On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:26:57 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>>
>>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> To murder is to murder.
>>
>>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>>
>> But not because they weren't atheists.
>
> So you claim.

So history proves.

>>> So much like a theist.
>>
>> Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..
>
> Atheist States have murdered millions.

Theist states have murdered far more.

>>>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>>>
>>>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> So you claim.
>>
>> So we know.
>>
>>> Yet look at who and why they murdered.
>>
>> When you do that, you discover that those that ended
>> up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
>> they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.

> Like the Democrats in the USA or leftist?

The Democrats in the USA or leftists have done nothing of the sort.

The problem in the USA is morbid obesity, stupid.

>>>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>>>
>>>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>>>
>>>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>>>
>>> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.
>>
>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> This is a subject I do know about.

Bullshit it is. As always you don't have a fucking clue about it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>>>
>>>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>>>> pill....
>>>>
>>>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?
>>
>> Nope.

> Then did you have a valid point?

Even more pathetic than you usually manage.

>>> Now that is bullshit.
>>
>> Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>>
>>>>> I see...
>>>>
>>>> Nope, you never do.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK.