On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>
>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>
>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>
>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>
>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>
>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>
>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>
>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>
>>> They are so much like theist.
>>
>> Bullshit.

> To murder is to murder.

> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.

But not because they weren't atheists.

> So much like a theist.

Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..

>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>
>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>
> So you claim.

So we know.

> Yet look at who and why they murdered.

When you do that, you discover that those that ended
up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.

>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>
>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>
>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>
>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>
>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>
> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do.
>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>>>
>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>
>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>> pill....
>>
>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>
> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?

Nope.

> Now that is bullshit.

Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?

>>> I see...
>>
>> Nope, you never do.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is
>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which
>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK.