As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.

I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has come out of the freezer.

As I see it the options are
(a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
(b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)

I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.

Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they are all nuts.

Bill

wrights...@f2s.com <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
> supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving
> so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and
> abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the
> best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has come
> out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are
> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge and
> thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save electricity.
> However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will need
> more electricity to cook in the microwave.
> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will
> reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come
> on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating
> because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she
> leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group
> says leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not
> convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my
> flat because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable
> — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity
> (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they are all nuts.
>
> Bill
>

Obviously put it outside to defrost. This will fix global warming and
defrost your food faster. Win-win.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>
.... However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will
need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
> ...
> Bill

Dunno but 6C is too warm for a fridge. Recommended temp is 4C, or 5C at
a push.

--
Reentrant

On 25/04/2023 13:25, Reentrant wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>>
> ... However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will
> need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
>> ...
>> Bill
>
> Dunno but 6C is too warm for a fridge. Recommended temp is 4C, or 5C at
> a push.

That depends on how long you keep stuff in the fridge. Some people don't
even have a fridge and still seem to survive rather well.

On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
> supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently
> striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their
> ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the
> best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has
> come out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are (a) Put it in the fridge. This should
> cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is
> running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C
> when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook
> in the microwave. (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is
> that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that
> might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground
> source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My
> friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham
> Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the
> worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets
> it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets
> are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very
> knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to
> save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to
> minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they
> are all nuts.
>
> Bill

You transfer the frozen food to the fridge overnight and in the morning
or a couple of hours before cooking put it on worktop to warm up that
bit more.

"Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote in message
news:u28hq6$sf00$1@dont-email.me...
> On 25/04/2023 13:25, Reentrant wrote:
>> On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>>>
>> ... However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will
>> need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
>>> ...
>>> Bill
>>
>> Dunno but 6C is too warm for a fridge. Recommended temp is 4C, or 5C at a
>> push.
>
> That depends on how long you keep stuff in the fridge. Some people don't
> even have a fridge and still seem to survive rather well.

Yes, I'm sure it's perfectly possible to live without a fridge, as long as
you buy fresh perishable food (eg milk) more frequently and keep perishable
food cool some other way (eg wrapping a container of milk or meat in a wet
sack which cools the contents (latent heat of vaporisation) as the water
evaporates.

All a fridge does for you is reduce the frequency that you need to go
shopping to (for example) once a week.

We keep our fridge at 3 deg C and a 4-pint bottle of milk keeps for well
over a week - almost always I *just* manage to use it (mainly for breakfast
cereal) before it goes sour. When we go on holiday, I freeze whatever milk
is left and buy a small amount (eg 1 pint) when I return, to use that small
amount until the remaining frozen milk has thawed enough to use (often if we
get back one day, it's not thawed in the fridge by the following morning).

We tend to thaw frozen food at room temperature for an hour or so, and then
once it has *started* to thaw, put it in the fridge to continue thawing
overnight.

On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has come out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are
> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come on.

Having heating in your kitchen immediately blows your green credentials.
The camel dung fuelled Aga should provide all the heat you need.

(Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating because
my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads
the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says
leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced.
What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat
because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should be banned
outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they are all

--
Colin Bignell

On 25/04/2023 13:54, NY wrote:
> "Fredxx" <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote in message
> news:u28hq6$sf00$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 25/04/2023 13:25, Reentrant wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>>>>
>>> ... However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so
>>> will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
>>>> ...
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Dunno but 6C is too warm for a fridge. Recommended temp is 4C, or 5C
>>> at a push.
>>
>> That depends on how long you keep stuff in the fridge. Some people
>> don't even have a fridge and still seem to survive rather well.
>
> Yes, I'm sure it's perfectly possible to live without a fridge, as long
> as you buy fresh perishable food (eg milk) more frequently and keep
> perishable food cool some other way (eg wrapping a container of milk or
> meat in a wet sack which cools the contents (latent heat of
> vaporisation) as the water evaporates.

