On 24/05/2022 7:06 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 24/05/2022 9:33 am, John_H wrote:
>> lindsay wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2022 7:28 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>> On 22/05/2022 12:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/5/2022 11:53 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/05/2022 6:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How good is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all good, it's the moderate Libs that have gone, the party will
>>>>>>> move to the right probably with "Spud" Dutton as leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree not a good result overall but good in my electorate in that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was a 2.8% swing to the Liberals, Labor still won the seat but with a
>>>>>> reduced margin which has to be a good thing, we won't be taken for
>>>>>> granted anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same here in Issacs.. 4.5% swing away from Mr Photo-op Dreyfus? May
>>>>> actually have to do *something* to earn his keep next time around.
>>>>> Just
>>>>> for something to do, mind you.
>>>>>
>>>>> My only concerns are
>>>>>
>>>>> 1: Can albo handle the chinese (lower case). Granted scomo didnt light
>>>>> the world on fire, what with demanding some cunt in china remove a pic
>>>>> of an aus solider preparing to slit a childs throat. He got trolled
>>>>> bad
>>>>> there and reacted poorly... But he did stick to his guns when china
>>>>> handed a list of 14 things we would have to to to be friends with a
>>>>> bunch of bat eating cunts... As I cough my guts out again...)
>>>>
>>>> The Happy Clapper upset China when he sided with the Pussy Grabber in
>>>> demanding an enquiry into Covid's origins, based on the conspiracy
>>>> theory that it was released deliberately, for which there's not a
>>>> shred of credible evidence (then or now).
>>>
>>> I thought this went back further, like when we told Huwaei(?) they wont
>>> be participating on the build of the %g Network because of % Eyes fears?
>>
>> They weren't happy but they accepted it and didn't retaliate at that
>> point.  Morrison backing Trump's line is what really pissed 'em off,
>> IIRC they penalised some of our imports shortly after and their govt
>> officials refused to talk to our lot.  Whatever the trigger point
>> diplomacy was never Morrison's strong point and he never made the
>> slightest attempt to cool the relationship down.
>>>
>>>>> 2: will the purchase of nuclear powered subs go ahead, if the Labor
>>>>> party needs the Green vote to move forward. (shudder: I can still hear
>>>>> Juliar spouting that..."Moving forward..." and doing her Karate
>>>>> chop in
>>>>> the press gallery) I would imagine the Greens would leave us
>>>>> defenceless.
>>>>
>>>> We're already way behind on defence (no armed drones, no long range
>>>> missiles, etc) which isn't likely to change anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Maybe not now, but
>>> https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/joint/new-missile-strike-capabilities-announced
>>>
>>
>> What's it's range and accuracy?  Apparently the Russian's can lob
>> missiles on strategic targets from a long way off as they've
>> demonstrated in Ukraine.
>
> RAAF:  From the link above: "“The JASSM-ER will enable the FA-18F Super
> Hornet, and in future the F-35A Lightning II, to engage targets at a
> range of 900km.”
>
> Same missile, different designation:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158C_LRASM

That's a big heavy missile, i wonder what it would do to the range of an
FA-18, of course on a Poseidon it would be a different matter all together.

