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* DustedTone
+* DustedDon Stockbauer
|`* DustedTone
| `* DustedRustyHinge
|  `* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
|   `* Dustednev young
|    `- DustedSam Plusnet
+* Dustedsoup
|+* DustedRustyHinge
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||`- Dustedsoup
|+* DustedTone
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||`* Dustednev young
|| `* Dustedsoup
||  `* Dustednev young
||   `* Dustedsoup
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||    |  |`* DustedTease'n'Seize
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||    |  | `- DustedChrisND@privacy.net
||    |  `* DustedSam Plusnet
||    |   `- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||    +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||    `- DustedNicholas D. Richards
|+* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||`* Dustedsoup
|| +* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
|| |`* DustedDon Stockbauer
|| | `* DustedTone
|| |  `* DustedNick Odell
|| |   `- DustedTone
|| `* DustedJohn Williamson
||  +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||  +* Dustedmaus
||  |`- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||  `* Dustedsoup
||   +* DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||   |`- DustedJohn Williamson
||   `* DustedSam Plusnet
||    +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||    `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     +* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |`* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     | `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |  `* DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   +* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   |`* DustedKerr-Mudd, John
||     |   | +* DustedPeter
||     |   | |+* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | ||`* DustedPeter
||     |   | || `- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | |`* DustedChris Elvidge
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||     |   | | +* DustedPeter
||     |   | | |+- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | |+* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||`* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | || +- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||     |   | | || `* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | ||  `* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | ||   `* DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | | ||    `* DustedKerr-Mudd, John
||     |   | | ||     +* DustedPeter
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||     |   | | ||     | `- DustedThe Nomad
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||     |   | | ||     ||||| +* DustedDon Stockbauer
||     |   | | ||     ||||| |`- Dustedmaus
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||     |   | | ||     |||||  +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | ||     |||||  `* DustedNicholas D. Richards
||     |   | | ||     |||||   `* DustedPeter
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||     |   | | ||     |||||    |  `- DustedPeter
||     |   | | ||     |||||    +* Dustedmaus
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||     |   | | ||     ||||+* DustedNicholas D. Richards
||     |   | | ||     |||||`- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     ||||`- DustedAhem A Rivet's Shot
||     |   | | ||     |||`- DustedBernard Peek
||     |   | | ||     ||+- DustedMike Spencer
||     |   | | ||     ||`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | ||     || `- DustedDon Stockbauer
||     |   | | ||     |`- DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | | ||     `- DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | |`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | | +* DustedJohn Williamson
||     |   | | | |+* DustedChrisND@privacy.net
||     |   | | | ||`* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   | | | |`* DustedNick Odell
||     |   | | | `* Dustedmaus
||     |   | | +- DustedTease'n'Seize
||     |   | | +- Dustedmaus
||     |   | | `* DustedSam Plusnet
||     |   | `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     |   `* DustedRichard Robinson
||     `- DustedTone
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Re: Dusted

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 by: maus - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50 UTC

On 2022-04-26, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> Peter said:
>> Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote in
>>>
>>> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
>>> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from
>>> renewable sources? Or only their domestic supply?
>>
>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
>> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
>> some decent investment.
>
> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on getting
> 'tidal' working, for base load.

By report, tidal did not work well in Swansea.
>
> If it is a commitment, of course, given the way this lot change their
> minds.
>
>
>

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greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

Re: Dusted

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 by: maus - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:58 UTC

On 2022-04-26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:11:35 -0500
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
> The benefit from this cycle apparently comes from replacing the
> methane emissions with CO2 emissions which are less of a promble. I can't
> help thinking that adoption by farmers would be accelerated by purnc
> methane conversions for quads and tractors along with a purnc methane
> collection system for the slurry pit. Add in a grant and they'll be
> queueueueing up for it.
>

About 50% grant in this burg. Still does not cover the cost of bringing
the biomass to the nearest station.