An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
hung in the shade.

>
> All a fridge does for you is reduce the frequency that you need to go
> shopping to (for example) once a week.
>
> We keep our fridge at 3 deg C and a 4-pint bottle of milk keeps for well
> over a week - almost always I *just* manage to use it (mainly for
> breakfast cereal) before it goes sour. When we go on holiday, I freeze
> whatever milk is left and buy a small amount (eg 1 pint) when I return,
> to use that small amount until the remaining frozen milk has thawed
> enough to use (often if we get back one day, it's not thawed in the
> fridge by the following morning).
>
> We tend to thaw frozen food at room temperature for an hour or so, and
> then once it has *started* to thaw, put it in the fridge to continue
> thawing overnight.

--
Colin Bignell

Am 25/04/2023 um 12:16 schrieb wrights...@f2s.com:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has come out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are
> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they are all nuts.
>
> Bill

My kitchen is cold enough. I don't even turn the fridge on.

--
Ottavio Caruso

Am 25/04/2023 um 13:01 schrieb Colin Bignell:
> Having heating in your kitchen immediately blows your green credentials.

Fail! Being green means having a fridge but make somebody else pay for you.

Or videorecording your Last Generation soft terrorist acts with a phone
made in a sweatshop by a 9yo.

--
Ottavio Caruso

On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has come out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are
> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they are all nuts.
>
> Bill

Why don't you give notice on the rental flat and buy back your previous
humble abode with the electric gates?

You had enough land there to put in a ground source heat pump.

Or has your PC been hacked and someone is masquerading as you?

In message <u28lgj$s4nd$2@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> writes
>On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
>>supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently
>>striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their
>>ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns
>>the best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that
>>has come out of the freezer.
>> As I see it the options are
>> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge
>>and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save
>>electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the
>>fridge, so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.
>> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will
>>reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating
>>come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source
>>heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia
>>Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against
>>Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the worktop is the best
>>idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that
>>is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets are an environmental
>>disaster and should be banned outright.)
>> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very
>>knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C
>>to save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set
>>to minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. —
>>they are all nuts.
>> Bill
>
>
>Why don't you give notice on the rental flat and buy back your previous
>humble abode with the electric gates?
>
>You had enough land there to put in a ground source heat pump.
>
>Or has your PC been hacked and someone is masquerading as you?

We need to know what happened to the Chickens!

--
Tim Lamb

On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>
> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
> supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently
> striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their
> ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>
> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the
> best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has
> come out of the freezer.
>
> As I see it the options are (a) Put it in the fridge. This should
> cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is
> running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C
> when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook
> in the microwave. (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is
> that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that
> might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground
> source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My
> friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham
> Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the
> worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets
> it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets
> are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>
> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very
> knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to
> save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to
> minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>
> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they
> are all nuts.

Well the obvious (and very uk.d-i-y) answer would be to take the food
from the freezer immediately before use, then slice off as many 1cm
thick slices as required using an angle grinder. Return the rest to the
freezer, and then microwave your slices from frozen :-)

--
Cheers,

John.

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Colin Bignell wrote:

>An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>hung in the shade.

And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
opening.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>> hung in the shade.
>
> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
> opening.

My mother used to cover opened jam with waxed paper disks, pressed onto
the surface before putting the top back on.

--
Colin Bignell

On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>> hung in the shade.
>
> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
> opening.

The problem for us is that we don't eat a lot of jam, so a jar lasts too
long and goes mouldy unless refrigerated.

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> > Colin Bignell wrote:
> >
> >> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
> >> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
> >> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
> >> hung in the shade.
> >
> > And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
> > required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
> > opening.
>
> The problem for us is that we don't eat a lot of jam, so a jar lasts too
> long and goes mouldy unless refrigerated.
>
Our home made marmalade doesn't do that. I leave a jar on our boat in
France to use the next time I'm there and it doesn't grow mould. It
does eventually dry up a bit and goes sugary at the edges.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> Colin Bignell wrote:
>
> >An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
> >with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
> >the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
> >hung in the shade.
>
> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
> opening.
>
Sauce is usually pretty 'self preserving'. I recently finished a
bottle of ketchup that had a best before date of something like 2016.
It was perfectly OK and still tasted good (and I'm still alive!).

