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* C172 pilot has Worst NightmarePhil Allison
+- Re: C172 pilot has Worst NightmareMountain Magpies
`* Re: C172 pilot has Worst NightmareSylvia Else
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 by: Phil Allison - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:03 UTC

Hi,

makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw

..... Phil

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 by: Mountain Magpies - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:38 UTC

On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 22:03:26 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison posted:-

> Hi,
>
> makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>
>
>
> .... Phil

Those level crossings in LA are a nightmare at the best of times.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 11:50 UTC

On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>
>
>
> .... Phil

Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.

Sylvia.

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Stupider than ANYONE Else wrote:
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>
>
> > makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
> >
>
> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>

** The pilot was probably trying a hitch a ride by landing on a train - but missed.

...... Phil

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 by: Mountain Magpies - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:21 UTC

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:47:21 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison posted:-

> Stupider than ANYONE Else wrote:
> ============================
> >
> >
> > > makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
> > >
> >
> > Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
> >
>
> ** The pilot was probably trying a hitch a ride by landing on a train
> - but missed.
>
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>

More on those LA rail crossings - the trains fly through them as you can
see, even in the middle of built up areas on heavily trafficked roads.

And they blow the whistle many times before getting there, gives you the
shits if staying near one and the track is being used all night.

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 by: Phil Allison - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 00:29 UTC

Mountain Magpies wrote:
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> More on those LA rail crossings - the trains fly through them as you can
> see, even in the middle of built up areas on heavily trafficked roads.
>
>

See example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxImMlpoAIg

** Reminds me of the similar crossings Melbourne is full of.

Cause of many fatalities to motorists a few pedestrians too..

...... Phil

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 by: Sylvia Else - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:56 UTC

On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>
>>
>>
>> ....   Phil
>
> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>
> Sylvia.

Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above the
runway but not enough space to land back on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY

Sylvia.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:07 UTC

On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ....   Phil
>>
>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above the
> runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>

Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case of
an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.

--
Daryl

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 by: Sylvia Else - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:23 UTC

On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ....   Phil
>>>
>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above
>> the runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>
>
> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case of
> an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>
>

I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.

Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
aircraft is beyond me.

Sylvia.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 09:55 UTC

On 12/1/22 8:23 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....   Phil
>>>>
>>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above
>>> the runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>>
>>
>> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case
>> of an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>>
>>
>
> I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.
>
> Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
> aircraft is beyond me.
>

Beyond anyone, very poor planning.

--
Daryl

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 by: keithr0 - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:22 UTC

On 12/01/2022 7:23 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....   Phil
>>>>
>>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above
>>> the runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>>
>>
>> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case
>> of an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>>
>>
>
> I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.
>
> Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
> aircraft is beyond me.

To do a successful turnback you'd need at least an altitude of 1000
feet, so you are suggesting that there be nothing built within the
distance from the takeoff point to reach at least that altitude. I don't
think that too many airfields would meet that.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:24 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> On 12/01/2022 7:23 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing, then ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .... Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above the
>>>> runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case of
>>> an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.
>>
>> Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
>> aircraft is beyond me.
>
> To do a successful turnback you'd need at least an altitude of 1000 feet,

Bullshit.

> so you are suggesting that there be nothing built within the distance from
> the takeoff point to reach at least that altitude.

More bullshit.

> I don't think that too many airfields would meet that.

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From: dwalf...@westpine.com.au (Daryl)
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 by: Daryl - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:19 UTC

On 13/1/22 9:22 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/01/2022 7:23 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....   Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above
>>>> the runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case
>>> of an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.
>>
>> Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
>> aircraft is beyond me.
>
> To do a successful turnback you'd need at least an altitude of 1000
> feet, so you are suggesting that there be nothing built within the
> distance from the takeoff point to reach at least that altitude. I don't
> think that too many airfields would meet that.

Don't know if Sylvia was thinking about turnback, just somewhere to put
the plane down reasonably safely and don't just build on every vacant
bit of ground.
Reminds me of the idiots who built a shopping centre on open space at
Essendon Airport, King Air would most like of still crashed but the
chances of survival of those on board would have been a lot higher if
there wasn't a shopping centre to hit.

--
Daryl

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:32 UTC

On 13-Jan-22 9:22 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/01/2022 7:23 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 12-Jan-22 8:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/1/22 4:56 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 10-Jan-22 10:50 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 10-Jan-22 5:03 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> makes emergency landing on rail crossing,  then ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpu6h8tksw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....   Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> Failed turnback attempt? Strange place to end up otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Seems it wasn't a turnback attempt, but a failure while still above
>>>> the runway but not enough space to land back on it.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2R8cX2KrY
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, what a terrible location for an airport or is it a case
>>> of an old airport being surrounded by buildings, either way not good.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I believe the airport was there first, as is usually the case.
>>
>> Quite why planners in the past didn't preserve engine-out options for
>> aircraft is beyond me.
>
> To do a successful turnback you'd need at least an altitude of 1000
> feet, so you are suggesting that there be nothing built within the
> distance from the takeoff point to reach at least that altitude. I don't
> think that too many airfields would meet that.

The higher you get, the more scope there is to reach a suitable piece of
open ground. If it's closer than gliding distance, one can use side slip
or s turns to get in. So a particular piece of ground serves as a
landing place for a range of engine failure positions and altitudes.

Even Bankstown, which is pretty bad, is not as bad as the airport in
this story.

Sylvia.

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