If you think that you are going to power a large tractor with
electricity, dream on, and that is even before you consider combine
harvesters.

No, I fear that the future will depend on a lot of cuts in Car Usage,
which will mean that the roads will be left to politicians and other
insiders.

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

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 by: maus - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:01 UTC

On 2022-04-26, Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
> On 26/04/2022 11:11, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>>
>>
>
> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>
> Tone

I once, along with other jobs, emptied septic tanks. The amountof
condoms in a tank frequently mirrored the happiness of the couple in
the house. And, no, I wont take your sh** away.

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:06 UTC

In article <rsrf6hla2vutjp15isffs1tb4dl8aq038v@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> on Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 14:16:18 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:33:28 +0100, John Williamson
><johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
><snip for Rusty>
>>>
>>The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be made
>>available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is predictable,
>>it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting their factory
>>shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for base load un
>>less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
><end snip for Rusty>
>
>I dunno. Us hewming beans are pretty good at changing our way of
>living to accommodate new things. It's not so long ago our activities
>were more or less entirely governed by the periods of day and night.
>Adapting to tide tables doesn't seem too onerous.
>
Switching a steel furnace to standby while the tide is on the turn is
pretty onerous I would contend that there are plenty of other examples
of continuous processes.

The tide turns twice a day, but only a short period is anything like
maximum flow. During neap tides flow is much less than at spring tides.
Incidentally the period of maximum tidal flow changes every day. It is
not straight forward to rely on tidal flow.

Our body clocks are not that adaptable, and I for one amongst many find
interference with it is unhelpful to pretty sick making. Interfering
with the day/night cycle is pretty fraught. I know inshore fishermen
live with, but at what cost?

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:11 UTC

In article <XnsAE859918D43B0Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
<myshed@prune.org.uk> on Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 14:02:59 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:t48st6$6da$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 26/04/2022 11:11, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
>>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of
>>>>>> gas? Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>>>>>
>>>>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
>>>>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order
>>>>> to make more gas?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the
>>>> process.
>>>
>>> With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
>>> numbers).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>
>Only solar amplified discarded condoms.
>
Everyone uses amplified extra large condoms do they not? Ooops, that is
less than 50% of the population use large condoms, in fact any condoms.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:17 UTC

In article <slrnt6g8ea.3ni.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 16:46:02 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-04-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:36:21 -0000 (UTC)
>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the Fylde,
>>> some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water main and
>>> accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the explosive limit.
>>
>> It's not something that springs to mind when thinking about pumping
>> station design, is some kind of methane bleed off a standard feature now I
>> wonder.
>>
>
>What I heard about UK fuel reserves years ago, was that the pumping
>stations on the pipes fro West Wales to the main Airfields were wide
>open to theft.
>
While I have heard of this happening in Nigeria, usually when the whole
shebang goes bang, when was the last time it happened in the UK? These
pipelines have been buried underground since during WW2 and are
patrolled.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:21 UTC

In article <20220426154324.99f4344f086882edaf43302d@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 15:43:24 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:02:59 -0000 (UTC)
>Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote in news:t48st6$6da$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 26/04/2022 11:11, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> >>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:33:40 +0100
>> >>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 23-Apr-22 17:10, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> How do you get household gas from non-fossil sources? What sort of
>> >>>>> gas? Not a dig at you/them, a real query.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A supply of "Renewable" gas must surely mean they collect all the
>> >>>> combustion gasses from your house, and then recombine them in order
>> >>>> to make more gas?
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, making use of grass and cows as intermediaries in the
>> >>> process.
>> >>
>> >> With solar input for an amplifier (even if small, see elsewhere for
>> >> numbers).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>>
>> Only solar amplified discarded condoms.
>
>They only swell up in the sun if you tie a knot in them.
>
While wearing them?
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On 26/04/2022 15:43, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>> Only solar amplified discarded condoms.
> They only swell up in the sun if you tie a knot in them.

I had the snip in 1998.

far cheaperererer in the 'long' run.

