On 28/01/2022 09:40, Bob wrote:
> On 2022-01-27 23:16:16 +0000, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk said:
>
>> On 27/01/2022 23:08, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2022 16:45, Bob wrote:
>>>> On 2022-01-27 16:16:36 +0000, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/01/2022 08:19, Bob wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-01-26 21:45:23 +0000, Recliner said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/01/2022 10:10, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 21:35:13 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/01/2022 16:30, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60085498
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The presenter in the video said that he could not indicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would open, though perhaps somebody here is a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more in the know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a tentative opening day?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said previously, they're aiming for March, subject to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> completing the various emergency and evacuation drills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The irony of course is that its probably not really needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> now if WFH continues
>>>>>>>>>>>> to any great extent beyond covid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One question no one has answered - does it count as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the underground?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's been answered many times: No, and not LO either. Despite
>>>>>>>>>>> the name,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's regarded as a network in its own right, at the same
>>>>>>>>>>> level as LU, LO
>>>>>>>>>>> and the DLR. At stations like Stratford, you will see
>>>>>>>>>>> roundels for each of
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More like RER, IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's similar to the RER.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reminds me of a German S-Bahn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, they're main line trains; S-Bahn trains are more lightly
>>>>>>> constructed,
>>>>>>> and often third rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S-Bahn is more of a branding exercise than a meaningful technical
>>>>>> definition. > In most places, S-Bahn branding is applied to urban and
>>>>>> suburban rail services in a city or metropolitan area that are, in
>>>>>> technical terms, simply normal mainline railway trains, operating
>>>>>> on shared infrastructure with the mainline network.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is PATH in New York City and PATCO in Philadelphia, which are
>>>>> S-Bahns as it crosses certain borders, yet stay relatively close to
>>>>> their centres, such as what we might see in Germany as well as here.
>>>>
>>>> In Philadelphia, I would regard the SEPTA heavy rail as more akin to
>>>> an S-Bahn than the PATCO, which is essentailly a fully segregated
>>>> metro.
>>>
>>> SEPTA Regional Rail is most definitely commuter, while the Norristown
>>> Line is still an Interurban.
>>>
>>> Philadelphia has its own subway system, the Broad Street Line and the
>>> Market-Frankford Line, in addition to PATCO.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You need to be careful with the term commuter rail in a North
>>>> American context, as that often is used for systems that are peak
>>>> hours one way only (so trains operate from suburbs to the city in
>>>> the morning and from the city to the suburs in the evening, with no
>>>> other service).
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Metro-North, SEPTA Regional Rail, New Jersey Transit, MBTA Commuter
>>> Rail, the Long Island Rail Road and even CT Rail's Shore Line East
>>> run in both directions off-peak as well as in peak. In fact, some of
>>> these services run almost around the clock, if not around the clock.
>>>
>>> There is also such a thing as reverse commuting.
>>>
>>> Yes, there were some lines that limited their services to peak, such
>>> as CT Rail Shore Line East, and NJT/Metro-North's Pascack Valley
>>> Line, but they've pretty much gone full time.
>>>
>>> MARC does not run weekend service into West Virginia, IIRC.
>>>
>>>> In terms of what is and is not an S-Bahn, there is no clear
>>>> definition as different cities use the term for different things,
>>>> from Berlin where it is practically a metro, to somewhere like
>>>> Dresden where it is little more than branding applied to
>>>> conventional suburban services.
>>>>
>>>>> In Berlin and Hamburg
>>>>>> they use 3rd rail electrification that is otherwise non-standard,
>>>>>> and largely on dedicated lines, but the actual technical standards
>>>>>> to which the trains are built are still UIC compliant.  In that
>>>>>> sense Overground
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what Overground is, to be honest. It seems to be a
>>>>> cross between S-Bahn and RER service, combined with seating from
>>>>> South Africa's Metrorail services.
>>>>
>>>> What distinction are you drawing between S-Bahn and RER?  Asside
>>>> from one being in Paris, and the others being in German speaking
>>>> countries, they are functionally interchangable, with for example,
>>>> the Munich S-Bahn being basically the same in concept as the RER.
>>>>
>>>>>> and Crossrail are both S-Bahn in concept, as is the Paris RER.
>>>>>
>>>>> I consider Crossrail, Thameslink and Moscow's MTsK as well as the
>>>>> new MTsD to be closer to RER.
>>>>
>>>> That begs the question of what distinction you are drawing between
>>>> S-Bahn and RER.
>>>
>>> S-Bahn I normally associate with third-rail, metro-type service,
>>> whereas RER is more OHLE, with higher speeds.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I realise that the Vienna S-Bahn is likely closer
>>> to RER.
>>>
>>
>> I just realised that S-Bahn in Vienna means Schnellbahn, compared with
>> Germany, where it means Stadtbahn
>
> Historically S-Bahn was intended to mean Schnellbahn, but it has come to
> be a term in its own right, with no consistent "meaning".  In most
> places, though, a Stadtbahn is something akin to the Belgian concept of
> a pre-metro, where a tram network has been built out with significant
> off-street running, often in tunnel, and often with high platforms. The
> Manchester Metrolink has a lot of the characteristics of a Stadtbahn.
> It's essentially a half-way house between tram and metro, with some
> characteristics of each.
>
> Robin
>

Is that not what a Stadtbahn is, however?