On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>
>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>
>> To murder is to murder.
>
>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>
>But not because they weren't atheists.

So you claim.
>
>> So much like a theist.
>
>Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..

Atheist States have murdered millions.
>
>>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>>
>>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>>
>> So you claim.
>
>So we know.
>
>> Yet look at who and why they murdered.
>
>When you do that, you discover that those that ended
>up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
>they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.

Like the Democrats in the USA or leftist?
>
>>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>>
>>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>>
>>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>>
>> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.
>
>You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

This is a subject I do know about.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>>
>>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>>> pill....
>>>
>>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>>
>> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?
>
>Nope.

Then did you have a valid point?

>
>> Now that is bullshit.
>
>Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>
>>>> I see...
>>>
>>> Nope, you never do.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is
>>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which
>>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for God"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK.