Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?

I just ask because I have a Chinese plug that works fine with Australian
outlets, except a recessed-socket Arlec extension lead.

Clifford Heath wrote:
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> Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
> power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?

** Bound to be - mains power plugs and sockets for domestic use must be lab type approved if sold here.

> I just ask because I have a Chinese plug

** FFS what the hell DOES that ever mean ??

It arrived on some POS you bought on Ebay from HK ?

If so, the YOU baby are the fucking importer.

> that works fine with Australian
> outlets, except a recessed-socket Arlec extension lead.

** The Arlec lead would be type approved - can you see the embossed numbers ?

FYI:

China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.
They also manufacture most of our leads and power plugs nowadays for Arlec, Clipsal etc.

Has your " Chinese " plug got any approval codes on it ??

FYI : consists of a letter and a number

S = South Australia, Q = Queensland, V = Victoria , W = Western Australia etc

Then typically a 3 to 5 digit approval number.

..... Phil

On 25/7/21 5:48 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Clifford Heath wrote:
> ======================
>> Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
>> power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?
>
> ** Bound to be - mains power plugs and sockets for domestic use must be lab type approved if sold here.

I know that. I'm asking about the details of what is required for type
approval. Specifically about the geometry of (or requirement for) a
flange, such as the flange on the Arlec socket in my photo.

Photos are in this folder:
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0330rr3xrvngqlq/AAAogHmB4q0mp1kCgLH8IHILa?dl=0>

When is a flange required? When should/must a socket have an equivalent
recess? What are the dimensions of a plug made to fit such a socket?
That's what I'm trying to find out.

>> I just ask because I have a Chinese plug
> ** FFS what the hell DOES that ever mean ??
> It arrived on some POS you bought on Ebay from HK ?

Yes, probably. It's already in the trash. But I was curious because I
hadn't seen one where the pins are offset enough that they don't align
with a recessed or flanged socket, such as the Arlec one above. See
"Non-approved plug" in the photos.

> ** The Arlec lead would be type approved - can you see the embossed numbers ?

I assume that A/11961EA is the approval number.

Is it possible to look up the approval numbers on a .gov.au website, to
see if a fraudulent marking is being used?

> China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.

Interesting. I assumed the reasons might be older than that. Thanks.

> They also manufacture most of our leads and power plugs nowadays for Arlec, Clipsal etc.
> Has your " Chinese " plug got any approval codes on it ??

I actually don't care. It probably doesn't have enough copper in it
anyway. I just want to know whether the geometry they used is
non-compliant with some standard, and what that standard is.

If you don't know, you don't have to answer. Someone here will know.

> FYI : consists of a letter and a number
> S = South Australia, Q = Queensland, V = Victoria , W = Western Australia etc
> Then typically a 3 to 5 digit approval number.

The Longwell lead was sold as type-approved. I assume N/12555 is a NSW
approval. Note that the power pins are further from the circumference
than the crappy plug.

CH.

On 25/07/2021 17:21, Clifford Heath wrote:
> Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
> power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?

AS/NZS3112 gives the dimensions and some other requirements for recessed
sockets and plugs to fit them, but I don't think it specifies under
which circumstances recessed sockets are required.

On 25/07/2021 17:48, Phil Allison wrote:
> Clifford Heath wrote:
> ======================
>> Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
>> power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?
>
> ** Bound to be - mains power plugs and sockets for domestic use must be lab type approved if sold here.
>
>> I just ask because I have a Chinese plug
>
> ** FFS what the hell DOES that ever mean ??
>
> It arrived on some POS you bought on Ebay from HK ?
>
> If so, the YOU baby are the fucking importer.
>
>
>> that works fine with Australian
>> outlets, except a recessed-socket Arlec extension lead.
>
> ** The Arlec lead would be type approved - can you see the embossed numbers ?
>
> FYI:
>
> China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.

Many that I have seen are not the same dimensions as ours - for example
the earth pin isn't longer than the other two. Since I have seen several
wrong in the same way, I suspect that their standard is different,
though it is also possible that the plugs did not comply with the
Chinese standard either. Usually they also lack sleeved pins.

Clifford Heath = Fucking Arsehole wrote:
==============================
>
> >> Is there a standard or regulation applying to the geometry of recessed
> >> power sockets, or a regulation requiring them?
> >
> > ** Bound to be - mains power plugs and sockets for domestic use must be lab type approved if sold here.
>
> I know that. I'm asking about the details of what is required for type
> approval.

