On 19/02/2022 12:54, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 12:27, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 11:54, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 11:35, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:21, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:29, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:28, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yet), and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for the train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet
>>>>>>>>>>> received an
>>>>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of
>>>>>>>>>> the Network
>>>>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout
>>>>>>>>>> the day and
>>>>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has
>>>>>>>>>> this evening
>>>>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation,
>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any
>>>>>>>>>> disappointment it may
>>>>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>> the train
>>>>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast
>>>>>>>>>> Railways,
>>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate
>>>>>>>>>> the tour in
>>>>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm
>>>>>>>>>> date
>>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you,
>>>>>>>>>> then you
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to
>>>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming
>>>>>>>>>> days to
>>>>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR,
>>>>>>>>>> RTC and
>>>>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> costs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>> many of the
>>>>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect some will already be in their hotel without access to
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> email and perhaps unaware.  I hope there are not too many
>>>>>>>>> disappointments at the departure points tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sort of people who can afford these trips won't have access
>>>>>>>> to email
>>>>>>>> from their hotels? Seriously?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I went on a day trip with Statesman recently. The demographic was
>>>>>> very much
>>>>>> in the retired and long retired area. They all had smartphones.
>>>>>> The idea
>>>>>> that the elderly can’t handle smartphones is fast becoming obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>>>>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all.
>>>>> Some
>>>>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>>>>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So
>>>>> it's
>>>>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>>>>>
>>>> I've got a couple of friends with smart phones but they only use
>>>> them to make or receive calls.  Don't leave them voice mail as they
>>>> have no idea what to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known
>>>> to relatives and close friends.  I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>
>>> What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies to
>>> use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your phone
>>> and abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>>
>> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email
>> addresses.
>>
>> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique
>> email address.
>
> And that's not a hassle to set up?

No effort to set up at all.

I have my own domain and the email is set up so "everything else" is
forwarded to one particular email address. I just decide to use
idiots@....... or something on the web form and the rest is done for me.