(ahem)

Tone

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:20 UTC

On 26 Apr 2022 16:58:22 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> If you think that you are going to power a large tractor with
> electricity, dream on, and that is even before you consider combine
> harvesters.

Nonononononono not electrickery. Slurry pit -> Methane bag ->
Tractor. Think Corporal Jones' van.

There are large electric tractors with two megawatt hours of
batteries where the big diesel engine usually lives.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:21 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:21:30 +0100
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20220426154324.99f4344f086882edaf43302d@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 15:43:24 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote

> >> Only solar amplified discarded condoms.
> >
> >They only swell up in the sun if you tie a knot in them.
> >
> While wearing them?

If you can do that you don't need one.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:50 UTC

In article <t49bao$5ge$1@dont-email.me>, Tone <tone@email.com> on Tue,
26 Apr 2022 at 18:49:11 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 26/04/2022 15:43, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>>> Only solar amplified discarded condoms.
>> They only swell up in the sun if you tie a knot in them.
>
>I had the snip in 1998.
>
>far cheaperererer in the 'long' run.
>
>(ahem)
>
But, more trouble if you catch a dose of the clap, or worse.
--
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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:56 UTC

On 26 Apr 2022 16:50:09 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-04-26, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> > Peter said:
> >> Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote in
> >>>
> >>> Seems these days every company says they get their electricity from
> >>> renewable sources. But do they get ALL their electricity from
> >>> renewable sources? Or only their domestic supply?
> >>
> >> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just over 50% of
> >> the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could be a lot more with
> >> some decent investment.
> >
> > I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on getting
> > 'tidal' working, for base load.
>
> By report, tidal did not work well in Swansea.
> >

I goov it was more that the buggerem wouldn't countenance it; as they'd already over-committed to a nuclear venture for somerset.

> > If it is a commitment, of course, given the way this lot change their
> > minds.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> greymausg@mail.com
> He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,
>

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 by: Nick Odell - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:05 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:06:36 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
<nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

>In article <rsrf6hla2vutjp15isffs1tb4dl8aq038v@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
><nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> on Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 14:16:18 awoke
>Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:33:28 +0100, John Williamson
>><johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip for Rusty>
>>>>
>>>The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be made
>>>available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is predictable,
>>>it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting their factory
>>>shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for base load un
>>>less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
>><end snip for Rusty>
>>
>>I dunno. Us hewming beans are pretty good at changing our way of
>>living to accommodate new things. It's not so long ago our activities
>>were more or less entirely governed by the periods of day and night.
>>Adapting to tide tables doesn't seem too onerous.
>>
>Switching a steel furnace to standby while the tide is on the turn is
>pretty onerous I would contend that there are plenty of other examples
>of continuous processes.
>
>The tide turns twice a day, but only a short period is anything like
>maximum flow. During neap tides flow is much less than at spring tides.
>Incidentally the period of maximum tidal flow changes every day. It is
>not straight forward to rely on tidal flow.
>
>Our body clocks are not that adaptable, and I for one amongst many find
>interference with it is unhelpful to pretty sick making. Interfering
>with the day/night cycle is pretty fraught. I know inshore fishermen
>live with, but at what cost?

Just give it a few hundred years or so and it'll seem like we always
lived that way.

Nick

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:21 UTC

On 25-Apr-22 23:38, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:36:21 -0000 (UTC)
> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall an explosion at a water pumping station on the Fylde,
>> some decades ago. Methane had seeped into the drinking water main and
>> accumulated in the pumping station until it reached the explosive limit.
>
> It's not something that springs to mind when thinking about pumping
> station design, is some kind of methane bleed off a standard feature now I
> wonder.
>
If the water in the water main is under pressure[1] then how does the
methane manage to get in there?

[1] If not, how do you get it to move?

