dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> My reasonable conclusion was a "proposition of power which is asserted
>>> by a larger population having a prevalence of a sexual disease"

>> Try that again in english, even google translate doesnt do
>> gobbledegook yet.

> Which word beyond "is" was too difficult for you?

The entire sentence is a steaming meaningless turd.

>>> is a natural intuition drawn from the historical context itself.

>> Ditto.

>>> Which then doesn't need a coerced justification of gender based
>>> political
>>> diatribe.

>> You wouldn't know what a gender based political diatribe was if it bit
>> you on your lard arse.

>>> It's much like asking if Boris was teleported to 18 century London
>>> would he
>>> have girded loins and be of sound mind since he has a "Let them eat
>>> cake"
>>> attitude...

>> Bullshit he has.

> I cannot ignore this wilful stupidity since here is evidence that Boris
> has a "Let them eat cake" attitude:

Bullshit he has.

> "Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured holding up a birthday cake as he
> visits Bovingdon Primary Academy in Hertfordshire, a few hours before he
> received another cake back in London"
>
> <https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15D22/production/_122987398_50022889771_54db72f28e_c.jpg>
>
> ACTUAL NEWS ARTICLE:
>
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60121572>

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>>> YOUTUBE: "Let Them Eat Cake - The Pox"
>>>
>>> <https://youtu.be/5yWJKi0UOwQ>

>> Just because some fool claims something...