** Nothing like what you posted originally - arsehole.

> Specifically about the geometry of (or requirement for) a
> flange, such as the flange on the Arlec socket in my photo.
> When is a flange required? When should/must a socket have an equivalent
> recess? What are the dimensions of a plug made to fit such a socket?
> That's what I'm trying to find out.

** Not a word about any of that in what you posted originally.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> I just ask because I have a Chinese plug

> > ** FFS what the hell DOES that ever mean ??
> > It arrived on some POS you bought on Ebay from HK ?

> Yes, probably.

** FFS idiot -

Aussie standards do NOT apply to items made to be sold IN CHINA !

> Is it possible to look up the approval numbers on a .gov.au website, to
> see if a fraudulent marking is being used?

** Huh ? Mad idea.

> > China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.

> Interesting. I assumed the reasons might be older than that.

** Huh ?

> > They also manufacture most of our leads and power plugs nowadays for Arlec, Clipsal etc.
> > Has your " Chinese " plug got any approval codes on it ??

> I actually don't care.

** Fuck off you rude, ignorant prick.

> If you don't know, you don't have to answer.

** Fuck you.

> > FYI : consists of a letter and a number
> > S = South Australia, Q = Queensland, V = Victoria , W = Western Australia etc
> > Then typically a 3 to 5 digit approval number.

> The Longwell lead was sold as type-approved.

** SOLD WHERE ?????????

You are one bloody annoying IDIOT !!

> I assume N/12555 is a NSW approval.

** Looks like one.

FYI
I did try once to track such a number to the owner.
The officer I spoke to at the approval authority in NSW refused to tell me over the phone.
Big secret, only given out on a need to know basis.

..... Phil

Chris Jones wrote:
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> > China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.
>
> Many that I have seen are not the same dimensions as ours - for example
> the earth pin isn't longer than the other two. Since I have seen several
> wrong in the same way, I suspect that their standard is different,
> though it is also possible that the plugs did not comply with the
> Chinese standard either. Usually they also lack sleeved pins.
>
** Close enough to work, but not legal to sell here.

Chinese dodgyness at its best.

....... Phil

On 26/07/2021 6:33 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> =================
>>> China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.
>>
>> Many that I have seen are not the same dimensions as ours - for example
>> the earth pin isn't longer than the other two. Since I have seen several
>> wrong in the same way, I suspect that their standard is different,
>> though it is also possible that the plugs did not comply with the
>> Chinese standard either. Usually they also lack sleeved pins.
>>
> ** Close enough to work, but not legal to sell here.
>
> Chinese dodgyness at its best.
>
> ...... Phil
>

Do the Chinese manufacturers actually have standards other than demand ??

Rheilly Phoull wrote:
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>>> China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.
> >>
> >> Many that I have seen are not the same dimensions as ours - for example
> >> the earth pin isn't longer than the other two. Since I have seen several
> >> wrong in the same way, I suspect that their standard is different,
> >> though it is also possible that the plugs did not comply with the
> >> Chinese standard either. Usually they also lack sleeved pins.
> >>
> > ** Close enough to work, but not legal to sell here.
> >
> > Chinese dodgyness at its best.
> >
> > ...... Phil
> >
> Do the Chinese manufacturers actually have standards other than demand ??
>

** It works like this:

1. Standard is variable: customer sets standard.
2. He want just cheap - he get cheap - but not so good.
3. All responsibility lie with customer.
4. Once leave China we never see again.
5. No want to see again either.
6. Goodbye.

...... Phil

Phil,

I'm sorry you're so miserably deranged that you have to pick a random
stranger off the internet to abuse. Especially one who knows where you
live. I normally try not to laugh at mental health issues, but you are
testing my resolve.

Get help.

On 26/07/2021 9:20 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Rheilly Phoull wrote:
> =================
>
>>>> China adopted ( ie copied) the Aussie power plug and socket dimensions decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> Many that I have seen are not the same dimensions as ours - for example
>>>> the earth pin isn't longer than the other two. Since I have seen several
>>>> wrong in the same way, I suspect that their standard is different,
>>>> though it is also possible that the plugs did not comply with the
>>>> Chinese standard either. Usually they also lack sleeved pins.
>>>>
>>> ** Close enough to work, but not legal to sell here.
>>>
>>> Chinese dodgyness at its best.
>>>
>>> ...... Phil
>>>
>> Do the Chinese manufacturers actually have standards other than demand ??
>>
>
> ** It works like this:
>
> 1. Standard is variable: customer sets standard.
> 2. He want just cheap - he get cheap - but not so good.
> 3. All responsibility lie with customer.
> 4. Once leave China we never see again.
> 5. No want to see again either.
> 6. Goodbye.
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>
>
Hmmm, good minds think alike ;)