On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>
>>>>> It never was
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>
>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>
>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>
>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>
>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>
>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>
>>> even the Popes title,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>
>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>
>>> Then there is communion.
>>
>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>
>>> Theh list goes on.
>>
>> Bullshit it does.
>>
>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>
>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>
>>> And that of atheist.
>>
>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>
>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>
>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>> to how things are done like collectives etc.

> They are so much like theist.

Bullshit.

> Atheist have killed many millions.

Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.

>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>
>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>
>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>
>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>
>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.

> No because they are Child abusers.

It is far from clear why they are burned.

>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation…
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>
>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>
>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>
>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>
>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>
>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>
>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.

> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
> pill....

Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.

> I see...

Nope, you never do.

>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is
>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which
>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their
>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the
>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK.