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* DustedTone
+* DustedDon Stockbauer
|`* DustedTone
| `* DustedRustyHinge
|  `* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
|   `* Dustednev young
|    `- DustedSam Plusnet
+* Dustedsoup
|+* DustedRustyHinge
||+- DustedPeter
||`- Dustedsoup
|+* DustedTone
||+- Dustedsoup
||`* Dustednev young
|| `* Dustedsoup
||  `* Dustednev young
||   `* Dustedsoup
||    +* Dustedsoup
||    |`* DustedSam Plusnet
||    | `* Dustedsoup
||    |  +* DustedNick Odell
||    |  |`* DustedTease'n'Seize
||    |  | +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||    |  | `- DustedChrisND@privacy.net
||    |  `* DustedSam Plusnet
||    |   `- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||    +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||    `- DustedNicholas D. Richards
|+* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||`* Dustedsoup
|| +* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
|| |`* DustedDon Stockbauer
|| | `* DustedTone
|| |  `* DustedNick Odell
|| |   `- DustedTone
|| `* DustedJohn Williamson
||  +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||  +* Dustedmaus
||  |`- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||  `* Dustedsoup
||   +* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||   |`- DustedJohn Williamson
||   `* DustedSam Plusnet
||    +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||    `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     +* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |`* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     | `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |  `* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   +* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   |`* DustedKerr-Mudd, John
||     |   | +* DustedPeter
||     |   | |+* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | ||`* DustedPeter
||     |   | || `- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | |`* DustedChris Elvidge
||     |   | | +- DustedJohn Williamson
||     |   | | +* DustedPeter
||     |   | | |+- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | |+* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||`* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | || +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||     |   | | || `* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||  `* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | ||   `* DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | | ||    `* DustedKerr-Mudd, John
||     |   | | ||     +* DustedPeter
||     |   | | ||     |`* DustedKerr-Mudd, John
||     |   | | ||     | `- DustedThe Nomad
||     |   | | ||     +* DustedAndrew Marshall
||     |   | | ||     |+* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||     |   | | ||     ||+* DustedAndrew Marshall
||     |   | | ||     |||+* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | ||     ||||+* DustedAndrew Marshall
||     |   | | ||     |||||`* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | ||     ||||| +* DustedDon Stockbauer
||     |   | | ||     ||||| |`- Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||     ||||| `* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||     |||||  +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | ||     |||||  `* DustedNicholas D. Richards
||     |   | | ||     |||||   `* DustedPeter
||     |   | | ||     |||||    +* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     |||||    |`* DustedPeter
||     |   | | ||     |||||    | `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     |||||    |  `- DustedPeter
||     |   | | ||     |||||    +* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||     |||||    |`- DustedNicholas D. Richards
||     |   | | ||     |||||    `- DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | | ||     ||||+* DustedNicholas D. Richards
||     |   | | ||     |||||`- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     ||||`- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||     |   | | ||     |||`- DustedBernard Peek
||     |   | | ||     ||+- DustedMike Spencer
||     |   | | ||     ||`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     || `- DustedDon Stockbauer
||     |   | | ||     |`- DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | | ||     `- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | |`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | | +* DustedJohn Williamson
||     |   | | | |+* DustedChrisND@privacy.net
||     |   | | | ||`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | | |`* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | | `* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | +- Dustedmaus
||     |   | | `* DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     `- DustedTone
|`- Dustedmaus
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Re: Dusted

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From: nicho...@salmiron.com (Nicholas D. Richards)
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:18 UTC

In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 17:00:04 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-04-25, Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:21:47 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>><news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On 25/04/2022 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:53:45 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>>>> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Absolutely. "Let's fabricate a 'study' that gives the results we want",
>>>>> innit.
>>>> When I'm next in touch with my friend in the British Geological Survey
>>>> I'll have to ask whether the instruction to re-examine the case for
>>>> fracking in the UK comprises a conclusion and a requirement for the
>>>> study to reach the same.
>>>
>>>I'd hope that any studies wouldn't lean in either direction, but would
>>>just focus on the facts as best they are known. IMO it's too important
>>>to get wrong.
>>
>> Knowing them as I think I do, I'm saying that with my tongue firmly in
>> my cheek.
>>
>> Nick
>
>First time I heard of what is now called fracking was about oil
>exploration in Indonesia back in the 1960, by multinational oil
>companys. Drill a hole into the earth when the first of the oil runs
>out, use a special drill to fracture the rock all around the original
>hole to give up any oil or gas.
>
>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in upstate
>New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they turn on their
>water taps in the morning.
>
Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that there
is a gush of gas from water taps?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Re: Dusted

