On Wed, 18 May 2022 21:21:24 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 15:26:01 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:31:19 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> >> >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> >> >> electricity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, it does not.
>> >> >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
>> burn
>> >> to
>> >> >> make steam.
>> >> >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
>> output,
>> >> >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
>> >> carbon
>> >> >> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> >> >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
>> littoral
>> >> >> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> >> >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
>> >> gas
>> >> >> can be extracted and put into
>> >> >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
>> >> useful
>> >> >> when the renewables sources
>> >> >> have temporary shortfall.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much
>> more
>> >> >> effectively, and that will give
>> >> >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
>> >> mining
>> >> >> companies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> >> >> contained, does not
>> >> >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
>> coal
>> >> >> gas is ancient.
>> >> >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
>> >> come
>> >> >> back.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> >> >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> >> >> works of
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> >> >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> >> >> renewables, he has mentioned
>> >> >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
>> >> energy
>> >> >> policy worthy of the best
>> >> >> leftist sentiments.
>> >>
>> >> > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
>> >> > electricity without batteries.
>> >> Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
>> >> > No more stupid Tesla cars.
>> >> > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
>>
>> >> Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
>> >> comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
>> >> near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
>> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped.No problem, can be
>> done
>> > automatically.
>>
>> Bullshit with the pressures involved.

> Pressures have nothing to do when hydrogen is contained safely.

Everything to do with how viable it is to have a robot
change the tank of hydrogen by itself, safely.

> It is a matter of connection.
> Robotic hands to unscrew, pull out the old cylinder, put in the new one,
> connect the valves to the fuel cells, and screw back.

Easy to say, harder to do safely at those pressures, stupid.

> Of course it will take billions to develop, but wedo throw around
> trillions on stupid wars.

Australia doesn't.

> Maybe good sense will dawn somewhere sometime.

No chance with something as stupid as that
when the alternatives are much more viable.

>>> The range will be as big as the tank!

>> Pity about the size and weight of a tank that give you
>> you the range of a petrol of diesel car.

> It will be as big as needed.

Pity about what space is left in the car and how
viable the car is for the average driver, fuckwit.

> Hydrogen fuel cell cars are around,

With fuck all range, for a reason.

> there are no problems save the availability of hydrogen.

Pity that it comes from natural gas. Makes a lot more
sense to use the natural gas in the car instead.

> GM, Toyota have all the technology.

And none of it is commercially viable.

> The HTN is badly needed.

Taint gunna happen, you watch,

>> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.

>> There is always some waste.

> Much less,

Bullshit given that hydrogen leaks far worse.

> it is simply idiomatic when I said there will be no waste.

You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

> Since the hydrogen car is at least twice as efficient,

Another bare faced lie.

> it needs half the fuel for the same range,

Another bare faced lie.

> meaning the tank size is comparable. With present cars.

Another bare faced lie.

>> > The technology is not a problem.

>> Bullshit with distributing the hydrogen everywhere at a
>> cost anything like it can be done with the electricity grid.

> Stupid to talk of a kind of cost when plenty of other costs are not
> considered.

Yes, that is more of your terminal stupidity.

> Hydrogen is not just cheap, it is free as water contains hydrogen.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

It isn't free tio get it out of the water, fuckwit.

> Then the renewables are free.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> The HTN is very rugged,

More bare faced lying.

> very flexible with organic growth.

More bare faced lying.

> Once on, it will last for ages.

More bare faced lying.

> Hydrogen piping has been around for many decades.

At a stupid cost compared with the electricity grid.

> It has to take off in a big way, with the need for hydrogen to be
> universal.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> Even a stupid curry muncher should have noticed that
>> there has to be a hell of a lot more metal and pumps
>> involved with distributing hydrogen than with electricity.

> No,

Fraid so.

> Research papers show that piping energy with hydrogen is about as
> expensive as doing that by high voltage transmisdion..

Just because some fool clains something. With the amount
of metal used alone, that is a bare faced lie and even a stupid
lying curry muncher should have noticed that there are no
pumps involved with high voltage transmisdion..

> This subject has been studied for decades.

And no one has actually been stupid enough to piss
their money against the wall on even a single HTN.

> The oil companies are dead against it,

And so is anyone who has to pay for an HTN.

> The lossless HTN

Another bare faced lie with the leaks and hydrogen used for pumping.

> will be much cheaper

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> and more productive and reliable in the long run.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> It will be designed to not leak.

Not even possible with hydrogen.

>> > ********************************
>> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
>> > elected.
>> > ********************************

>> Taint gunna happen, even Albo aint that stupid.

> If he was a bit clever, he could start a large pilot project on an
> island and done the costing on an overall basis.

Taint gunna happen, even Albo aint that stupid.

>> >> > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
>>
>> >> No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
>> >> it to everywhere compared with electricity.
>> > The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve theproblem of transport
>> > and storage in one stroke.
>> Bullshit it will at anything even remotely like the
>> cost of the electricity grid which is already there.

