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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 19 May 2022 13:50 UTC

A council is encouraging cyclists to ignore a dedicated cycle path and take up more space on the main road instead.

Although cyclists have use of a 7ft wide bike lane alongside the A35 in Boscombe, Bournemouth, the council has painted large bike symbols in the middle of the busy road as well.

This is because the local authority wants cyclists to take a ‘more prominent position’ on the A35 so they can be seen by traffic.

A spokesperson for Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole (BCP) Council said: ‘We recently undertook carriageway resurfacing and have widened the cycle lanes in line with current standards.

‘The road markings highlighted are there to encourage cyclists to take a prominent position in the lane so therefore make them more visible to other motorists.’

However, the move has upset drivers who say the new markings not only make the bike lane redundant but encourage cyclists to think ‘they own the road’.

Steve Martin said: ‘You put cycle lanes in and then paint cycle symbols on main carriageway.

‘Cyclists now seem to think they own all the road and won’t move over.’

Rob Copson added: ‘So now they’re encouraged to not use the cycle lane right next to them then?’

Donna Clarke said: ‘It should be in the Highway Code that cyclists must use cycle lanes if available.

‘This is utterly ridiculous, causing tailbacks, delayed emergency vehicles and frayed tempers.’

Nick Beck said: ‘If there’s a dedicated cycle lane, why are they being directed to cycle in the main carriageway?’

The cycle markings on the A35 are not the first time BCP Council has upset drivers.

Last year BCP Council caused controversy when it spent £1.12 million on two cycle lanes which motorists then claimed left them with no room to make way for emergency vehicles.

The new bike lanes are protected from traffic by 6 inch tall raised kerbs.

But drivers say the narrow road layout leaves them hemmed-in and with nowhere to go if an ambulance or fire engine needs to get past.

BCP Council declared a climate emergency in 2019, pledging to make all its operations carbon neutral by 2030.

On its website officials boast to have ‘improved the safety of cyclists and walkers at key transport locations using the £312,000 Government Emergency Active Travel grant.’

Following a survey of its staff, there has also been a decrease in them commuting to work as they prefer to work from home on the back of the pandemic..

In January changes in the Highway Code came into force that mean drivers must give priority to cyclists in certain situations.

The rule change urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane.

The new rules apply whether the cyclist ahead is using a cycle lane, a cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.

The changes also allow cyclists to ride in the middle of quieter roads and ride two abreast.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/17/dorset-council-tells-cyclists-to-ignore-cycle-lanes-and-use-main-road-16661629/

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 19 May 2022 15:07 UTC

On 19/05/2022 02:50 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> A council is encouraging fairy-cyclists to ignore a dedicated fairy-cycle path and take up more space on the main road instead.
>
> Although fairy-cyclists have use of a 7ft wide fairy-bike lane alongside the A35 in Boscombe, Bournemouth, the council has painted large fairy-bike symbols in the middle of the busy road as well.
>
> This is because the local authority wants fairy-cyclists to take a ‘more prominent position’ on the A35 so they can be seen by traffic.
>
> A spokesperson for Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole (BCP) Council said: ‘We recently undertook carriageway resurfacing and have widened the fairy-cycle lanes in line with current standards.
>
> ‘The road markings highlighted are there to encourage fairy-cyclists to take a prominent position in the lane so therefore make them more visible to other motorists.’
>
> However, the move has upset drivers who say the new markings not only make the fairy-bike lane redundant but encourage fairy-cyclists to think ‘they own the road’.
>
> Steve Martin said: ‘You put fairy-cycle lanes in and then paint fairy-cycle symbols on main carriageway.
>
> ‘Fairy-Cyclists now seem to think they own all the road and won’t move over.’
>
> Rob Copson added: ‘So now they’re encouraged to not use the fairy-cycle lane right next to them then?’
>
> Donna Clarke said: ‘It should be in the Highway Code that fairy-cyclists must use cycle lanes if available.
>
> ‘This is utterly ridiculous, causing tailbacks, delayed emergency vehicles and frayed tempers.’
>
> Nick Beck said: ‘If there’s a dedicated fairy-cycle lane, why are they being directed to fairy-cycle in the main carriageway?’
>
> The fairy-cycle markings on the A35 are not the first time BCP Council has upset drivers.
>
> Last year BCP Council caused controversy when it spent £1.12 million on two fairy-cycle lanes which motorists then claimed left them with no room to make way for emergency vehicles.
>
> The new fairy-bike lanes are protected from traffic by 6 inch tall raised kerbs.
>
> But drivers say the narrow road layout leaves them hemmed-in and with nowhere to go if an ambulance or fire engine needs to get past.
>
> BCP Council declared a climate emergency in 2019, pledging to make all its operations carbon neutral by 2030.
>
> On its website officials boast to have ‘improved the safety of fairy-cyclists and walkers at key transport locations using the £312,000 Government Emergency Active Travel grant.’
>
> Following a survey of its staff, there has also been a decrease in them commuting to work as they prefer to work from home on the back of the pandemic.
>
> In January changes in the Highway Code came into force that mean drivers must give priority to fairy-cyclists in certain situations.
>
> The rule change urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across fairy-cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane.
>
> The new rules apply whether the fairy-cyclist ahead is using a fairy-cycle lane, a fairy-cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.
>
> The changes also allow fairy-cyclists to ride in the middle of quieter roads and ride two abreast.
>
> https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/17/dorset-council-tells-cyclists-to-ignore-cycle-lanes-and-use-main-road-16661629/

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 19 May 2022 15:56 UTC

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> But drivers say the narrow road layout leaves them hemmed-in and with nowhere to go.

Awwww - poor babies. Trapped in their metal boxes with scary cyclists outside.