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 by: maus - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:34 UTC

On 2022-04-25, Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:00:48 AM UTC-5, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:21:47 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>> <ne...@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >On 25/04/2022 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:53:45 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>> >> <ne...@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>> Absolutely. "Let's fabricate a 'study' that gives the results we want",
>> >>> innit.
>> >> When I'm next in touch with my friend in the British Geological Survey
>> >> I'll have to ask whether the instruction to re-examine the case for
>> >> fracking in the UK comprises a conclusion and a requirement for the
>> >> study to reach the same.
>> >
>> >I'd hope that any studies wouldn't lean in either direction, but would
>> >just focus on the facts as best they are known. IMO it's too important
>> >to get wrong.
>> Knowing them as I think I do, I'm saying that with my tongue firmly in
>> my cheek.
>>
>> Nick
>
> We had trouble here in Texas with Billy Sol Estes'
> wells leaning in particular directions off vertical.

That's a name from the far past. I thought he was involved in vegetable
oil?

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

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 by: Mike Spencer - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:11 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:29:27 +0100
> Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> MTAAW. It seems that any stock images will do, however vaguely relevant
>> - just pile 'em in. A boodly waste of space and time IMO. A
>> straightforward written article is usually far more to the point.

Over the last ca. 6 years, I've read thousands of text squibs/articles
about the increasingly dementd snakepit of Leftpondian politics. More
than half (guesswork) were intended to include stock images of the
Orange Berk. But as I run my browser with images disabled, that's
thousands of metastatic brain invasions I've avoided. No brain bleach
is enough to erase the pathological effect of having looked, however
briefly, at thousands of images of the OB.

> Bbbuttt studies show that adding an image adds X% to the readership,
> effects add Y% and video and amazing Z%.

"Enagement". Anything that "engages" the viewer is good for the
industry that mediates (what now passes for) information.

> Of course in the studies the images and videos were relevant,
> attached to interesting articles and the effects accentuated the
> point while the plain text articles were tediously uninteresting
> space filler waffle.

I surmise (having avoided looking at a vast majority but not absolutely
all of them) that most of the stock/boilerplate images and videos are
also "tediously uninteresting space filler waffle."

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:17 UTC

On 25-Apr-22 9:29, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 09:01, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:09:28 +0100
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> News articles (which _must_ include a video obviously!) are illustrated
>>> with a series of (quite often irrelevant) still photos - with slow
>>> zoom-in/out or some other image manipulation.  The aim seems to be to
>>> maximise the bandwidth used and to detract attention from the text.
>>
>> This bugs me too.
>
> MTAAW. It seems that any stock images will do, however vaguely relevant
> - just pile 'em in. A boodly waste of space and time IMO. A
> straightforward written article is usually far more to the point.
>

"Concise and pertinent? - for glod's sake avoid that at all costs or
there's no place for you on this website!"

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Peter - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:36 UTC

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
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> In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
> Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 17:00:04 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
> wrote
>>On 2022-04-25, Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:21:47 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>>><news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 25/04/2022 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:53:45 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>>>>> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Absolutely. "Let's fabricate a 'study' that gives the results we
>>>>>> want", innit.
>>>>> When I'm next in touch with my friend in the British Geological
>>>>> Survey I'll have to ask whether the instruction to re-examine the
>>>>> case for fracking in the UK comprises a conclusion and a
>>>>> requirement for the study to reach the same.
>>>>
>>>>I'd hope that any studies wouldn't lean in either direction, but
>>>>would just focus on the facts as best they are known. IMO it's too
>>>>important to get wrong.
>>>
>>> Knowing them as I think I do, I'm saying that with my tongue firmly
>>> in my cheek.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>>First time I heard of what is now called fracking was about oil
>>exploration in Indonesia back in the 1960, by multinational oil
>>companys. Drill a hole into the earth when the first of the oil runs
>>out, use a special drill to fracture the rock all around the original
>>hole to give up any oil or gas.
>>
>>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in upstate
>>New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they turn on
>>their water taps in the morning.
>>
> Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that
> there is a gush of gas from water taps?

