On 19/02/2022 12:27, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:54, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 11:35, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 11:21, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:29, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:28, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet),
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for the train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet
>>>>>>>>>> received an
>>>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the
>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout
>>>>>>>>> the day and
>>>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has
>>>>>>>>> this evening
>>>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation,
>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment
>>>>>>>>> it may
>>>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that
>>>>>>>>> the train
>>>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast
>>>>>>>>> Railways,
>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate
>>>>>>>>> the tour in
>>>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you,
>>>>>>>>> then you
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to
>>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming
>>>>>>>>> days to
>>>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR,
>>>>>>>>> RTC and
>>>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the
>>>>>>>>> costs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure
>>>>>>>>> many of the
>>>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect some will already be in their hotel without access to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> email and perhaps unaware.  I hope there are not too many
>>>>>>>> disappointments at the departure points tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sort of people who can afford these trips won't have access
>>>>>>> to email
>>>>>>> from their hotels? Seriously?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I went on a day trip with Statesman recently. The demographic was
>>>>> very much
>>>>> in the retired and long retired area. They all had smartphones. The
>>>>> idea
>>>>> that the elderly can’t handle smartphones is fast becoming obsolete.
>>>>
>>>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>>>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all.
>>>> Some
>>>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>>>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So
>>>> it's
>>>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>>>>
>>> I've got a couple of friends with smart phones but they only use them
>>> to make or receive calls.  Don't leave them voice mail as they have
>>> no idea what to do with it.
>>>
>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known
>>> to relatives and close friends.  I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>> commercial organisations.
>>
>> What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies to
>> use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your phone and
>> abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>
> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email addresses.
>
> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique email
> address.

And that's not a hassle to set up?

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