On 10-Apr-22 14:38, soup wrote:

> Always(usually) the same, "Too poor to get out of poverty".
>
Captain Vimes' boots.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 19:50:10 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 10-Apr-22 14:38, soup wrote:
>
> > Always(usually) the same, "Too poor to get out of poverty".
> >
> Captain Vimes' boots.

as compared with Sybil Vimes' coats.

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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 00:22:55 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

>On 09/04/2022 21:07, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>> Tone, all I meant was like dusting , you'll just have to dust again so don't dust .
>> haircuts , you'll just have to get another one so just let it grow long
>> eating , you'll just have to eat again later so don't ever eat
>> I guess stuff like that
>> it doesn't make sense to me either
>
>There should be a symbol (not cymbal) for 'tongue in cheek'.

:-J

<snip>

N.

On 10/04/2022 22:13, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 00:22:55 +0100, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/04/2022 21:07, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>> Tone, all I meant was like dusting , you'll just have to dust again so don't dust .
>>> haircuts , you'll just have to get another one so just let it grow long
>>> eating , you'll just have to eat again later so don't ever eat
>>> I guess stuff like that
>>> it doesn't make sense to me either
>>
>> There should be a symbol (not cymbal) for 'tongue in cheek'.
>
> :-J
>
> <snip>
>
> N.

£$-?=

Tone

On 09/04/2022 16:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 11:29:06 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yes, forty-two.
>
> Nonononononononono Two for tea!
>
<wakes up>
eh! wot's happening at 20 to 3 ?

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>
> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>
> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>
Summat like this?

https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>
>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>
>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>
> Summat like this?
>
> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>
You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it

On 11-Apr-22 10:23, nev young wrote:
> On 09/04/2022 16:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 11:29:06 +0100
>> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, forty-two.
>>
>>     Nonononononononono Two for tea!
>>
> <wakes up>
> eh! wot's happening at 20 to 3 ?
>
Dunno, but them's pretty good odds.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>
>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>> Summat like this?
>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>
>  You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it

<looks>
wall behind is nice and clean.
what you talking 'bout?

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>
>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>> Summat like this?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>
>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>
> <looks>
> wall behind is nice and clean.
> what you talking 'bout?
>
Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.

[1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.

On 13/04/2022 20:48, soup wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>>> Summat like this?
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>
>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>
>> <looks>
>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>> what you talking 'bout?
>>
> Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
> seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>
> [1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
> 'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.

This sort of thing
https://tinyurl.com/4c4nk7kb

soup wrote:

> I thought that unit was an ionizer.
> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it seemed to
> collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.

I stand mine on a sheet of A4 paper, then you can tip the dust out of the window.

In article <t379e3$2fh$1@dont-email.me>, soup <invalid@invalid.com> on
Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 20:48:26 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>>> Summat like this?
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>
>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>
>> <looks>
>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>> what you talking 'bout?
>>
>Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
>We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
>seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
>filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>
>[1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
>'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.

When my wife developed asthma I bought one for our bedroom. It did not
seem to help her asthma but it blackened the wall behind it. It was
shaped like a black pyramid, no dust seem to settle on the pyramid only
on the wall.

I have just remembered it is behind some boxes; I hope it was unplugged.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13-Apr-22 20:52, soup wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 20:48, soup wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>>>> Summat like this?
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>>
>>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>>
>>> <looks>
>>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>>> what you talking 'bout?
>>>
>> Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
>> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
>> seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
>> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>>
>> [1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
>> 'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.
>
> This sort of thing
> https://tinyurl.com/4c4nk7kb
>
I was just looking at exactly that item.
SWMBO isn't able to breath properly at night & is permanently tired. If
one of theses things helped, even a little bit, it would be worth the zu.
My doubts rest on the fact that we always have the bedroom window open
at night - it unforgets me of an irate engineering type on a frigate,
who complained about trying to air condition the entire Mediteranean.
(Due to hatches being left open.)

--
Sam Plusnet

On 14/04/2022 02:53, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 13-Apr-22 20:52, soup wrote:
>> On 13/04/2022 20:48, soup wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>>>>> Summat like this?
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>>>
>>>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>>>
>>>> <looks>
>>>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>>>> what you talking 'bout?
>>>>
>>> Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
>>> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
>>> seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
>>> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>>>
>>> [1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
>>> 'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.
>>
>> This sort of thing
>> https://tinyurl.com/4c4nk7kb
>>
> I was just looking at exactly that item.
> SWMBO isn't able to breath properly at night & is permanently tired.  If
> one of theses things helped, even a little bit, it would be worth the zu.
> My doubts rest on the fact that we always have the bedroom window open
> at night - it unforgets me of an irate engineering type on a frigate,
> who complained about trying to air condition the entire Mediteranean.
> (Due to hatches being left open.)
>
Maybe the crap build up was because the unit we had was twenty years ago
and of twenty year old design, or because we hadn't placed it in the
centre of the room. Would a filtration unit without ionizer be better ?