We also make our own marmalade and have several jars of that which are
several years old. 2016 marmalade is lovely.

--
Chris Green
·

On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 17:36:32 +0100, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> Colin Bignell wrote:
>>
>> >An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta
>> >saucer,
>> >with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>> >the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>> >hung in the shade.
>>
>> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not required
>> to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after opening.
>>
> Sauce is usually pretty 'self preserving'. I recently finished a bottle
> of ketchup that had a best before date of something like 2016. It was
> perfectly OK and still tasted good (and I'm still alive!).
>
> We also make our own marmalade and have several jars of that which are
> several years old. 2016 marmalade is lovely.

It has to do with, I suspect, the amount of fhtne/fnyg in them.

Pbzzrepvnyyl it is frowned upon to use too much of either as 'it is bad
for you' - don't you know ... Whilst (1) home made we use a real recipe
and put enough of either/both to make sure it tastes nice and keeps well.

Oh and if it goes off quick you need to buy more ...

Avpx
(1) I got told of for using that worm once whilst I was a civil swerant -
seems an ok worm to me

--
Her attitude to music was purely ballistic - just point your voice at
the end of the verse and go for it.
(Maskerade)
Tue 10829 Sep 17:45:01 BST 1993
17:45:01 up 5 days, 1:02, 8 users, load average: 0.60, 0.34, 0.31

On 25/04/2023 17:38, Chris Green wrote:
> SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>
>>>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>>>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>>>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>>>> hung in the shade.
>>>
>>> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
>>> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
>>> opening.
>>
>> The problem for us is that we don't eat a lot of jam, so a jar lasts too
>> long and goes mouldy unless refrigerated.
>>
> Our home made marmalade doesn't do that. I leave a jar on our boat in
> France to use the next time I'm there and it doesn't grow mould. It
> does eventually dry up a bit and goes sugary at the edges.
>

I suspect you use a lot more sugar than any commercial jam maker would
dare to put in their products these days.

--
Colin Bignell

Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 17:38, Chris Green wrote:
> > SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> >> On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> >>> Colin Bignell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
> >>>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
> >>>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
> >>>> hung in the shade.
> >>>
> >>> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
> >>> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
> >>> opening.
> >>
> >> The problem for us is that we don't eat a lot of jam, so a jar lasts too
> >> long and goes mouldy unless refrigerated.
> >>
> > Our home made marmalade doesn't do that. I leave a jar on our boat in
> > France to use the next time I'm there and it doesn't grow mould. It
> > does eventually dry up a bit and goes sugary at the edges.
> >
>
> I suspect you use a lot more sugar than any commercial jam maker would
> dare to put in their products these days.
>
You'd be surprised! The first jar I looked at (Aldi strawberry jam)
has 60g of sugar per 100g of jam, i.e. it's more than 50% sugar.

--
Chris Green
·

On 25/04/2023 13:46, Fredxx wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 13:16, wrights...@f2s.com wrote:
>>
>> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
>> supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently
>> striving so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their
>> ways and abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.
>>
>> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the
>> best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has
>> come out of the freezer.
>>
>> As I see it the options are (a) Put it in the fridge. This should
>> cool the contents of the fridge and thus reduce the time the motor is
>> running, which will save electricity. However it will be at only 6C
>> when taken out of the fridge, so will need more electricity to cook
>> in the microwave. (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is
>> that surely it will reduce the temperature of the room, and that
>> might make the heating come on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground
>> source or air-source heating because my landlord is a fascist.) My
>> friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes (she leads the Concerned Rotherham
>> Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP) group says leaving the food on the
>> worktop is the best idea, but I'm not convinced. What if the dog gets
>> it? (Of course that is hypothetical in my flat because domestic pets
>> are an environmental disaster and should be banned outright.)
>>
>> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very
>> knowledgeable — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to
>> save electricity (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to
>> minus 18C the motor ran quite a lot.
>>
>> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they
>> are all nuts.
>>
>> Bill
>
> You transfer the frozen food to the fridge overnight and in the morning
> or a couple of hours before cooking put it on worktop to warm up that
> bit more.
>
Microbiologically, that is the safest way to do it.