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:30 UTC

On 26-Apr-22 17:58, maus wrote:
> On 2022-04-26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:11:35 -0500
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The benefit from this cycle apparently comes from replacing the
>> methane emissions with CO2 emissions which are less of a promble. I can't
>> help thinking that adoption by farmers would be accelerated by purnc
>> methane conversions for quads and tractors along with a purnc methane
>> collection system for the slurry pit. Add in a grant and they'll be
>> queueueueing up for it.
>>
>
>
> About 50% grant in this burg. Still does not cover the cost of bringing
> the biomass to the nearest station.
>
> If you think that you are going to power a large tractor with
> electricity, dream on, and that is even before you consider combine
> harvesters.

Think of a cross between a large tractor and an overhead-wire tram.

Have to build the infrastructure, but then the wbo's a good un.

Or a stationary eclectic engine at one end of the field, & a
cable-driven plough running back & forth just like they used to do with
steam engines.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:32 UTC

On 26-Apr-22 14:43, Tone wrote:

> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?

Why put them on cards in the first place?

Daft I calls it.

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On 26-Apr-22 18:11, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> Everyone uses amplified extra large condoms do they not? Ooops, that is
> less than 50% of the population use large condoms, in fact any condoms.

The female 50% don't have anything to put one on - which may be why they
so often feel put upon.

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 by: Nick Odell - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 22:57 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:32:25 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 26-Apr-22 14:43, Tone wrote:
>
>> Sorry. Are we still on the subject of discarded condoms?
>
>Why put them on cards in the first place?
>
>Daft I calls it.

It's not the cards that's the problem, it's the staples they use to
fix 'em there.

Nick

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 by: maus - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 23:02 UTC

On 2022-04-26, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 26-Apr-22 17:58, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-04-26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:11:35 -0500
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
> Think of a cross between a large tractor and an overhead-wire tram.
>
> Have to build the infrastructure, but then the wbo's a good un.
>
> Or a stationary eclectic engine at one end of the field, & a
> cable-driven plough running back & forth just like they used to do with
> steam engines.

Still silly. There was an estimate years ago that sowing 15% of a farm
with canola would make it viable without any fossil fuel inputs. It was
laughed at when real experts were consulted. The US is allowing more
alcohol to be mixed with fossil fuel.

Some years ago I saw an advert-article about a firm selling electric
quad bikes, and after giving time for the bull* to quiten down, I went
to see how they worked. The place was locked up, so the guy in the unit
next door came over to ask my business. When told that I only wanted to
see one working, he said that there was a constant stream of people
returning theirs.

One old guy I knew bought a golf buggy to ride around on, any slope at
all or even wet spot, and he would have to limp home. At my local
supermarket i see people with the little electric buggies. (They are no
longer allowed into the stores, because they dirty the floor). Same
problem, not enough power,

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

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 by: ChrisND@privacy.net - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:43 UTC

On 26/04/2022 15:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
> ChrisND@privacy.net said:
>> On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
>>> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>> Peter said:
>>>
>>>>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just
>>>>> over 50% of the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could
>>>>> be a lot more with some decent investment.
>>>>
>>>> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on
>>>> getting 'tidal' working, for base load.
>>>>
>>> The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be
>>> made available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is
>>> predictable, it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting
>>> their factory shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for
>>> base load un less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
>>
>> Something called the national grid should be able to sort out the
>> regional variations/timings in tidal flow :-)
>
> Yes. Tides are a known quantity. If you catch the flow in both
> directions, it's about a 6hr cycle ? So you know how much storage you
> need to smooth things out

Tidal in/out is about 6 hours each way but, even though we only have one
moon<G>, the tidal times vary throughout the kingdom <G>, therefore not
everywhere is at the same state of tide simultaneously - even in the UK.
So, an efficient national grid should be fed from somewhere more or less
continuously.

