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* Freedom!Krusty
+* Freedom!YTC#1
|`* Freedom!Dave Brown
| `- Freedom!YTC#1
+- Freedom!jeremy
+- Freedom!Ace
+- Freedom!Boxerboy
+- Freedom!GeoffC
+- Freedom!Stephen Packer
`* Freedom!Gyp
 `* Freedom!sweller
  `* Freedom!Champ
   `* Freedom!sweller
    +* Freedom!Champ
    |`* Freedom!sweller
    | +* Freedom!Dave Brown
    | |`- Freedom!sweller
    | +* Freedom!Champ
    | |+- Freedom!ChrisND @UKRM
    | |`- Freedom!Ben Blaney
    | `* Freedom!Boots
    |  +- Freedom!wessie
    |  `- Freedom!Mike Fleming
    +- Freedom!siwilson
    `* Freedom!Mike Fleming
     +- Freedom!YTC#1
     `- Freedom!Bruce Horrocks

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Freedom!

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 by: Krusty - Tue, 31 May 2022 13:14 UTC

I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
SUPs, & the Grom. I don't do usenet when I'm away (or much at all these
days), so I'm expecting to come back to at least 27 unread messages.

Hope to see some of you at the lake in Italy next month, & maybe some
others along the way[2].

[1] I have a six month contract starting tomorrow, which allows me to
work as much or as little as I like. I'm not intending to do more than
one or two days a month though, so I'm still calling it retirement.

[2] Waves at Ace.

--
Krusty

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 by: YTC#1 - Tue, 31 May 2022 14:25 UTC

On 31/05/2022 14:14, Krusty wrote:
> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for

Nice one.
> [1] I have a six month contract starting tomorrow, which allows me to
> work as much or as little as I like. I'm not intending to do more than
> one or two days a month though, so I'm still calling it retirement.
>

semi

> [2] Waves at Ace.
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: jeremy - Tue, 31 May 2022 18:46 UTC

On 31 May 2022 at 14:14:58 BST, ""Krusty"" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

> I'm now officially retired[1]

Congratulations and welcome to the club!

--
jeremy

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 by: Ace - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 08:07 UTC

On Tue, 31 May 2022 13:14:58 -0000 (UTC), "Krusty"
<dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>I'm now officially retired[1],

Conga rats and all that.

>& we're heading off in a few days for
>three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
>SUPs, & the Grom. I don't do usenet when I'm away (or much at all these
>days), so I'm expecting to come back to at least 27 unread messages.

Hah.

>Hope to see some of you at the lake in Italy next month, & maybe some
>others along the way[2].

>[2] Waves at Ace.

Cool. Tour de France is going past our house next month, if you're
interested.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: Boxerboy - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 09:04 UTC

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:14:59 PM UTC+1, Krusty wrote:
> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
> three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
> SUPs, & the Grom.

Congratulations - Hope you have as much fun as I am having

Boxerboy

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 by: Dave Brown - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 09:23 UTC

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:25:37 PM UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 31/05/2022 14:14, Krusty wrote:
> > I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
> Nice one.
> > [1] I have a six month contract starting tomorrow, which allows me to
> > work as much or as little as I like. I'm not intending to do more than
> > one or two days a month though, so I'm still calling it retirement.
> >
> semi

Really ? Too much information.... I obviously didn't find this statement as half as exciting as you did !

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 by: GeoffC - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 12:57 UTC

Krusty wrote:

> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
> three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
> SUPs, & the Grom. I don't do usenet when I'm away (or much at all
> these days), so I'm expecting to come back to at least 27 unread
> messages.
>
> Hope to see some of you at the lake in Italy next month, & maybe some
> others along the way[2].
>
> [1] I have a six month contract starting tomorrow, which allows me to
> work as much or as little as I like. I'm not intending to do more than
> one or two days a month though, so I'm still calling it retirement.
>
> [2] Waves at Ace.

Sounds like a good trip. I reckon it takes about 3 weeks to get used to
things, then the trip really starts! I like the lakes in N. Italy but
can get a bit oppressive (weather and people). The lakes in S.Austria
are also very pleasant IMO.
Happy Travels :-)

--
Geoff

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 by: Stephen Packer - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:32 UTC

On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 14:14:59 UTC+1, Krusty wrote:
> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
> three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
> SUPs, & the Grom. I don't do usenet when I'm away (or much at all these
> days), so I'm expecting to come back to at least 27 unread messages.
>
> Hope to see some of you at the lake in Italy next month, & maybe some
> others along the way[2].