I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the Fylde, some
decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water main and accumulated
in the pumping station until it reached the explosive limit.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:11 UTC

Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:09:28 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24-Apr-22 12:27, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>> > I don't normally watch that sort of video: partly because 25 minutes
>> > of viewing time could be much better expressed in an article with 5
>> > minutes reading time.
>>
>> The story of our time.
>> News articles (which _must_ include a video obviously!) are illustrated
>> with a series of (quite often irrelevant) still photos - with slow
>> zoom-in/out or some other image manipulation. The aim seems to be to
>> maximise the bandwidth used and to detract attention from the text.
>
> This bugs me too.

And me.

Each frame of a video is not often worth a thousand words.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:12 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:29:27 +0100
> Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 25/04/2022 09:01, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> > On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:09:28 +0100
>> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> >> News articles (which _must_ include a video obviously!) are illustrated
>> >> with a series of (quite often irrelevant) still photos - with slow
>> >> zoom-in/out or some other image manipulation. The aim seems to be to
>> >> maximise the bandwidth used and to detract attention from the text.
>> >
>> > This bugs me too.
>>
>> MTAAW. It seems that any stock images will do, however vaguely relevant
>> - just pile 'em in. A boodly waste of space and time IMO. A
>> straightforward written article is usually far more to the point.
>
> Bbbuttt studies show that adding an image adds X% to the readership,
> effects add Y% and video and amazing Z%.

This would be the Daily Mash's "Institute for Studies" ?

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:16 UTC

Peter said:
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>> In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>>>
>>>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in upstate
>>>New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they turn on
>>>their water taps in the morning.
>>>
>> Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that
>> there is a gush of gas from water taps?
>
> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the Fylde, some
> decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water main and accumulated
> in the pumping station until it reached the explosive limit.

Narsty.

Where did the methane come from ?

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:18 UTC

Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <gmsc6hl0fhknjtm2l0a6ecgtpu8ikq8n27@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:53:45 +0100, Andrew Marshall
>>>On 25/04/2022 10:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> MTAAW. It seems that any stock images will do, however vaguely relevant
>>>>> - just pile 'em in. A straightforward written article is usually far more to
>>the point.
>>>
>>>> Bbbuttt studies show that adding an image adds X% to the readership,
>>>> effects add Y% and video and amazing Z%.
>>>
>>>Not to my readership, thobut.
>>>
>>>> Of course in the studies the images and videos were relevant,
>>>> attached to interesting articles and the effects accentuated the point while
>>>> the plain text articles were tediously uninteresting space filler waffle.
>>>
>>>Absolutely. "Let's fabricate a 'study' that gives the results we want",
>>>innit.
>>
>>When I'm next in touch with my friend in the British Geological Survey
>>I'll have to ask whether the instruction to re-examine the case for
>>fracking in the UK comprises a conclusion and a requirement for the
>>study to reach the same.
>>
> There is also the option of picking the 'expert'/judge/panel member. If
> you choose 'wisely' you will get the answer you want, often in direct
> contradiction to evidence that has been given publicly. To my mind The
> Hutton enquiry is a case in point. The establishment does not need to
> issue instructions, the appointee knows what the conclusion is to be.

For values of "establishment" that include "appointee".

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:29 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:49:37 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> writes:
>
> > Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> >
> >> Bbbuttt studies show that adding an image adds X% to the readership,
> >> effects add Y% and video and amazing Z%.
> >
> > This would be the Daily Mash's "Institute for Studies" ?
> Or the Scotia Centre for Advanced Media Studies?
> --
> Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

I thought Billy Sol Estes was involved in slant oil well drilling ,that is ,drilling on the slant to get your neighbor's oil but wiki doesn't even mention that and mentions all kind of other shenanigans. It also doesn't mention a cooking oil scandal.

