On 21/04/2022 14:24, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Belatedly, does anybody fancy a heating FOAK ?

I'm really lucky in that I have a first floor flat twixt two others up
and down.

Downstairs likes to keep their flat very warm (they have serapu doors)
and I get all the benefit of that. I rarely run my CH, except when it is
below zero out there.

The flat maintains about 21 degrees without heating.

I have an electrickery shower and I have jbexed out that it is cheaper
to boil a kettle for washing up, than to run the boiler for HW, even
though the boiler is a brand new condensing type thingy wotsit.

Now if I could get them downstairs to feed me too.............

Tone

Richard Robinson wrote:

> Minimal, yes. It's a small terrace with the downstairs dividing wall
> knocked out & an open stairwell, so I see the house as a single heatable
> space with a lid of insulation. So air-to-air along (I guess) the long
> side of the downstairs wall. Handwaving estimates around the web seem to
> say starting at around £9k.

Depends how much heat you need, but can be much less than £9k, e.g. 6kW of heat
(or cooling) for about 2kW of electrickery.

<https://www.aircondirect.co.uk/p/1031935/18000-btu-smart-a-easy-fit-dc-inverter-wall-split-air-conditioner-with-5-meters-pipe-kit-and-5-years-warranty>

need to get pipejbex between outdoor bit and indoor bit, also condense water
drain need to go somewhere, obvs larger and smaller are available.

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> Minimal, yes. It's a small terrace with the downstairs dividing wall
>> knocked out & an open stairwell, so I see the house as a single heatable
>> space with a lid of insulation. So air-to-air along (I guess) the long
>> side of the downstairs wall. Handwaving estimates around the web seem to
>> say starting at around £9k.
>
> Depends how much heat you need, but can be much less than £9k, e.g. 6kW of heat
> (or cooling) for about 2kW of electrickery.
>
><https://www.aircondirect.co.uk/p/1031935/18000-btu-smart-a-easy-fit-dc-inverter-wall-split-air-conditioner-with-5-meters-pipe-kit-and-5-years-warranty>
>
> need to get pipejbex between outdoor bit and indoor bit, also condense water
> drain need to go somewhere, obvs larger and smaller are available.

.... in spite of which, wow ! An order of magnitude smaller than I'd
seen, even assuming some added extras. Says should be sufficient for a
couple of cu. m. less than I have, my gasfire & ex-stove both rated at
5Kw, so that probably works.

But. The smartmeter (installed in Sept) says I used 8000 Kwh of gas, Oct
through Mar (rounded & taking a bit off for the other gasthing, a 4ring
hob which I've not used much[1]). So, assuming the "More info" number
format is av (min-max) and using the averages, the usage sum would be
( 8000 / 5230 (heating capacity) ) * 1550 (power input) = 2370 Kwh
electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
28.21 / Kwh, call it 32p ?

Which would have come to (waves hands in air) ~£750 for last winter,
compared with the £600 I've paid for gas.

Which is what I was afraid of. But the reduced installation cost makes
it comparable to a solid fule stove, even if the comparison isn't to its
advantage.

Thanks.

[1] Electric pressure cooker. The ultimate lazy cooking. I'm a big fan
(he said, just to offer people the chance of some easy puns)

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

[]
> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
[]

We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an App. for cars at that.
We're gooving of changing to some other supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable energy sources (wind/solar).
--
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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> []
>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
> []
>
> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
> energy sources (wind/solar).
>

We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas they
buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all renewable.
They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit disorganised, though.

--
Peter
-----

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> Minimal, yes. It's a small terrace with the downstairs dividing wall
>> knocked out & an open stairwell, so I see the house as a single heatable
>> space with a lid of insulation. So air-to-air along (I guess) the long
>> side of the downstairs wall. Handwaving estimates around the web seem to
>> say starting at around £9k.
>
> Depends how much heat you need, but can be much less than £9k, e.g. 6kW of heat
> (or cooling) for about 2kW of electrickery.
>
><https://www.aircondirect.co.uk/p/1031935/18000-btu-smart-a-easy-fit-dc-inverter-wall-split-air-conditioner-with-5-meters-pipe-kit-and-5-years-warranty>

So what do the >10*zbarlous systems have that this doesn't ?

> need to get pipejbex between outdoor bit and indoor bit, also condense water
> drain need to go somewhere, obvs larger and smaller are available.
>

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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Richard Robinson wrote:

> Tease'n'Seize said:
>
>> <https://www.aircondirect.co.uk/p/1031935/18000-btu-smart-a-easy-fit-dc-inverter-wall-split-air-conditioner-with-5-meters-pipe-kit-and-5-years-warranty>
>
> So what do the >10*zbarlous systems have that this doesn't ?