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Colin Bignell wrote:
>>
>>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>>> hung in the shade.
>>
>> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
>> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
>> opening.
>
> The problem for us is that we don't eat a lot of jam, so a jar lasts too
> long and goes mouldy unless refrigerated.
>
>

Stop buying “low sugar” versions. Therein lies the problem.

Tim

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On 25/04/2023 16:33, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 25/04/2023 16:15, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Colin Bignell wrote:
>>
>>> An unglazed terracotta container, sitting on a glazed terracotta saucer,
>>> with water in it. That was how we kept milk and butter when camping in
>>> the 1950s. Meat, of course, was kept in a perforated zinc meat safe,
>>> hung in the shade.
>>
>> And jars of jam, sauces etc. lived on the shelf, and were not
>> required to be in the fridge (which we did not have) after
>> opening.
>
> My mother used to cover opened jam with waxed paper disks, pressed onto
> the surface before putting the top back on.
>
Those disks may still be available - I know I saw them about 10 years ago.

wrights...@f2s.com <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote

> As you will all know I am a committed environmentalist and keen
> supporter of all the various pressure groups that are presently striving
> so valiantly to force the ignorant masses to change their ways and
> abandon private motoring, meat eating, and other horrors.

> I have a conundrum; one that I find sorely troubling. It concerns the
> best way (least use of electricity and gas) to defrost food that has
> come out of the freezer.

I don't defrost most food, cook it straight from the freezer.

The only real exception is the cold meat for the massive
great open sandwich I have every 4 days for the main meal
with the fresh loaf of bread from the bread machine, the
top of the vertical loaf, with my relish and lettuce leaves.

A roast leg of lamb which is my preferred roast lasts too
long when used for that so some of it goes in the freezer
after eatinf the roast, otherwise it goes slimy and mouldy
in the fridge before it gets used up on those open samdwiches
and one ot two meals of cold meat with a roast potato and veg.

I have just started using what we call silverside as the source
of the meat for the massive great open sandwiches and given
that I don't care to eat it alone for the main meal, even the
smallest ones from the supermarket do last too long when
just used for the sandwiches and also go slimy and mouldy,
do I cut in half and freeze one half.

I defrost those in the fridge.

> As I see it the options are
> (a) Put it in the fridge. This should cool the contents of the fridge
> and thus reduce the time the motor is running, which will save
> electricity. However it will be at only 6C when taken out of the fridge,
> so will need more electricity to cook in the microwave.

Are you really that poor that that matters ?

> (b) Leave it on the worktop. My problem there is that surely it will
> reduce the temperature of the room, and that might make the heating come
> on. (Unfortunately I cannot have ground source or air-source heating
> because my landlord is a fascist.) My friend Aurelia Weirdly-Blinkes
> (she leads the Concerned Rotherham Residents Against Plastic (CRRAP)
> group says leaving the food on the worktop is the best idea, but I'm not
> convinced. What if the dog gets it? (Of course that is hypothetical in
> my flat because domestic pets are an environmental disaster and should
> be banned outright.)

> I should add that on Aurelia’s wife’s advice — she is very knowledgeable
> — I have set my freezer to a temperature of minus 6C to save electricity
> (and thus the planet!). When the freezer was set to minus 18C the motor
> ran quite a lot.

> Any opinions? Not from Climate Changer Deniers or Tories, obv. — they
> are all nuts.

This whole post of yours is clearly a pathetic excuse for a troll.