On Sat, 21 May 2022 07:12:29 +1000, dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My reasonable conclusion as a "proposition of power which is assertedby
> a larger population having a prevalence of a sexual disease"

Try that again in english, even google translate doesnt do gobbledegook
yet.

> is a natural intuition drawn from the historical context itself.

Ditto.

> Which then doesn't need a coerced justification of gender based political
> diatribe.

You wouldn't know what a gender based political diatribe was if it bit you
on your lard arse.

> It's much like asking if Boris was teleported to 18 century London would
> he
> have girded loins and be of sound mind since he has a "Let them eat cake"
> attitude...

Bullshit he has.

> YOUTUBE: "Let Them Eat Cake - The Pox"
>
> <https://youtu.be/5yWJKi0UOwQ>

Just because some fool claims something...

> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't need to reply further because you ignored the historical
>>> context of
>>> a Syphilis pandemic would obviously have such a reasoned cause as
>>> probably known to Freud ...
>>>
>>> And I won't pander to your narcissistic self justification--you were in
>>> error.
>>>
>>> I posited that the "Victorian sexual morality" was a response to the
>>> historical reality that reasonably some 60 - 80% of Londoners within
>>> the
>>> 18th century might have a sexually transmitted disease.
>>
>> And we know from Captain Cook's travel diaries that there wasn't
>> sufficient
>> medical supplies on the ship to treat the rampant sexual diseases
>> amongst
>> the sailors and throughout the pacific islands who prostituted even
>> their
>> wives.
>>
>>>
>>> That was the basis of my claim a "vagina with teeth" is a proposition
>>> of
>>> power which is asserted by a larger population having a prevalence of
>>> disease
>>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely Sigmund Freud was a student of history
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> It might be more correct to suggest that the VICTORIAN(20 June 1837 –
>>>>> 22 Jan 1901) era attitudes are a responseto the sexual disease and
>>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. Just read
>>>> Lock, Joan. Scotland Yard Casebook (p. 204). Lume Books.
>>>> Interesting that quite a few of the toffs were into quite literally
>>>> whipping and torturing children in organised events. Hard
>>>> to see that that could be due to the sexual disease and
>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>
>>>>> If one in five persons within London had Syphilis and a far greater
>>>>> number had gonorrhea or chlamydia then it is reasonable to
>>>>> concludethat
>>>>> between 3 / 5th (60%) to 4 / 5th (80%) percent of the population
>>>>> possessed a long term venereal disease and such professional
>>>>> knowledge
>>>>> would no doubt have permeated amongst the intelligentsia as to view a
>>>>> "more rigorous form of Victorian sexual morality than England" as
>>>>> being
>>>>> prudent.
>>>>
>>>> The reality is that Victorian sexual morality
>>>> was much more just a fascade than reality.
>>>>
>>>>> Freud lived and worked in Vienna, having set up his clinical practice
>>>>> there in 1886. In 1938, Freud left Austria to escape Nazi
>>>>> persecution.
>>>>> He died in exile in the United Kingdom in 1939--It is not for me to
>>>>> extrapolate or research whether his association with the UK was
>>>>> before
>>>>> 1938 entirely non-existent.
>>>>
>>>> But it is clear from his biographys that before 1938 entirely
>>>> non-existent.
>>>>
>>>>> His Five Lectures on Psychoanalysis and Civilization and its
>>>>> Discontents
>>>>> belong to two distinct phases of Freud’s thought—a thought which was
>>>>> always changing, expanding, and being revised , and which has as many
>>>>> discontinuities as continuities. Both texts rest written from Freud’s
>>>>> basic psychoanalytic perspective; each reflects the general
>>>>> *historical*, philosophical, and scientific movements in which Freud
>>>>> found himself when he developed psychoanalysis.
>>>>
>>>>> Freud’s Austria of the second half of the nineteenth century was
>>>>> characterized by an even more rigorous form of Victorian sexual
>>>>> morality
>>>>> than England, whose sexual delicacy and frigidity is often