They might have a higher efficiency, or be quieter, or longer warranty I
suppose. Also cost of fitting, but really should be half a day for two blokes
with a ladder and a drill ...

>> need to get pipejbex between outdoor bit and indoor bit, also condense water
>> drain need to go somewhere, obvs larger and smaller are available.

You need to check the "sound power" rating vs the distance from neighbours

I think that one (or at least most on that site) come pre-charged with
refrigerant, so could be fitted DIY or by GALMI, no need for a 'ticket' to work
with the gasses

On 22/04/2022 14:22, Tease'n'Seize wrote:

> I think that one (or at least most on that site) come pre-charged with
> refrigerant, so could be fitted DIY or by GALMI, no need for a 'ticket'
> to work with the gasses

Read down to the bottom, and it is only the end units that are
pre-gassed, the pipework is supplied empty, and the instructions state
that the installation *must* be carried out by a person, who is
qualified to work with flourinated refrigerant gases.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> Tease'n'Seize said:
>>
>>> <https://www.aircondirect.co.uk/p/1031935/18000-btu-smart-a-easy-fit-dc-inverter-wall-split-air-conditioner-with-5-meters-pipe-kit-and-5-years-warranty>
>>
>> So what do the >10*zbarlous systems have that this doesn't ?
>
> They might have a higher efficiency, or be quieter, or longer warranty I
> suppose. Also cost of fitting, but really should be half a day for two blokes
> with a ladder and a drill ...
>
>>> need to get pipejbex between outdoor bit and indoor bit, also condense water
>>> drain need to go somewhere, obvs larger and smaller are available.
>
> You need to check the "sound power" rating vs the distance from neighbours

That *is* a point, which I hadn't thought much about. I don't like
background noise. "Ain't it just like the night, when you're trying to be
so quiet", or something. ->52dba. Bit louder than a fridge ? But the
fridge is in the kitchen with a door between ... it's a *fan*, duh. I
suspect the outside bit could be quieter than my neighbours' boilers,
which kick in whenever I go outside.

I'll say this for them, they give more numbers than most.

> I think that one (or at least most on that site) come pre-charged with
> refrigerant, so could be fitted DIY or by GALMI, no need for a 'ticket' to work
> with the gasses

Requires some techylooking qualifications.

But, basically, this has expanded my horizons, it doesn't have to be as
stupidly zbarlous as I'd thought. I still don't trust all these sources
banging on about how they "can" save me zbarl, because they won't,
unless (until ? hrmph. maybe) electricity becomes much cheaper by
comparison.

(And, the grants are to replace a boiler? I haven't got one)

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500 Richard Robinson
> <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> []
>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
> []
>
> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
> energy sources (wind/solar).

Instead of creating more demand for the product ... I hadn't noticed
that. They also seem to have hooked up with some heatpump people who
have a very fluffy and ungrammatical website.

Is it an App that will sort out the (apparent [1]) chaos of different
chargig networks ?

[1] I don't know, I've never used one[1.358], but reading around
(something called Zap-somethng) it looks horrible.

[1.whatsit] There's a scheme round here where you can rent one, I'll
probably get the tuits to go joyriding (allegedly) for a day just to
find out. Eventually. I'm in favour of them, in gurbel, *but* I have no
garage or drive, just a front door onto the pavement, so I'd make
myself v. unpopular if I got one. They're not a general solution.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Richard Robinson wrote:

> Tease'n'Seize said:
>
> I'll say this for them, they give more numbers than most.
>
>> I think that one (or at least most on that site) come pre-charged with
>> refrigerant, so could be fitted DIY or by GALMI, no need for a 'ticket' to work
>> with the gasses
>
> Requires some techylooking qualifications.

Maybe, I gooved I had seen completely pre-gassed units elsewhere that didn't
need F-Gas piece of paper, but shouldn't cost many limbs to get one installed.

> But, basically, this has expanded my horizons, it doesn't have to be as
> stupidly zbarlous as I'd thought. I still don't trust all these sources
> banging on about how they "can" save me zbarl, because they won't,

Once I have a suitable shaped tuit, I'm going to building a house (technically I
have started then $LURGY19) started looking at GSHP, despite having quite a lot
of land, by the time you subtract the unusable bits, not really enough land,
ground might fruzz then no more heat, possible borehole v. zbarly.

Dismissed ASHP at the time and though I'd end up going with an LPG tanque.

Now with energy prices, big rethink, place will already be well insulted with
UFH, probably only double rather than triple glazing, but seems well within ASHP
territory, like the idea that the same pump can do a bit of cooling too for
those handful of days/nights when it would cumminhandi.

> unless (until ? hrmph. maybe) electricity becomes much cheaper by
> comparison.

Once they see that we do manage to pay 0.25zu/unit I doubt it'll ever come back
down to "normal".

> (And, the grants are to replace a boiler? I haven't got one)

That's a rankle here, apparently grants is for replacing old, no longer
available for new-build houses.

Peter said:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
> news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>> []
>>
>> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
>> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
>> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
>> energy sources (wind/solar).
>>
>
> We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas they
> buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all renewable.
> They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit disorganised, though.

Not impressed with the website. I don't need pictures of rainbows and
talk about lifestyle choices, I need to know what they charge. And what I
get is a "find out" button about tariffs which doesn't tell me their
tariffs, just another button to "get a quote" which tells me they're not
processing switches. Which, if they were, would be jumping the gun.

Renewable gas would be a plus, though.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 22/04/2022 17:12, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500 Richard Robinson
>> <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>> []
>>
>> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
>> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
>> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
>> energy sources (wind/solar).
>
> Instead of creating more demand for the product ... I hadn't noticed
> that. They also seem to have hooked up with some heatpump people who
> have a very fluffy and ungrammatical website.
>
> Is it an App that will sort out the (apparent [1]) chaos of different
> chargig networks ?
>
> [1] I don't know, I've never used one[1.358], but reading around
> (something called Zap-somethng) it looks horrible.
>
> [1.whatsit] There's a scheme round here where you can rent one, I'll
> probably get the tuits to go joyriding (allegedly) for a day just to
> find out. Eventually. I'm in favour of them, in gurbel, *but* I have no
> garage or drive, just a front door onto the pavement, so I'd make
> myself v. unpopular if I got one. They're not a general solution.
>
Difficulty in charging without off road parking is the reason I got rid
of my electric car. The guy that bought is has enough room for two, so
that's what he now has.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John Williamson said:
> On 22/04/2022 17:12, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500 Richard Robinson
>>> <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> []
>>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>>> []
>>>
>>> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
>>> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
>>> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
>>> energy sources (wind/solar).
>>
>> Instead of creating more demand for the product ... I hadn't noticed
>> that. They also seem to have hooked up with some heatpump people who
>> have a very fluffy and ungrammatical website.
>>
>> Is it an App that will sort out the (apparent [1]) chaos of different
>> chargig networks ?
>>
>> [1] I don't know, I've never used one[1.358], but reading around
>> (something called Zap-somethng) it looks horrible.
>>
>> [1.whatsit] There's a scheme round here where you can rent one, I'll
>> probably get the tuits to go joyriding (allegedly) for a day just to
>> find out. Eventually. I'm in favour of them, in gurbel, *but* I have no
>> garage or drive, just a front door onto the pavement, so I'd make
>> myself v. unpopular if I got one. They're not a general solution.
>>
> Difficulty in charging without off road parking is the reason I got rid
> of my electric car. The guy that bought is has enough room for two, so
> that's what he now has.

Also, I'm a big fan of hired cars[1] - if something goes wrong, you have
a pbzzrepvny betnavfngvba with an interest in getting it back on the
road. Your own car, you're on your own with it.

[1] given that I don't need one v. often.

[added extra] given also that the cars I owned were decrepit bangers.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
news:mbadnRqTAuWBS___nZ2dnUU7-YfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

> Peter said:
>>
>> We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas
>> they buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all
>> renewable. They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit
>> disorganised, though.
>
> Not impressed with the website. I don't need pictures of rainbows and
> talk about lifestyle choices, I need to know what they charge. And
> what I get is a "find out" button about tariffs which doesn't tell me
> their tariffs, just another button to "get a quote" which tells me
> they're not processing switches.

I had no problem getting their tarrifs when we were seekeing to swap, but
I've just looked at their website and got the same answer as you. I hope
this doesn't mean problems ahead.

>
> Renewable gas would be a plus, though.

Which was the reason we went with them.

--
Peter
-----

Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
news:6qydnbsMcc1kfP__nZ2dnUU7-QudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

>
> Also, I'm a big fan of hired cars[1] - if something goes wrong, you have
> a pbzzrepvny betnavfngvba with an interest in getting it back on the
> road.

So is our son, for simla reasons. He lives in Sheffield where pubic
transport is good (FSVO "good") so normally he doesn't need a car, but if he
does, for visiting Aged Prunts in Hampshire for example, there's a car hire
place a few tram stops away.

--
Peter
-----

Peter said:
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:mbadnRqTAuWBS___nZ2dnUU7-YfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> Peter said:
>>>
>>> We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas
>>> they buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all
>>> renewable. They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit
>>> disorganised, though.
>>
>> Not impressed with the website. I don't need pictures of rainbows and
>> talk about lifestyle choices, I need to know what they charge. And
>> what I get is a "find out" button about tariffs which doesn't tell me
>> their tariffs, just another button to "get a quote" which tells me
>> they're not processing switches.
>
> I had no problem getting their tarrifs when we were seekeing to swap, but
> I've just looked at their website and got the same answer as you. I hope
> this doesn't mean problems ahead.