Enjoy. It took me a little time to get used to it and adapt to not having
the daily grind or work bullshit to deal with.

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 by: Gyp - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:49 UTC

On 31/05/2022 14:14, Krusty wrote:
> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
> three months of travelling, armed with surfboards, windsurfboards,
> SUPs, & the Grom. I don't do usenet when I'm away (or much at all these
> days), so I'm expecting to come back to at least 27 unread messages.
>

Blimey; at this rate it'll only be the young 'uns like Ogden and me that
are still working.

Enjoy!

--
Gyp

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 by: YTC#1 - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:05 UTC

On 01/06/2022 10:23, Dave Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:25:37 PM UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 31/05/2022 14:14, Krusty wrote:
>>> I'm now officially retired[1], & we're heading off in a few days for
>> Nice one.
>>> [1] I have a six month contract starting tomorrow, which allows me to
>>> work as much or as little as I like. I'm not intending to do more than
>>> one or two days a month though, so I'm still calling it retirement.
>>>
>> semi
>
> Really ? Too much information.... I obviously didn't find this statement as half as exciting as you did !

I expected more bites than that :-)

I was of course alluding to him being semi-retired.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: sweller - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 05:24 UTC

Gyp wrote:

> Blimey; at this rate it'll only be the young 'uns like Ogden and me
> that are still working.

I can't see me retiring for some time.

--
Simon

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 by: Champ - Tue, 7 Jun 2022 15:07 UTC

On 4 Jun 2022 05:24:00 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Gyp wrote:
>
>> Blimey; at this rate it'll only be the young 'uns like Ogden and me
>> that are still working.

>I can't see me retiring for some time.

Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: sweller - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 09:15 UTC

Champ wrote:

> > I can't see me retiring for some time.
>
> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?

I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
on pre pandemic footfall.

The real question is where are we with season tickets..?

--
Simon

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 by: Champ - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 09:55 UTC

On 8 Jun 2022 09:15:39 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>> > I can't see me retiring for some time.
>>
>> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
>
>I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
>on pre pandemic footfall.

I assume from your pov this is a good thing

>The real question is where are we with season tickets..?

Is this one of those rhetorical questions? Because I definitely can't
help answer it
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: sweller - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:13 UTC

Champ wrote:

> > I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to
> > 90% on pre pandemic footfall.
>
> I assume from your pov this is a good thing

Yes.


> > The real question is where are we with season tickets..?
>
> Is this one of those rhetorical questions? Because I definitely can't
> help answer it

The funding model for the railway - essentially long distance and
commuting - has been slow to recover from the pandemic. The long
distance has come back but the commuting is, shall we say, interesting.

Unsurprisingly, the traditional 9-5 M-F has changed with newer more
fleixble approaches by many employers (the haunted pencil's war on
"Woking from Home" looks a bit insane).

Although the footfall now looks normalish at 92%ish (it has actually
increased on pre pandemic on weekends) it's not consistent across the
week M-F.

Season tickets haven't recovered. They're running at about 43%.

The season tickets are what we should be looking at. Unfortunately
neither the DfT or the wider industry has a clue as to what they should
replace them with.

--
Simon

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 by: Dave Brown - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:09 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:14:02 PM UTC+1, sweller wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
> > > I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to
> > > 90% on pre pandemic footfall.
> >
> > I assume from your pov this is a good thing
> Yes.
> > > The real question is where are we with season tickets..?
> >
> > Is this one of those rhetorical questions? Because I definitely can't
> > help answer it
> The funding model for the railway - essentially long distance and
> commuting - has been slow to recover from the pandemic. The long
> distance has come back but the commuting is, shall we say, interesting.
>
> Unsurprisingly, the traditional 9-5 M-F has changed with newer more
> fleixble approaches by many employers (the haunted pencil's war on
> "Woking from Home" looks a bit insane).

Lovely if intentional, still lovely if not....

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 by: sweller - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:32 UTC

Dave Brown wrote:

> > (the haunted pencil's war on "Woking from Home" looks a bit
insane).
>
> Lovely if intentional, still lovely if not....

It's a quote - I think JRM actually coined it.

--
Simon

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 by: siwilson - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:30 UTC

On 08/06/2022 10:15, sweller wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
>>> I can't see me retiring for some time.
>>
>> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
>
> I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
> on pre pandemic footfall.
>
> The real question is where are we with season tickets..?
>

Keep going... my project is still aliiiiiive.

