On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't believe
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être' for
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>
>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.

> It never was

Wrong.

> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles

No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
principles apart from a few like marriage etc.

> and has been a group of killers for centuries,

Just like most religions.

> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing

That's wrong too.

> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.

Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.

>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>> together."
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>
>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>>
>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.

> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.

Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.

>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.

> That may be or just a lover.

Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.

>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil;
>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is
>>>>> saved."
>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>
>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>
>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they
>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>
>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>
>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>
>>>> No such animal.
>>>
>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>
>> Its not that black and white.
>>
>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure
>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in
>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>
>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>
>>> Most do.
>>
>> Irrelevant.
>>
>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to judge a
>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>
>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>
>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>
> OK.