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 by: Spike - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:29 UTC

On 19/05/2022 13:50, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> A council is encouraging cyclists to ignore a dedicated cycle path and take up more space on the main road instead.

> BCP [Bournemouth Christchurch and Pool] Council declared a climate emergency in 2019, pledging to make all its operations carbon neutral by 2030.
That tells you all you need to know about Bournemouth Christchurch and
Pool Council and the wisdom of its decisions.

> https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/17/dorset-council-tells-cyclists-to-ignore-cycle-lanes-and-use-main-road-16661629/

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 by: Spike - Fri, 20 May 2022 07:08 UTC

On 19/05/2022 16:32, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Why is this causing such a "meltdown"? Most odd.

> https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/SEI_104430545.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=644%2C429

The message appears to be that drivers are being informed that cyclists
don't know which way to go, and might be wobbling all over the place.

What we need is SAFER CYCLISTS FOR ROADS.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 20 May 2022 09:16 UTC

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> ‘The road markings highlighted are there to encourage cyclists to take a prominent position in the lane so therefore make them more visible to other motorists.’

They can already see cyclists' earbuds - how much more help do these people need?

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 by: Spike - Fri, 20 May 2022 10:20 UTC

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>> ‘The road markings highlighted are there to encourage cyclists to take a prominent position in the lane so therefore make them more visible to other motorists.’

> They can already see cyclists' earbuds - how much more help do these people need?

They don't. It's just an exercise in being awkward.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:26 UTC

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> Donna Clarke said: ‘It should be in the Highway Code that cyclists must use cycle lanes if available.

Have a words with Mr Arsehole - I think his latest failed petition mentoned including that rule in the HC along with plastic hats and reg plates.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 21 May 2022 07:40 UTC

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>> Donna Clarke said: ‘It should be in the Highway Code that cyclists must use cycle lanes if available.

> Have a words with Mr Arsehole - I think his latest failed petition mentoned including that rule in the HC along with plastic hats and reg plates.

Which particular Mr Arsehole would that be?

You have so many of them...

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 21 May 2022 14:17 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 4:26:24 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > Donna Clarke said: ‘It should be in the Highway Code that cyclists must use cycle lanes if available.
> Have a words with Mr Arsehole - I think his latest failed petition mentoned including that rule in the HC along with plastic hats and reg plates.

And using phones:

Sensible decision by DfT against people finding a "problem" out of nothing.

Transport minister Baroness Vere has told the House of Lords that the government has no plans to introduce specific legislation banning cyclists and e-scooter riders from using mobile phones while riding.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 22 May 2022 08:42 UTC

On 21/05/2022 14:17, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> [Conservative] Transport minister Baroness Vere has told the House of Lords that the government has no plans to introduce specific legislation banning cyclists and e-scooter riders from faceplanting into stationary objects

Cyclist on phone faceplants into van:

<https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/whats-viral/dont-text-and-bike-cyclist-busy-on-phone-crashes-into-parked-van-watch.html>

Cyclist looking at phone faceplants into gate, loses many teeth:

<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5385615/Cyclist-phone-loses-teeth-slams-gate.html>

Cyclist using device faceplants into car:

<http://cycling.today/cyclist-inexplicably-crashes-into-parked-car-video/>

Cyclist distracted by his mobile phone faceplants into stationary car:

<https://theindependent.sg/cyclist-distracted-by-whats-on-his-mobile-phone-slams-into-stationary-car/>

HTH

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 by: JNugent - Sun, 22 May 2022 11:15 UTC

On 22/05/2022 09:42 am, Spike wrote:

> On 21/05/2022 14:17, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [Conservative] Transport minister Baroness Vere has told the House of Lords that the government has no plans to introduce specific legislation banning fairy-cyclists and e-scooter riders from faceplanting into stationary objects
>
> Fairy-yclist on phone faceplants into van:
>
> <https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/whats-viral/dont-text-and-bike-cyclist-busy-on-phone-crashes-into-parked-van-watch.html>
>
> Fairy-yclist looking at phone faceplants into gate, loses many teeth:
>
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5385615/Cyclist-phone-loses-teeth-slams-gate.html>
>
> Fairy-yclist using device faceplants into car:
>
> <http://cycling.today/cyclist-inexplicably-crashes-into-parked-car-video/>
>
> Fairy-yclist distracted by his mobile phone faceplants into stationary car:
>
> <https://theindependent.sg/cyclist-distracted-by-whats-on-his-mobile-phone-slams-into-stationary-car/>
>
> HTH

<mode:mason>

The stationary cars shouldn't have been in the fairy-cyclists' way(s).

<mode:/mason>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 22 May 2022 12:24 UTC

>
> In January changes in the Highway Code came into force that mean drivers must give priority to cyclists in certain situations.
>
> The rule change urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane.
>
> The new rules apply whether the cyclist ahead is using a cycle lane, a cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.
>
> The changes also allow cyclists to ride in the middle of quieter roads and ride two abreast.

IME, these new rules are having a positive effect for cyclists out in the real world.
It's good to get a wide berth and priority for a change.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 22 May 2022 16:32 UTC

On 22/05/2022 12:24, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> In January changes in the Highway Code came into force that mean drivers must give priority to cyclists in certain situations.

>> The rule change urges drivers and motorcyclists not to cut across cyclists when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane.

>> The new rules apply whether the cyclist ahead is using a cycle lane, a cycle track or simply riding on the road ahead.

>> The changes also allow cyclists to ride in the middle of quieter roads and ride two abreast.

> IME, these new rules are having a positive effect for cyclists out in the real world.
> It's good to get a wide berth and priority for a change.Highway Code.
Now all we need is for cyclists to give pedestrians a wide berth. As per
Highway Code.

Perhaps we should rename it the 'Hogway Code' to better reflect cyclists
behaviour.

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