>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't need to reply further because you ignored the historical
>>>>> context of
>>>>> a Syphilis pandemic would obviously have such a reasoned cause as
>>>>> probably known to Freud ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And I won't pander to your narcissistic self justification--you were
>>>>> in
>>>>> error.
>>>>>
>>>>> I posited that the "Victorian sexual morality" was a response to the
>>>>> historical reality that reasonably some 60 - 80% of Londoners within
>>>>> the
>>>>> 18th century might have a sexually transmitted disease.
>>>>
>>>> And we know from Captain Cook's travel diaries that there wasn't
>>>> sufficient
>>>> medical supplies on the ship to treat the rampant sexual diseases
>>>> amongst
>>>> the sailors and throughout the pacific islands who prostituted even
>>>> their
>>>> wives.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That was the basis of my claim a "vagina with teeth" is a
>>>>> proposition of
>>>>> power which is asserted by a larger population having a prevalence of
>>>>> disease
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Surely Sigmund Freud was a student of history
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It might be more correct to suggest that the VICTORIAN(20 June
>>>>>>> 1837 –
>>>>>>> 22 Jan 1901) era attitudes are a responseto the sexual disease and
>>>>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. Just read
>>>>>> Lock, Joan. Scotland Yard Casebook (p. 204). Lume Books.
>>>>>> Interesting that quite a few of the toffs were into quite literally
>>>>>> whipping and torturing children in organised events. Hard
>>>>>> to see that that could be due to the sexual disease and
>>>>>> deprivations of the age prior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If one in five persons within London had Syphilis and a far greater
>>>>>>> number had gonorrhea or chlamydia then it is reasonable to
>>>>>>> concludethat
>>>>>>> between 3 / 5th (60%) to 4 / 5th (80%) percent of the population
>>>>>>> possessed a long term venereal disease and such professional
>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>> would no doubt have permeated amongst the intelligentsia as to
>>>>>>> view a
>>>>>>> "more rigorous form of Victorian sexual morality than England" as
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> prudent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reality is that Victorian sexual morality
>>>>>> was much more just a fascade than reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freud lived and worked in Vienna, having set up his clinical
>>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>> there in 1886. In 1938, Freud left Austria to escape Nazi
>>>>>>> persecution.
>>>>>>> He died in exile in the United Kingdom in 1939--It is not for me to
>>>>>>> extrapolate or research whether his association with the UK was
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> 1938 entirely non-existent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it is clear from his biographys that before 1938 entirely
>>>>>> non-existent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His Five Lectures on Psychoanalysis and Civilization and its
>>>>>>> Discontents
>>>>>>> belong to two distinct phases of Freud’s thought—a thought which
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> always changing, expanding, and being revised , and which has as
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> discontinuities as continuities. Both texts rest written from
>>>>>>> Freud’s
>>>>>>> basic psychoanalytic perspective; each reflects the general
>>>>>>> *historical*, philosophical, and scientific movements in which
>>>>>>> Freud
>>>>>>> found himself when he developed psychoanalysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freud’s Austria of the second half of the nineteenth century was
>>>>>>> characterized by an even more rigorous form of Victorian sexual
>>>>>>> morality
>>>>>>> than England, whose sexual delicacy and frigidity is often
>>>>>>> caricatured.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even that isn't clear at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This rigorous sexual morality did not, however,prevent Victorians
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> speaking about sexuality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And doing it with children in spades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The large, urban, professional middle class—the bourgeoisie—had an
>>>>>>> intense moral preoccupation with sexuality, particularly in women
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> children. Their sexual interests, and sexual knowledge, were
>>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>> to be naturally limited; however, in the case of exceptions, this
>>>>>>> interest and knowledge were carefully regulated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Young women were expected to be chaste before marriage;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing unusual about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the private sexual experimentation of children and
>>>>>>> adolescents—for
>>>>>>> example, masturbation—were assiduously suppressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats bullshit with the dregs of their society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additionally, a *growing* *knowledge* *of* *sexual* *diseases*,
>>>>>>> *like*
>>>>>>> *syphilis*, created, in the public mind, an association between
>>>>>>> *sexual*
>>>>>>> *promiscuity* *and* *catastrophic* *epidemics*. Sexuality not only
>>>>>>> needed to be regulatedby personal morality, or by the vigilance
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> family, but, since it could affect entire populations, was a
>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>> and social concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the reality is that raping of children and servants was rife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the same time the nascent field of sexology was developing. A
>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>> of medical researchers, like Havelock Ellis and Richard von
>>>>>>> Krafft-Ebing—whom Feud knew and who publicly commented on one of
>>>>>>> Freud’s
>>>>>>> earliest papers—gave detailed and meticulous accounts of the forms
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> varieties of sexual behaviors and identities, regardless of their
>>>>>>> rarity
>>>>>>> or apparent perversity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with Ellis, showed that it was nothing even remotely like rare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They also tried to connect facts about sexuality to other facts,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> had no self-evident relationship to sexuality; they asked, for
>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>> how sexuality relates to class,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was well known that the dregs fucked like rabbits and
>>>>>> that abortion was rife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or how sexuality relates to criminality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats more complicated given that what was illegal changed so much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The late nineteenth century was, therefore, characterized by an
>>>>>>> interesting constellation of trends: a personal, familial, and
>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>> regulation of sexuality, on the one hand, and a proliferation of
>>>>>>> scientific writing which showed how that problematic sexuality
>>>>>>> nevertheless had a secure and extensive place in human nature,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corse it did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on the other hand. This constellation served as an auspicious
>>>>>>> context
>>>>>>> for Freud to develop his theories. Freud described how all kinds of
>>>>>>> unusual, or “perverse,” sexual desires dominate the mind—in
>>>>>>> children, in
>>>>>>> neurotic adults, but also in normal adults. Freud also showed how
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mind finds itself in an irrevocable conflict with its own
>>>>>>> sexuality: how
>>>>>>> it fears its sexuality, and tries to avoid and eliminate it, or,
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> importantly, how it tries to forget it, or remove it from conscious
>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats silly with the dregs of society that just got on with fucking
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> rabbits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Freud, this meant that unusual, “perverse” sexuality had a
>>>>>>> peculiar
>>>>>>> fate. Regulated by morality, removed from conscious awareness, but
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> very much extant, it became “unconscious”: no longer under the
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> of a person’s self-conscious and voluntary choices, it manifested
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> person’s involuntary actions, like mistakes and slips of the
>>>>>>> tongues, as
>>>>>>> well as in mental pathologies, like obsession, paranoia, hysteria,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> anxiety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is all just another mindless wank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/content/writings-sigmund-freud/context>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>