I'm guessing it means they don't want to deal with all the people left
"homeless" as other suppliers have gone bust.

>> Renewable gas would be a plus, though.
>
> Which was the reason we went with them.

And so I'll bear them in mind, in the vague hope of better later.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Peter said:
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:6qydnbsMcc1kfP__nZ2dnUU7-QudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
>>
>> Also, I'm a big fan of hired cars[1] - if something goes wrong, you have
>> a pbzzrepvny betnavfngvba with an interest in getting it back on the
>> road.
>
> So is our son, for simla reasons. He lives in Sheffield where pubic
> transport is good (FSVO "good") so normally he doesn't need a car, but if he
> does, for visiting Aged Prunts in Hampshire for example, there's a car hire
> place a few tram stops away.

Yes. I can take care of usual business on foot/bus, and Lancaster has
decent train connections, but I have friends around Sutherland, where
there is no longer the post-bus system. Hitching is still doable on The
Little Roads, and nice in its way, but in February when I need to catch
a train at the end of it it'd risk verging on lethal.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 21/04/2022 21:27, Peter wrote:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
> news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>> []
>>
>> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on an
>> App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
>> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
>> energy sources (wind/solar).
>>
>
> We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas they
> buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all renewable.
> They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit disorganised, though.
>

How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
Not a dig at you/them, a real query.

Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from renewable
sources? Or only their domestic supply?

--
Chris Elvidge
England

On 23/04/2022 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:

> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
> Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>
Anaerobic digestion of organic matter gives off methane, AKA natural gas.

The local sewage works where I lived when I were being dragged up made
it, and used it to heat stuff and make electrickery on site. Farms do it
using cow, pig and chicken manure.

> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from renewable
> sources? Or only their domestic supply?
>
If you read the tiny print, what they all do is contract to buy the same
number of units that you pay for from renewable sources. I assume there
is some form of checking going on to make sure they do this. The energy
as delivered to you is obviously the same mix as everyone else's, and
the mix varies according to whatever is available and cheap at the time.
Occasionally, it is 100% renewables, at other times, it is almost all
fossil fuelled. (Think about a calm, cold, night...)

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote in
news:t418ej$r5b$1@dont-email.me:

> On 21/04/2022 21:27, Peter wrote:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>> news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> []
>>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>>> []
>>>
>>> We're not happy that Good Energy seem to be staking the company on
>>> an App. for cars at that. We're gooving of changing to some other
>>> supplier that still invests profits into creating more renewable
>>> energy sources (wind/solar).
>>>
>>
>> We're with GEUK. We're reasonably pleased with them so far - the gas
>> they buy is all from non-fossil sources and the electricity is all
>> renewable. They are not too pricey and are a friendly bunch. Bit
>> disorganised, though.
>>
>
> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of
> gas? Not a dig at you/them, a real query.

Methane from anaerobic digestion of farm waste, sewage sludge, food
industry waste, landfill and so on.

>
> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from
> renewable sources? Or only their domestic supply?

I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
some decent investment.

--
Peter
-----

Chris Elvidge wrote:

> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
> Not a dig at you/them, a real query.

fermented cow penc

On 2022-04-23, Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 21:27, Peter wrote:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>> news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:
>>
>
> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
> Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>
> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from renewable
> sources? Or only their domestic supply?
>

Animal Shi* , feremented grass, and lies.

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

Peter wrote:

> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
> the UK electricty supply was from renewables.

latest uk annual figures from 2020
all figures are million tonnes of oil equivalent

<https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1006380/Energy_flow_chart_2020.pdf>

19.9 gas
18.0 bio
10.7 uk nuclear
8.2 hydro+wind+solar
2.0 coal
1.9 imports (mostly french nuclear?)
========
60.7 total

so bio+hydro+wind+solar = 26.2 / 60.7 = 43%

adjust sums if you want to count french and/or british nuclear as "renewable"

that's only for electrickery generation, not industry, heating, trapsnort etc

On 2022-04-23, Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote in
> news:t418ej$r5b$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 21/04/2022 21:27, Peter wrote:
>>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>>> news:20220421211752.ddfc7c7a5f7ac5ebcd95f77d@127.0.0.1:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:46:42 -0500
>>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> []
>>>>> electricity input, amIrite ? At Good Energy's dual rate, 35.12 and
>>>> []
>
> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
> some decent investment.
>

In the case of the DRAX plants, there are massive amounts of pelleted
timber being shipped from around the world to fuel it. That is one of
the reasons that timber for building has become so expensive. The ships
that are bringing the pellets are fuelled by what?

There are large amounts of taiga forest being harvested in canada for
that, and Taiga takes a long time to grow.

My daughter has solar heating. Works well until the weather gets cold,
then she has to buy wood.

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