The air outside is in no way clean (pollen, fecal colliforms etc),
cleaning the air inside is a GOOD idea, leaving the windows open not so
good.

I often use a similar line to your engineering type "shut that door we
are not trying to heat the whole of Balerno"

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:40:02 +0100, soup <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 14/04/2022 02:53, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 13-Apr-22 20:52, soup wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 20:48, soup wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky tool.
>>>>>>> Summat like this?
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>>>>
>>>>> <looks>
>>>>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>>>>> what you talking 'bout?
>>>>>
>>>> Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
>>>> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
>>>> seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
>>>> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>>>>
>>>> [1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
>>>> 'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.
>>>
>>> This sort of thing
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4c4nk7kb
>>>
>> I was just looking at exactly that item.
>> SWMBO isn't able to breath properly at night & is permanently tired.  If
>> one of theses things helped, even a little bit, it would be worth the zu.
>> My doubts rest on the fact that we always have the bedroom window open
>> at night - it unforgets me of an irate engineering type on a frigate,
>> who complained about trying to air condition the entire Mediteranean.
>> (Due to hatches being left open.)
>>
>Maybe the crap build up was because the unit we had was twenty years ago
>and of twenty year old design, or because we hadn't placed it in the
>centre of the room. Would a filtration unit without ionizer be better ?
>
> The air outside is in no way clean (pollen, fecal colliforms etc),
>cleaning the air inside is a GOOD idea, leaving the windows open not so
>good.
>
>I often use a similar line to your engineering type "shut that door we
>are not trying to heat the whole of Balerno"

Which car manufacturer was it that claimed the air coming from the
exhaust was cleaner than that coming in through the intake? Maybe buy
one of those and port the tailpipe to the bedroom?

Nick

Nick Odell wrote:

> Which car manufacturer was it that claimed the air coming from the
> exhaust was cleaner than that coming in through the intake?

I gooved it was a diseasel bus manufacturer, didn't the same bus also claim to
be cleaner than a nun's thoughts?

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:21:21 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Nick Odell wrote:
>
> > Which car manufacturer was it that claimed the air coming from the
> > exhaust was cleaner than that coming in through the intake?
>
> I gooved it was a diseasel bus manufacturer, didn't the same bus also
> claim to be cleaner than a nun's thoughts?

They like easy targets then, I suppose their advertising was more
honest than a cbyvgvpvna.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 14-Apr-22 11:40, soup wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 02:53, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 13-Apr-22 20:52, soup wrote:
>>> On 13/04/2022 20:48, soup wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2022 09:22, nev young wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 18:29, soup wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 10:32, nev young wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/04/2022 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>>>>> But when it's lying on furniture it isn't doing any harm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it's dusted it flies around the room and you inhale it.
>>>>>>>> What we need is a mini vacuum cleaner/duster combination sucky
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>> Summat like this?
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/547knsxn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   You should see the shi ^w crap that settles on the wall behind it
>>>>>
>>>>> <looks>
>>>>> wall behind is nice and clean.
>>>>> what you talking 'bout?
>>>>>
>>>> Ooops, mea culpa, I thought that unit was an ionizer.
>>>> We had one(an ionizer/air filter thing)[1] in the living room and it
>>>> seemed to collect every dust particle in the house but instead of then
>>>> filtering the dust out, it all seemed to land on the wall behind it.
>>>>
>>>> [1] We needed it (or at least we thought we did) as youngest son had
>>>> 'bad' lungs (BPD Bronco Pulmonary Dyspasia), wife had asthma.
>>>
>>> This sort of thing
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4c4nk7kb
>>>
>> I was just looking at exactly that item.
>> SWMBO isn't able to breath properly at night & is permanently tired.
>> If one of theses things helped, even a little bit, it would be worth
>> the zu.
>> My doubts rest on the fact that we always have the bedroom window open
>> at night - it unforgets me of an irate engineering type on a frigate,
>> who complained about trying to air condition the entire Mediteranean.
>> (Due to hatches being left open.)
>>
> Maybe the crap build up was because the unit we had was twenty years ago
> and of twenty year old design, or because we hadn't placed it in the
> centre of the room. Would a filtration unit without ionizer be better ?
>
>   The air outside is in no way clean (pollen, fecal colliforms etc),
> cleaning the air inside is a GOOD idea, leaving the windows open not so
> good.

Alas[1] SWMBO insists that she _must_ have the window open since without
it,
"There is no air".