The HTN will start in areas where there is no grid.

No chance.

> Like islands, littoral areas.

Where there is no need for any HTN, stupid.

> Once it is established and a great success,

Where it is useless in fact.

> it will take off like aeroplanes, computers and mobiles.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher fantasyland.

> It will coexist with the grid,

Nope, it aint gunna happen, because of the stupid cost.

> taking surplus power from it, and giving it power.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> All to do with load balancing to begin with,

Nope, we have the Snowy system for that.

> then extending its reach to out the battery cars and the oil cars.

No chance.

> All hydrogen, in about 200 years.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher fantasyland.

Not even possible to do mobile phones, laptops etc etc etc with hydrogen,
fool.

>> > htnresearch.com gives details, includingthe patent application and
>> > patent.
>>
>> Pity about the cost and the fact that the grid is already there.
>
> The grid is not already there where it is not there.

No point in an HTN there, because there is no one there, fool.

> the HTN will complement the grid

Nope, no one will be stupid enough to build one, you watch.

> before replacing that ugly, lossy, unreliable thing.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher fantasyland.

> It is a matter of recreating the existing gas network this time making
> better pipes that can carry hydrogen. They already exist.

At a stupid cost. Taint gunna happen.

>> > Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
>> >
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
>> And everyone just yawned and pointer and made screwing
>> gestures at their head when you spruiked that useless shit.

> I chaired the session and my paper was well regarded and appreciated.

Easy to claim.

> The audience were mainly Arabic,

So completely irrelevant.

> and they listened with interest.

Easy to claim...

>> > It is a new idea,

>> A completely impractical one, stupid.

> People who are smart, qualfied chemical engineers, have supported this.

Nope, no one has been stupid enough to build one.

> It is highly needed, but being extraordinarilyhuge in scope, needs
> political approval.

Nope, anyone is free to piss their money against
the wall on one and no one is actually that stupod.

> Or a very rich sponsor with vision. That is the most likely way.

Taint gunna happen, you watch.

>> >> > and will happen when the HTN happens.
>>
>> >> That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
>>
>> > No,
>> Fraid so.

> Pipes and valves and storage tanks are not that expensive.

Much more expensive than the electricity grid.

> They will comprise the HTN, with monitoring equipment.
> Being reliably rugged and lossless,

That is a bare faced lie.

> it will require less maintenance being weather resistant.

Another lie with the pumps.

> No transformers to bliw up,

Pity about the pumps and the lines blowing up.

> or lines blocked by snow or storm.

We can bury the grid, but aren't stupid enough to piss
all that money against the wall doing that.

>> > only a few billion dollars or so,

>> BULLSHIT.

> most of the billions will be on labour which means jobs.

We don't need jobs, we have the lowest unemployment rate
in twenty fucking years and have a hell of a job getting enough
monkeys to even flog you some coffee or man a polling booth.

> New towns based on hydrogen

Taint gunna happen.

> will need billions for development, but they will be worth a lot more.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher fantasyland.

> Great business.

Just anothere of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher
fantasys.

>> > then it will be self-supporting with the vast amount of revenue
>> coming in
>> > from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
>> > creating unlimited jobs feeding many
>> > services.
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>> > It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner.
>> Bullshit.
>> > It will provide unlimited energy everywhere,
>> That is a bare faced lie.
>
> it will providevthe free energy from renewables to all everywhere for
> all time to come.

Just anothere of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken curry muncher
fantasys.

>> > as green as can be.
>> Bullshit with all that metal used.
>
> Fool, the energy used will be mostly renewable, even to make the metal.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> In the next few hundred years, hydrogen from coal will also be there.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> > With energy everywhere, there will be use of it,from construction to
>> > refrigeration to transport.
>>
>> We already have that, we call it electricity,
>> at a MUCH lower distribution network cost.
>
> Electricity will always be there.
> We will get more of it, with the hydrogen economy.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> The grid will be there to complement the HTN, till it gets replaced in
> say 200 years.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Cars will run not on batteries but with hydrogen and fuel cells running
> electric motors.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> > Oil will be phased out.
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
>> drunken curry muncher fantasys with aircraft
>> alone. They aint going nowhere, you watch.

> It is a question of time, oil companyPatience will win.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Oil in planes creates climate imbalances.
> It is most necessary to replace the engines.
> CO2 at 12000m is disastrous.
> The Germans are building hydride motors.

Not for heavy aircraft they aren't, liar.

>> > Great news, that, for everyone even theoil companies if they start to
>> > switch tohydrogen economy using their capital.
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug
>> crazed drunken curry muncher fantasys.

>> > Oil will be the backup,
>> Nope, what will continue to be used with aircraft
>> particularly because there is no viable alternative.

> There are hydride engines

Not for heavy aircraft there aren't, liar.

> and that is just the beginning.
> New technology is unstoppable,

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> may take world wars though.

There won't be any more of those, you watch.