that's rare.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
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 by: Don Stockbauer - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 11:20 UTC

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 5:30:02 AM UTC-5, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 04:16:37 -0500
> Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > It was probably easier than trying to use vi as a spreadsheet ?
> I use sc for a spreadsheet, vi for an editor and troff to format
> letters etc. and have done so for longer than most of the gooey alternatives
> folks use today have existed. I've sometimes used LaTeX and once Docbook XML
> (with XSLT and XSL-FO - never again <shudder>) for larger documents but
> that's rare.
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Isn't LaTex on the border of Louisiana and Texas, or perhaps some kind of rubbery thing?

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