I too prefer the window open, but I don't use even a partial vacuum as
an excuse.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 20:52:50 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> Alas[1] SWMBO insists that she _must_ have the window open since without
> it,
> "There is no air".

While we were finishing this place up, just before moving in, with
all five of us and a couple of tradesmen in the place I accidentally left
the ventilation power off for a couple of hours - nobody noticed it getting
stale but we all noticed the change once I switched it back on again.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 14/04/2022 13:21, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> Which car manufacturer was it that claimed the air coming from the
>> exhaust was cleaner than that coming in through the intake?
>
> I gooved it was a diseasel bus manufacturer, didn't the same bus also
> claim to be cleaner than a nun's thoughts?

Probably a misuse of statistics?

The air coming in through (eg) a ventilator - or anybody else on the
road (cyclist?) - has been shown to carry about 4x the pollution of that
received alongside the road (eg) pedestrian. So it *could* be argued,
legitimately but misleadingly (eg by a 'manufacturer'?), that the
exhaust at the side of the road was less of an issue than being in the car.

It is also a good reason why car air inputs should be taken high up and
not through the front grille...

HTH, Chris

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 10-Apr-22 14:38, soup wrote:
>
>> Always(usually) the same, "Too poor to get out of poverty".
>>
> Captain Vimes' boots.

"Not only did you spend more, but you spent a lot of the time with wet
feet".

Belatedly, does anybody fancy a heating FOAK ?

I was running a solid fuel stove, which finally died last year (fair
enough; 10yr guarantee, I got 25 out of it). Not having expected it, I
made the default decision to heat through the winter on my other source,
a wall-mounted gas radiant; just a few weeks before we started hearing
of price rises. Pity, that. The last load of solid fuel cost me 350 for
the winter before this with a few bags left over, last Oct-Mar the bills
have come to ~600 for gas.

So now I have the summer to wonder what next ? Electricity, or bring
stuff into the house and set fire to it ?

"Heat pumps", they chant. So far as I can see, a minimal system would
have me something like 4k out of pocket on the capital cost, assuming
the grand talk about grants comes true. I could do that, but then ? The
talk seems to be a gain of between 3 & 4 times as much heat out as
electricity in. Which, given that 'leccy is costing > 4 times the
(current) price of gas, would have me committed to paying larger bills
than I already don't like.

And gas sounds like it's heading for complete meltdown.

Whereas, I could put a new modernstandards solidfule stove in for
"probably not more than" 1k or so. Briquettes have gone up, but still
less than (current) gas (wood's a luxury product in this built-up area,
& not really an option). Plus I'd have my very own personalised energy
security.

The planetary equivalent of wet feet.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Richard Robinson wrote:

> "Heat pumps", they chant.

jbex best with lots of insultation, and underfloor heating (or at least larger
surface triple panel rajiators)

Depending how hot you like your hot water, they may need a top-up from an
immersion to reach it, especially if it's really cold outside.

Tease'n'Seize wrote:

> Depending how hot you like your hot water, they may need a top-up from an
> immersion to reach it, especially if it's really cold outside.

I seem to have unforgotten that you have a fancy phase change electrickery water
hottage thing?

So maybe you're only looking at space heating anyway, in which case an
air-to-air mini-split heatpump to a smaller number of rooms, rather than
air-to-water monobloc fits the bill more?

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>
>> Depending how hot you like your hot water, they may need a top-up
>> from an immersion to reach it, especially if it's really cold
>> outside.
>
> I seem to have unforgotten that you have a fancy phase change
> electrickery water hottage thing?

Sunamp, yes. It was much more expensive than an immersion, but the
water's lovely and hot, and I like the Clever (I'm not sure it's going
very far though, because Weight. 100kg to store 7kwh). So hot water's
independently sorted.

Insulation's always a good idea, regardless of the heat source.

> So maybe you're only looking at space heating anyway, in which case an
> air-to-air mini-split heatpump to a smaller number of rooms, rather
> than air-to-water monobloc fits the bill more?

Minimal, yes. It's a small terrace with the downstairs dividing wall
knocked out & an open stairwell, so I see the house as a single heatable
space with a lid of insulation. So air-to-air along (I guess) the long
side of the downstairs wall. Handwaving estimates around the web seem to
say starting at around £9k.

"Underfloor"'s a new thought; but the hotwater storage wouldn't support
it, and even if it would, without the heat-pump amplification I Don't
Think So. And adding it to a heat pump would do even more unpleasant
things to the capital outlay.

Of course, I could defray that to some extent by installing panels on
the roof. Which would do best when I need it least, so lots of storage
....

Or I could continue to be able to put food on the table.

I have Zbarl, to some extent, but the more I lay out on installing
stuff, the less I'm willing to commit to a big increase in regular
payments to run it, the rools of eco-gnomics being what they are.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html