On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 05:20:29 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 03:51:22 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 11:52:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:26:57 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> To murder is to murder.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not because they weren't atheists.
>>>>
>>>> So you claim.
>>>
>>> So history proves.
>
>> No
>
>Fraid so.

Sorry, you are wrong.
>
>> some atheist are just as fanatic about their beliefs as the theist.
>
>But they don't actually kill theists because they are theists.

Liar.
>
>> That and many are just as much a bunch of idiots. Want proof
>> go read "alt.atheism".
>
>Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about how
>many atheists HAVE KILLED because they are theists.

Look into USSR history.

>
>>>>>> So much like a theist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..
>>>>
>>>> Atheist States have murdered millions.
>>>
>>> Theist states have murdered far more.
>>
>> That is not the point
>
>Corse it is with your stupid pig ignorant claim
>that atheists have killed more than theists.

I never said more. that is you lying.
>
>> and thanks for admitting my point.
>
>You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

Truth hurts the atheist freaks.
>
>So much for your bare faced lie that you are good at what you do.
>
>>>>>>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we know.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet look at who and why they murdered.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you do that, you discover that those that ended
>>>>> up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
>>>>> they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.
>>>
>>>> Like the Democrats in the USA or leftist?
>>>
>>> The Democrats in the USA or leftists have done nothing of the sort.
>>
>> Yes they do.
>
>Bullshit they do.

Yes they take from hard working people to give to freeloaders, they
buy votes. Much like the socialist of Venezuela.
>
>>> The problem in the USA is morbid obesity, stupid.
>
>> That is a problem true.
>
>That is THE problem with FOOD in the USA, fuckwit.

You generalize a little to much for some backwoods idiot from a
second rate country. Most people in OZ on the left have the mental
ability of Dolf, you and Dolf are the average Aussie.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>
>>>> This is a subject I do know about.
>>>
>>> Bullshit it is. As always you don't have a fucking clue about it.
>>
>> You've been brainwashed
>
>Nope, never had anything to do with any brainwashing operation, fuckwit.

You wouldn't know but it does show.
>
>> and have shown ignorance to a high degree.
>
>You are projecting, as always.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception
>>>>>>>>>> rule.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>>>>>>> pill....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> Then did you have a valid point?
>>>
>>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage.
>>
>> Then your answer is NO.
>
>Even more pathetic than you usually manage.
>
>>>>>> Now that is bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, you never do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.