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 by: Peter - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:50 UTC

Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
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> Peter said:
>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>>> In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org>
>>> on
>>>>
>>>>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in
>>>>upstate New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they
>>>>turn on their water taps in the morning.
>>>>
>>> Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that
>>> there is a gush of gas from water taps?
>>
>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the
>> Fylde, some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water
>> main and accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the
>> explosive limit.
>
> Narsty.
>
> Where did the methane come from ?
>

Coal deposits, apparently. There's an account of it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeystead_disaster

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 by: Richard Robinson - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:58 UTC

Peter said:
> Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote in
>>
>> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
>> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from
>> renewable sources? Or only their domestic supply?
>
> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
> some decent investment.

I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on getting
'tidal' working, for base load.

If it is a commitment, of course, given the way this lot change their
minds.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:11 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>
>> > How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
>> > Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>>
>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order to
>> make more gas?
>
> Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the process.

With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
numbers).

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 by: Richard Robinson - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:12 UTC

Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>
>> > How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
>> > Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>>
>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order to
>> make more gas?
>>
> Most stuff is renewable, given enough time and no e.g. humans chopping down the rainforests in the meantime. I expect there will be some more coal measures in 100 million years. Just be patient.

That's what I told people when I was burning peat.

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 by: Richard Robinson - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:17 UTC

Peter said:
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
>> Peter said:
>>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>>>> In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in
>>>>>upstate New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they
>>>>>turn on their water taps in the morning.
>>>>>
>>>> Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that
>>>> there is a gush of gas from water taps?
>>>
>>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the
>>> Fylde, some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water
>>> main and accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the
>>> explosive limit.
>>
>> Narsty.
>>
>> Where did the methane come from ?
>
> Coal deposits, apparently. There's an account of it here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeystead_disaster

! Just up the hill.

Thanks.

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On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Peter said:

>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
>> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
>> some decent investment.
>
> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on getting
> 'tidal' working, for base load.
>
The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be made
available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is predictable,
it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting their factory
shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for base load un
less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.

The French system is 80% nuclear, which more than covers their base
load, and which gives them enough spare from other sources to be able to
export large amounts of electricity to nearby, fossil fuelled countries.

Up to 5% of our current electricity consumption comes from nuclear power
in France via the interconnectors. We also sell some of our rare
surpluses to the French, as their peaks in demand are an hour ahead of ours.

> If it is a commitment, of course, given the way this lot change their
> minds.
>
It is this week's commitment. Next week, who knows?

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Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: ChrisND@privacy.net - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:28 UTC

On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Peter said:
>
>>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over
>>> 50% of
>>> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more
>>> with
>>> some decent investment.
>>
>> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on getting
>> 'tidal' working, for base load.
>>
> The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be made
> available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is predictable,
> it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting their factory
> shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for base load un
> less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.

Something called the national grid should be able to sort out the
regional variations/timings in tidal flow :-)

> The French system is 80% nuclear, which more than covers their base
> load, and which gives them enough spare from other sources to be able to
> export large amounts of electricity to nearby, fossil fuelled countries.

...and makes them* a target for Russian** missiles :-/

Chris

*or any other country with nuclear power
**other aggressive 'influencers' are available

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:15 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:11:35 -0500
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> > On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> >>
> >> > How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of
> >> > gas? Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
> >>
> >> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
> >> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order to
> >> make more gas?
> >
> > Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the
> > process.
>
> With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
> numbers).