> RAN: the Naval Strike Missile is apparently good for around 200k
> depending on it's strike profile... yet it seems the above missile can
> be stuffed into a MK-41 VLS.
>
> and Tomahawks
> :https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42408/australia-to-buy-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-will-get-at-least-eight-nuclear-submarines
>
>
> Then this:
> https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/indo-pacific-2022/2022/05/australia-to-upgrade-collins-submarines-with-tomahawk-missiles/
>
>
> How much of all this is true, I dont know, I'm just an interested observer.
>
>>>>> 3: I've yet to see what Labours defence policy looks like. Did they
>>>>> offer bipartisan support for AUKUS, and the purchase of nuclear
>>>>> powered
>>>>> subs?
>>>>
>>>> Labor supports AUKUS however we'd be getting nuclear subs much sooner
>>>> if the Happy Clapper had stuck with the French who could've supplied
>>>> same.  The real problem is that all parties (including the Libs) have
>>>> a ban on Australian based nuclear power.  The difference being the
>>>> AUKUS subs' reactors are supposed to last the life of the sub.
>>>
>>> Not too sure how the french subs would have worked now. They, like the
>>> Collins class, dont have the endurance to operate for weeks/months in
>>> the South china Sea. Nuclear powered french subs? They would need to
>>> integrate the US fire control system to utilise the MK 48 torpedo. As
>>> they would have with a diesel/elec boat.. France dont use the MK48, so I
>>> wonder if there was some issue there with the US giving France the info?
>>
>> We were quite happy with their diesel subs until the AUKUS deal came
>> up  (presumably they had the same constraints).  IOW they probably
>> stuffed up with the diesel subs which doesn't say much for our defence
>> planning capabilities.
>
> Nothing ever does..  eg *Seaprites*? NH-90's? HMAS Manoora? They have form!
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the Greens defence policy, for that matter. Trev?
>>>>
>>>> Rubber band guns probably!  But who gives an FF since they're unlikely
>>>> to be able to form any sort of alliance with Labor after the last
>>>> experience with the Ranga.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see Australia's defence means a lot to me, coz without it,
>>>>> the rest of the crap is moot.
>>>>
>>>> Stated Lib policy was to *increase* it to 2% of GST if re-elected.
>>>> USA spends 3.5%, Russia spends 4%.
>>
>> Bugger, I meant GDP.
>
> I got it.. :)
>
>>> I thought we were at 2.2% now.
>>
>> Should've put that in past tense (it's been a while since I read it).
>> It's been below 2% in fairly recent times and a mere token increase
>> does bugger all for our capabilities....
>> https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=AU
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not interested in female quotas in politics, I'm not interested
>>>>> foreign ministers who says " I'd make a great foreign minister,
>>>>> because
>>>>> I have cred" (in debate with Marise Payne) apparently because she's of
>>>>> asian decent gives her that "cred" , because I'm fucked if i know how
>>>>> you get "cred" as a *shadow* foreign minister doing fuck all ...!)
>>>>
>>>> Last Liberal Foreign Minister with cred was Julie Bishop whom the
>>>> Happy Clapper shafted.  Arguably the best since Doc Evatt .
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>> I'm only interested in things that matter to me and mine.  Fair chance
>>>>> Australia will be at war with china within 10 years, if not earlier.
>>>>> Depending if Albo and Wong turfs our alliance with USA. He does that?
>>>>> Were sitting ducks. If china invade Taiwan, and USA backs them, so
>>>>> will
>>>>> we, as the terms of our alliance. We dont? No alliance, and we're
>>>>> next.
>>>>> It will all end in tears.. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Your paranoia is showing.  China isn't likely to invade anyone now
>>>> they've seen what's happening to Putrid in Ukraine.  What China mainly
>>>> wants is economic superiority over the US, which also requires a
>>>> superior military capability.  Hopefully neither will use it.
>>>
>>> Fingers x'ed. But we MUST be prepared.
>>
>> We aren't and nor are we likely to be any time soon.  We're entirely
>> dependent on the US coming to our aid and if Trump happens to get
>> re-elected they probably wouldn't.
>
> Trump.. God no!!! Still, if we have a decent stockpile of quality long
> range missiles, and the platforms to deliver them, must give the bat
> eaters something to think about. I still like the idea of a squadron or
> two of B-21's at Amberley.

Hell may freeze over first.

> And look at how the world has helped Ukraine... Would they come to Aus'
> aid in the face of an attack from china? Who knows?
>
>>>> The imminent threat is Russia and in terms of history repeating itself
>>>> it's now 1938.  Putrid has to be stopped, the world can't afford
>>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>   Obummer blew the opportunity when the little green men
>>>> invaded Crimea.
>>>
>>> You have some lovely nicknames.. :-) Xi told Obama they wouldnt
>>> militarise the South china Sea too...
>>
>> Like Putin, Xi lies.  Hopefully Xi isn't as deranged as Putin.
>
> Telling lies is part of a pollies dna. And anyone who changes the rules
> so they can rule as long as they like is obviously dangerous. Power
> corrupts. Longer in power, easier it is...
> .
>>
>> The nicknames aren't mine, most pollies earn those they get....
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGg8D4hFLc&ab_channel=ChristinaHouston
>
> I have several which are un-repeatable here. I dont like pollies of any
> persuasion.
>>
>