>>>>> caricatured.
>>>>
>>>> Even that isn't clear at all.
>>>>
>>>>> This rigorous sexual morality did not, however,prevent Victorians
>>>>> from
>>>>> speaking about sexuality.
>>>>
>>>> And doing it with children in spades.
>>>>
>>>>> The large, urban, professional middle class—the bourgeoisie—had an
>>>>> intense moral preoccupation with sexuality, particularly in women and
>>>>> children. Their sexual interests, and sexual knowledge, were
>>>>> understood
>>>>> to be naturally limited; however, in the case of exceptions, this
>>>>> interest and knowledge were carefully regulated.
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>>> Young women were expected to be chaste before marriage;
>>>>
>>>> Nothing unusual about that.
>>>>
>>>>> and the private sexual experimentation of children and
>>>>> adolescents—for
>>>>> example, masturbation—were assiduously suppressed.
>>>>
>>>> Thats bullshit with the dregs of their society.
>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, a *growing* *knowledge* *of* *sexual* *diseases*,
>>>>> *like*
>>>>> *syphilis*, created, in the public mind, an association between
>>>>> *sexual*
>>>>> *promiscuity* *and* *catastrophic* *epidemics*. Sexuality not only
>>>>> needed to be regulatedby personal morality, or by the vigilance of
>>>>> the
>>>>> family, but, since it could affect entire populations, was a
>>>>> political
>>>>> and social concern.
>>>>
>>>> But the reality is that raping of children and servants was rife.
>>>>
>>>>> At the same time the nascent field of sexology was developing. A
>>>>> number
>>>>> of medical researchers, like Havelock Ellis and Richard von
>>>>> Krafft-Ebing—whom Feud knew and who publicly commented on one of
>>>>> Freud’s
>>>>> earliest papers—gave detailed and meticulous accounts of the forms
>>>>> and
>>>>> varieties of sexual behaviors and identities, regardless of their
>>>>> rarity
>>>>> or apparent perversity.
>>>>
>>>> And with Ellis, showed that it was nothing even remotely like rare.
>>>>
>>>>> They also tried to connect facts about sexuality to other facts,
>>>>> which
>>>>> had no self-evident relationship to sexuality; they asked, for
>>>>> example,
>>>>> how sexuality relates to class,
>>>>
>>>> It was well known that the dregs fucked like rabbits and
>>>> that abortion was rife.
>>>>
>>>>> or how sexuality relates to criminality.
>>>>
>>>> Thats more complicated given that what was illegal changed so much.
>>>>
>>>>> The late nineteenth century was, therefore, characterized by an
>>>>> interesting constellation of trends: a personal, familial, and
>>>>> political
>>>>> regulation of sexuality, on the one hand, and a proliferation of
>>>>> scientific writing which showed how that problematic sexuality
>>>>> nevertheless had a secure and extensive place in human nature,
>>>>
>>>> Corse it did.
>>>>
>>>>> on the other hand. This constellation served as an auspicious context
>>>>> for Freud to develop his theories. Freud described how all kinds of
>>>>> unusual, or “perverse,” sexual desires dominate the mind—in
>>>>> children, in
>>>>> neurotic adults, but also in normal adults. Freud also showed how the
>>>>> mind finds itself in an irrevocable conflict with its own sexuality:
>>>>> how
>>>>> it fears its sexuality, and tries to avoid and eliminate it, or, most
>>>>> importantly, how it tries to forget it, or remove it from conscious
>>>>> awareness.
>>>>
>>>> Thats silly with the dregs of society that just got on with fucking
>>>> like
>>>> rabbits.
>>>>
>>>>> For Freud, this meant that unusual, “perverse” sexuality had a
>>>>> peculiar
>>>>> fate. Regulated by morality, removed from conscious awareness, but
>>>>> still
>>>>> very much extant, it became “unconscious”: no longer under the
>>>>> control
>>>>> of a person’s self-conscious and voluntary choices, it manifested in
>>>>> a
>>>>> person’s involuntary actions, like mistakes and slips of the
>>>>> tongues, as
>>>>> well as in mental pathologies, like obsession, paranoia, hysteria,
>>>>> and
>>>>> anxiety.
>>>>
>>>> That is all just another mindless wank.
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/writings-sigmund-freud/context>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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