Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight off
the incoming copper pair.

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On Sat, 15 Jul 23 08:30:02 UTC
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight
> off the incoming copper pair.
>

Does that mean she has been given VOIP without the option of saying
'NO!'?
Is the router ADSL or Fibre?

Like Germany, today you are on a wired landline, tomorrow you will be
on fibre VOIP.

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In article <u8trbd$c2qg$1@dont-email.me>,
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 23 08:30:02 UTC
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> > Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
> > installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight
> > off the incoming copper pair.
> >

> Does that mean she has been given VOIP without the option of saying
> 'NO!'?
> Is the router ADSL or Fibre?

> Like Germany, today you are on a wired landline, tomorrow you will be
> on fibre VOIP.

The router is ADSL, there's an incoming line with the usual two outlet
terminal plate, but only the ADSL one is used. The phone one is dead.

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On 15/07/2023 11:45, charles wrote:
> In article <u8trbd$c2qg$1@dont-email.me>,
> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 23 08:30:02 UTC
>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
>>> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight
>>> off the incoming copper pair.
>>>
>
>> Does that mean she has been given VOIP without the option of saying
>> 'NO!'?
>> Is the router ADSL or Fibre?
>
>> Like Germany, today you are on a wired landline, tomorrow you will be
>> on fibre VOIP.
>
> The router is ADSL, there's an incoming line with the usual two outlet
> terminal plate, but only the ADSL one is used. The phone one is dead.
>

If her exchange has 75% FTTP coverage there's usually a "stop sell" on
old-style lines. Coming to us all in September.

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On 15/07/2023 11:45, charles wrote:
> In article <u8trbd$c2qg$1@dont-email.me>,
> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 23 08:30:02 UTC
>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
>>> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight
>>> off the incoming copper pair.
>>>
>
>> Does that mean she has been given VOIP without the option of saying
>> 'NO!'?
>> Is the router ADSL or Fibre?
>
>> Like Germany, today you are on a wired landline, tomorrow you will be
>> on fibre VOIP.
>
> The router is ADSL, there's an incoming line with the usual two outlet
> terminal plate, but only the ADSL one is used. The phone one is dead.

I would expect she has FTTC but without the phone service (aka SOGEA)
rather than ADSL.

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I think you will find this standard practice, though I wonder what they
would do if you told them to take out the internet.
Brian

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"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
news:5ac4435b5fcharles@candehope.me.uk...
> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight off
> the incoming copper pair.
>
> --
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> "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 16/07/2023 09:32, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I think you will find this standard practice, though I wonder what they
> would do if you told them to take out the internet.
> Brian
>

Isn't it all one contract? So you can't cancel part of it?

Dave

In article <u8v43k$geto$1@dont-email.me>,
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 11:45, charles wrote:
> > In article <u8trbd$c2qg$1@dont-email.me>,
> > Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Jul 23 08:30:02 UTC
> >> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
> >>> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight
> >>> off the incoming copper pair.
> >>>
> >
> >> Does that mean she has been given VOIP without the option of saying
> >> 'NO!'?
> >> Is the router ADSL or Fibre?
> >
> >> Like Germany, today you are on a wired landline, tomorrow you will be
> >> on fibre VOIP.
> >
> > The router is ADSL, there's an incoming line with the usual two outlet
> > terminal plate, but only the ADSL one is used. The phone one is dead.

> I would expect she has FTTC but without the phone service (aka SOGEA)
> rather than ADSL.

Next time I visit I can a) check her internet speed anmd b) look for a
green cabinet nearby

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On 16/07/2023 08:32, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I think you will find this standard practice, though I wonder what they
> would do if you told them to take out the internet.

They would downgrade the service to about 0.5Mb/s and replace the router
with a box that provides only VoIP functionality.

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On 16/07/2023 10:07, Mike Clarke wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 08:32, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I think you will find this standard practice, though I wonder what they
>> would do if you told them to take out the internet.
>
> They would downgrade the service to about 0.5Mb/s and replace the router
> with a box that provides only VoIP functionality.
>

That's still a lot faster than we were happily used to with
our tenner-a-month dial up Demon connections.

I wonder what would happen if one tried to use that
'slow' connection for a vary basic internet connection ?.

On 16/07/2023 12:21, Andrew wrote:

> I wonder what would happen if one tried to use that
> 'slow' connection for a vary basic internet connection ?.

It would probably not be possible. They'd almost certainly block all
traffic except SIP/VoIP

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On 15/07/2023 09:30, charles wrote:
> Just been at daughter's house, to which she's just moved in. OpenReach
> installed the phone from a socket on the router rather than straight off
> the incoming copper pair.
>

Interesting.

When they installed our FTTP the router had a POTS socket - and they
gave us a VOIP phone to use, ignoring the socket. Which incidentally
meant our answering machine was useless.

It's a few years ago now, things must have changed.

Andy

On 16/07/2023 16:14, Mike Clarke wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 12:21, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I wonder what would happen if one tried to use that
>> 'slow' connection for a vary basic internet connection ?.
>
> It would probably not be possible. They'd almost certainly block all
> traffic except SIP/VoIP
>
It may not still be the case, but I had heard they planned to allow it
to be used for internet access...

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On 16/07/2023 09:45, charles wrote:
>
>> I would expect she has FTTC but without the phone service (aka SOGEA)
>> rather than ADSL.
> Next time I visit I can a) check her internet speed anmd b) look for a
> green cabinet nearby
Stick her address into this (it won't recognise her phone number,
because it's SOGEA) and it'll tell you the estimated speeds, (I suspect
she will be on FTTC) and the ID of the cabinet she is served by

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

On 26/07/2023 07:55, Mark Carver wrote:
> Stick her address into this (it won't recognise her phone number,
> because it's SOGEA) and it'll tell you the estimated speeds, (I suspect
> she will be on FTTC) and the ID of the cabinet she is served by
>
> https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

I just tried my mum's house.

"FTTP is not available.

The exchange is not in a current fibre priority programme"

The speed they expect is what she gets. A megabit or so.

Andy

On 26/07/2023 11:10, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 07:55, Mark Carver wrote:
>> Stick her address into this (it won't recognise her phone number,
>> because it's SOGEA) and it'll tell you the estimated speeds, (I
>> suspect she will be on FTTC) and the ID of the cabinet she is served by
>>
>> https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
>
> I just tried my mum's house.
>
> "FTTP is not available.
>
> The exchange is not in a current fibre priority programme"
>
> The speed they expect is what she gets. A megabit or so.
>
>
It's quite a good reference site. In some cases you get real world D/S
and U/S sync values, with a date (take a look further down the result
table). Presumably from BT harvesting their cabinet DSLAM logs