--
/Simon

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 by: Champ - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 17:48 UTC

On 8 Jun 2022 11:13:59 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The season tickets are what we should be looking at. Unfortunately
>neither the DfT or the wider industry has a clue as to what they should
>replace them with.

Ooh, ooh - I know this one!

Is it "a properly subsidised railway system, which reduces vehicle
journeys (and the concommitant emmisions and acciden rates), like the
rest of Europe has"?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Mike Fleming - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 23:11 UTC

On 08/06/2022 10:15, sweller wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
>>> I can't see me retiring for some time.
>>
>> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
>
> I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
> on pre pandemic footfall.

Or are we? There's an interesting article on that in Private Eye. With
tickets sold by one train firm for that firm only, which are used on
another train firm because the passenger didn't realise the restriction,
the passenger then has to buy a second valid ticket which double-counts
the journey. As "anytime" tickets for 15 times as much as the cheapest
advance ones, it can be cheaper to book advance tickets for more than
one train, turning one journey into two or more. There's also
split-ticketing systems, where buying tickets for sequential short
journeys (often on the same train) saves money. This then appears as
several short journeys, downplaying the demand for longer trips and
direct trains, and overstating the use that some stations have.

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 by: Boots - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 23:18 UTC

On 08/06/2022 19:13 sweller penned these words:
> (the haunted pencil's war on
> "Woking from Home" looks a bit insane)

L's son works for Dept. Business, Innovation and Skills I thik they've had some
of those billet-douxs from JRM, as he said to me they've been encouraged to WFH
at least 2 days a week from before the plague years, there's only enough
seating/desks for 1/4 of the staff at anyone time.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

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 by: YTC#1 - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 08:34 UTC

On 09/06/2022 00:11, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/06/2022 10:15, sweller wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>
>>>> I can't see me retiring for some time.
>>>
>>> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
>>
>> I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
>> on pre pandemic footfall.
>
> Or are we? There's an interesting article on that in Private Eye. With
> tickets sold by one train firm for that firm only, which are used on
> another train firm because the passenger didn't realise the restriction,
> the passenger then has to buy a second valid ticket which double-counts
> the journey.

From experience the conductor just charges the difference.

--
Bruce Porter
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 by: wessie - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:03 UTC

Boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:ean7ni-jgf.ln1@bilbo.eternal-september.org:

> On 08/06/2022 19:13 sweller penned these words:
>> (the haunted pencil's war on
>> "Woking from Home" looks a bit insane)
>
> L's son works for Dept. Business, Innovation and Skills I thik they've
> had some of those billet-douxs from JRM, as he said to me they've been
> encouraged to WFH at least 2 days a week from before the plague years,
> there's only enough seating/desks for 1/4 of the staff at anyone time.
>

Same with my county council employer. As they upgrade the desk hardware to
have laptop docking bars rather than thin clients, the number of desks is
reducing. The ground floor office where I had a permanent desk has been
repurposed with accessible meeting rooms and other parts of the Shire Hall
complex has been split up into meeting rooms of various sizes. My small
team of 7 largely works from home with maybe 3 face to face meetings a
month. Yesterday was the first day since 2019 that I did a 9-5 in the
office.

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 by: ChrisND @UKRM - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:34 UTC

On 08/06/2022 18:48, Champ wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2022 11:13:59 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> The season tickets are what we should be looking at. Unfortunately
>> neither the DfT or the wider industry has a clue as to what they should
>> replace them with.
>
> Ooh, ooh - I know this one!
>
> Is it "a properly subsidised railway system, which reduces vehicle
> journeys (and the concommitant emmisions and acciden rates), like the
> rest of Europe has"?

Ding!

Chris

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 by: Bruce Horrocks - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 21:40 UTC

On 09/06/2022 00:11, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/06/2022 10:15, sweller wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>
>>>> I can't see me retiring for some time.
>>>
>>> Still a way to go until the downfall of global capitalism?
>>
>> I think the railway will collapse first - although we're back up to 90%
>> on pre pandemic footfall.
>
> Or are we?
[snip]

As far as I'm concerned it's back to normal: the overground into
Waterloo was standing room only this morning and the Jubilee line trains
were so packed only a handful were able to get on at each set of doors
and I had to let two trains go by before I was able to get on.

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