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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 12 May 2022 15:55 UTC

Ah, roundabouts – the bane of every cyclist, from professional to commuter, as this video of a driver bizarrely attempting to overtake just before the exit, almost clipping our reader’s front wheel in the process, shows.

(To offer a counterpoint in defence of roundabouts, they do provide commentators – I’m looking at you, Carlton Kirby – with plenty to talk about during long, flat days at grand tours, such as this afternoon’s interminable Giro stage…)

Anyway, back to Eastbourne, where this impatient motorist passes the cyclist from behind as they both enter the roundabout. The driver – seemingly unaware that the cyclist is continuing on in his lane – then immediately cuts back across him to turn off at the first exit, narrowly avoiding a collision.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-miss-day-767-292735

Mark, the road.cc reader who sent us the footage, says he reported the driver to the relevant authorities, who issued the motorist with a cursory advisory letter.

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QUOTE: hirsute | 5563 posts | 17 hours ago
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Post HC change should have had a bit more than a warning given the speed, size, proximity.

Where my wife works, they are supposed to report near misses (and one point had a target !) so that remedial work can be done before it goes wrong. Whereas police and highways wait until something has gone wrong then think about changes and then might wait until there are enough KSIs.ENDS

My point exactly!

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 by: Spike - Fri, 13 May 2022 10:32 UTC

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> QUOTE: hirsute | 5563 posts | 17 hours ago
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> Post HC change should have had a bit more than a warning given the speed, size, proximity.

> Where my wife works, they are supposed to report near misses (and one point had a target !) so that remedial work can be done before it goes wrong. Whereas police and highways wait until something has gone wrong then think about changes and then might wait until there are enough KSIs.ENDS

> My point exactly!

An exact parallel of wearing cycle helmets. Why wait for the KSIs to
build up - act *before* something happens.

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vthejk replied to hirsute | 133 posts | 4 hours ago
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I think the issue is not how useful taking primary is in general, but how useful it as a means of stopping a dangerous maneuvre when the driver is already committing to it.

I've had this numerous times on narrow bottlenecks when the driver chooses to perform a squeezing overtake regardless of the reduced gap and me being dead centre of the lane.

In this instance it seems (speculation, I know) the driver may have proceeded with even smaller a gap had the cyclist been in primary.

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> vthejk replied to hirsute | 133 posts | 4 hours ago
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> I think the issue is not how useful taking primary is in general, but how useful it as a means of stopping a dangerous maneuvre when the driver is already committing to it.

> I've had this numerous times on narrow bottlenecks when the driver chooses to perform a squeezing overtake regardless of the reduced gap and me being dead centre of the lane.

> In this instance it seems (speculation, I know) the driver may have proceeded with even smaller a gap had the cyclist been in primary.

'Primary' has to be the Highway Code's basic rule: keep well to the left.
'Secondary' is the handful of exceptions to that.

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peter53smith replied to essexian | 2 posts | 1 day ago
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I know you're trying to be helpful; but the idea that a cyclist should move further into path of a car in order to make a motorist drive more safely is questionable.

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hirsute replied to peter53smith | 5567 posts | 1 day ago
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So you doubt the efficacy of the primary position ?

Road position on roundabouts is critical for cycle use despite the updated HC.

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> I know you're trying to be helpful; but the idea that a cyclist should move further into path of a car in order to make a motorist drive more safely is questionable.

WELL SAID

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On 14/05/2022 12:18 pm, Spike wrote:

> On 14/05/2022 09:31, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> peter53smith replied to essexian | 2 posts | 1 day ago

>> I know you're trying to be helpful; but the idea that a cyclist should move further into path of a car in order to make a motorist drive more safely is questionable.

> WELL SAID

Tell TMS320.

He recently tried to claim the exact opposite in about fifty consecutive
posts.

And just imagine how such a fairy-cyclist would fare in the witness box
when cross-examined by even a rookie barrister.

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essexian | 74 posts | 1 day ago
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Shocking from the driver but.... if I may be slightly criticial of the cyclist, his lane positioning at the start of the roundabout could have been better, as could his entry onto it when he does move left which may.... and I stress "may".... have been taken by the car driver to mean he was going left. That however doesn't mean the driver should do what they did. I just fear a Police Officer may look at the film and think that the cyclist was in the wrong.

And yes, I have no idea whether the cyclist made any hand signals about their intentions. If I had been them, I certainly would have made a hand signal or two afterwards.

Perhaps I am being over critical, but sometimes you really must take your lane. BUT to stress, the car driver was in the wrong.

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peter53smith replied to essexian | 2 posts | 1 day ago
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I know you're trying to be helpful; but the idea that a cyclist should move further into path of a car in order to make a motorist drive more safely is questionable

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rocksolid light 0.9.7
clearnet tor