On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:05:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 11:30:51 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/9/2022 10:21 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/9/2022 8:53 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:40:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route
>>>>>>>>>> Syd to
>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that
>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>>> (all
>>>>>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St
>>>>>>>>> Kilda
>>>>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km,
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to
>>>>>>>> "fly"
>>>>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because
>>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>>>>>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over
>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes by sea
>>>>>>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi
>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity about the ocean waves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>>>>>>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity about the other end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nof a chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes they can fly
>>>>>>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity about the ocean waves.
>>>>>>
>>>>> read on McDuff. That does not seem a issue in NZ.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz
>>>>> TECHNOLOGY
>>>>> Seagliders make use of the ‘wing-in-ground-effect (WIG)’ and have
>>>>> been
>>>>> built to leverage existing port infrastructure. The seagliders begin
>>>>> their journey with the hull in the water, rising onto foils as the
>>>>> speed increases before eventually generating lift so that the
>>>>> seaglider begins to fly in-ground-effect at about 10m above the
>>>>> water.
>>>>>
>>>>> The aerodynamic advantage of the “ground effect” includes significant
>>>>> operational efficiencies, increased payload capability, greater range
>>>>> and speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>>>>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>>>>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>>>>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>>> existing battery technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> The efficiency of seagliders means the operational costs are greatly
>>>>> reduced compared to existing modes of transportation. These savings
>>>>> will be passed on to the customer meaning travel fares will be up to
>>>>> 70% cheaper, without sacrificing time, comfort or experience.
>>>>
>>>> I can imagine some scenarios where such an aircraft would work well
>>>> but
>>>> to suggest that could "fly" Syd to Melb" is just out of the question.
>>>> To be safe from waves and large ships it would need to fly at least
>>>> 100mtrs high then it would be out of ground effect so no advantage
>>>> over
>>>> conventional aircraft.
>>>>
>>> Don't know, your field. but one of those backing this is New Zealand
>>> Ex Air Force chief John Hamilton is among the earliest customers.
>>
>> Like I said such an aircraft could work well in a certain circumstances,
>> Syd/Melb just isn't one of those circumstances.
>>
>>> Auckland and Christchurch it doesn't seem a problem they have more
>>> shipping than Sydney Harbour, a lot of Yachts as well
>>
>> Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
>>
> What could go wrong
> https://youtu.be/bzAUX9DkrVY
> Turns out the planes can climb to 40 metres no trouble.

But then there is no point in sea skimming and you have lost the
massive advantage of flying at high altitude, above the weather.

> Yes there are 40 metre high waves!
> They have also their eyes on Sydney and pacific Islands.
> <https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/green-travel/300591084/first-footage-of-new-electric-seagliders-coming-to-new-zealand>
> https://tinyurl.com/2kjl64fp

You need more than eyes, stupid.

> Aslam also revealed early plans to expand operations across the Tasman
> and to the Pacific, after the New Zealand network was established.
> He described a "triangle" of operations that would connect New
> Zealand, Australia and countries in the Pacific such as Fiji, Tonga
> and Samoa.

Just more mindless sales bullshit that only fools those who don't
have a fucking clue how planes work.

> Aslam explains

CLAIMS not explains.

> big swells won't be a problem in most conditions, as
> the optimal height a seaglider operates above the water is 10 metres –
> but that can extend up to 30-40 metres.

But then there is no point in sea skimming and you have lost the
massive advantage of flying at high altitude, above the weather.