Chris

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 by: maus - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:59 UTC

On 2022-04-27, ChrisND@privacy.net <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 26/04/2022 15:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> ChrisND@privacy.net said:
>>> On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
>>>> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
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>>>>
> So, an efficient national grid should be fed from somewhere more or less
> continuously.
>
> Chris
>

Why was the Pentland Firth never considered? Powerful tides and all?

there are ways of storing energy, including one I can see from my
window, even if it is 30+ miles away, a lake on top of a hill where
water is pumped up, and that drives turbines as it flows down when other
sources of electricity lower.

--
greymausg@mail.com
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,

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 by: Tease'n'Se - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:35 UTC

maus wrote:

> there are ways of storing energy, including one I can see from my
> window, even if it is 30+ miles away, a lake on top of a hill where
> water is pumped up, and that drives turbines as it flows down when other
> sources of electricity lower.

Even the big one at dinorwig can only run for 6 hours to provide 6% of the UK's
demand, it's about 75% efficient from pumping it up to letting it out.

So you'd need to import lots of tall mountings with big lakes at the top.

It's not as though estuary power has really proved it can generate lots of
electricity, for my money, stick it into extra unclear stations please.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:46 UTC

On 27 Apr 2022 14:59:14 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-04-27, ChrisND@privacy.net <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
> > On 26/04/2022 15:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
> >> ChrisND@privacy.net said:
> >>> On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
> >>>> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
> >>>>> Peter said:
> >>>>
> > So, an efficient national grid should be fed from somewhere more or less
> > continuously.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> Why was the Pentland Firth never considered? Powerful tides and all?

It might be:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentland_Firth#Tidal_power
>
but it would need some Big New Cables to take it somewhere useful.

> there are ways of storing energy, including one I can see from my
> window, even if it is 30+ miles away, a lake on top of a hill where
> water is pumped up, and that drives turbines as it flows down when other
> sources of electricity lower.
>
>
> --
> greymausg@mail.com
> He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness,
>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:48 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:35:41 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> maus wrote:
>
> > there are ways of storing energy, including one I can see from my
> > window, even if it is 30+ miles away, a lake on top of a hill where
> > water is pumped up, and that drives turbines as it flows down when other
> > sources of electricity lower.
>
> Even the big one at dinorwig can only run for 6 hours to provide 6% of the UK's
> demand, it's about 75% efficient from pumping it up to letting it out.
>
> So you'd need to import lots of tall mountings with big lakes at the top.
>
> It's not as though estuary power has really proved it can generate lots of
> electricity, for my money, stick it into extra unclear stations please.
>
IDWTP.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:02 UTC

On 27-Apr-22 12:43, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
> On 26/04/2022 15:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> ChrisND@privacy.net said:
>>> On 26/04/2022 11:33, John Williamson wrote:
>>>> On 26/04/2022 10:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Peter said:
>>>>
>>>>>> I saw some figures recently. I think they were saying that just
>>>>>> over 50% of the UK electricty supply was from renewables. It could
>>>>>> be a lot more with some decent investment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish they were spending some of the 'nuclear' commitment on
>>>>> getting 'tidal' working, for base load.
>>>>>
>>>> The latest study I've seen puts the maximum tidal power that can be
>>>> made available at about 11% of overall demand, and while it is
>>>> predictable, it is only cyclically available. Anyone fancy setting
>>>> their factory shifts by the tide tables? Not terrifically helpful for
>>>> base load un less we change our way of living to accommodate to it.
>>>
>>> Something called the national grid should be able to sort out the
>>> regional variations/timings in tidal flow :-)
>>
>> Yes. Tides are a known quantity. If you catch the flow in both
>> directions, it's about a 6hr cycle ? So you know how much storage you
>> need to smooth things out
>
> Tidal in/out is about 6 hours each way but, even though we only have one
> moon<G>, the tidal times vary throughout the kingdom <G>, therefore not
> everywhere is at the same state of tide simultaneously - even in the UK.
> So, an efficient national grid should be fed from somewhere more or less
> continuously.

Tide times certainly do vary around the UK, but do they vary _enough_ to
keep energy production running smoothly? My gut feel is that plus or
minus a couple of hours wouldn't be enough.

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