The benefit from this cycle apparently comes from replacing the
methane emissions with CO2 emissions which are less of a promble. I can't
help thinking that adoption by farmers would be accelerated by purnc
methane conversions for quads and tractors along with a purnc methane
collection system for the slurry pit. Add in a grant and they'll be
queueueueing up for it.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Bernard Peek - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:07 UTC

On 2022-04-25, Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 10:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:29:27 +0100
>> Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>>> MTAAW. It seems that any stock images will do, however vaguely relevant
>>> - just pile 'em in. A straightforward written article is usually far more to the point.
>
>> Bbbuttt studies show that adding an image adds X% to the readership,
>> effects add Y% and video and amazing Z%.
>
> Not to my readership, thobut.
>
>> Of course in the studies the images and videos were relevant,
>> attached to interesting articles and the effects accentuated the point while
>> the plain text articles were tediously uninteresting space filler waffle.
>
> Absolutely. "Let's fabricate a 'study' that gives the results we want",
> innit.

All of the UK advertising media have a Joint Industry Committee that
oversees any research like that. The jbex is audited.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

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 by: Nick Odell - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:16 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:33:28 +0100, John Williamson
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>>
>The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be made
>available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is predictable,
>it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting their factory
>shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for base load un
>less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
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I dunno. Us hewming beans are pretty good at changing our way of
living to accommodate new things. It's not so long ago our activities
were more or less entirely governed by the periods of day and night.
Adapting to tide tables doesn't seem too onerous.

Nick

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 by: Tone - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:43 UTC

On 26/04/2022 11:11, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of gas?
>>>> Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>>>
>>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
>>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order to
>>> make more gas?
>>
>> Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the process.
>
> With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
> numbers).
>
>

Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?

Tone

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 by: Peter - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:11 UTC

Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
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> Peter said:
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote in
>>> Peter said:
>>>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
>>>>> In article <slrnt6dksk.7g2.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Recently, I heard of people living outside the main cities in
>>>>>>upstate New York complaining because of the gush of gas when they
>>>>>>turn on their water taps in the morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Just how do the gases from fracking get into tap water, such that
>>>>> there is a gush of gas from water taps?
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the
>>>> Fylde, some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water
>>>> main and accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the
>>>> explosive limit.
>>>
>>> Narsty.
>>>
>>> Where did the methane come from ?
>>
>> Coal deposits, apparently. There's an account of it here:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbeystead_disaster
>
> ! Just up the hill.
>
> Thanks.

I was jbexing on the Bailrigg campus at the time, SWMBO and I lived in
Freckleton, so it was local news.

--
Peter
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 by: Richard Robinson - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:45 UTC

ChrisND@privacy.net said:
> On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>> Peter said:
>>
>>>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just
>>>> over 50% of the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could
>>>> be a lot more with some decent investment.
>>>
>>> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on
>>> getting 'tidal' working, for base load.
>>>
>> The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be
>> made available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is
>> predictable, it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting
>> their factory shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for
>> base load un less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
>
> Something called the national grid should be able to sort out the
> regional variations/timings in tidal flow :-)

Yes. Tides are a known quantity. If you catch the flow in both
directions, it's about a 6hr cycle ? So you know how much storage you
need to smooth things out

>> The French system is 80% nuclear, which more than covers their base
>> load, and which gives them enough spare from other sources to be able
>> to export large amounts of electricity to nearby, fossil fuelled
>> countries.
>
> ..and makes them* a target for Russian** missiles :-/
>
> *or any other country with nuclear power **other aggressive
> 'influencers' are available

There is that.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:43 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:02:59 -0000 (UTC)
Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:t48st6$6da$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 26/04/2022 11:11, Richard Robinson wrote:
> >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> >>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
> >>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of
> >>>>> gas? Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
> >>>>
> >>>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
> >>>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order
> >>>> to make more gas?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the
> >>> process.
> >>
> >> With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
> >> numbers).
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>
> Only solar amplified discarded condoms.

They only swell up in the sun if you tie a knot in them.

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 by: maus - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:46 UTC

On 2022-04-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:36:21 -0000 (UTC)
> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the Fylde,
>> some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water main and
>> accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the explosive limit.
>
> It's not something that springs to mind when thinking about pumping
> station design, is some kind of methane bleed off a standard feature now I
> wonder.
>

What I heard about UK fuel reserves years ago, was that the pumping
stations on the pipes fro West Wales to the main Airfields were wide
open to theft.

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