Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 16:11, Recliner wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 14:05, Recliner wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:14:29 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:27, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <suqh0e$447$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:48 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>>>>> 2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for th
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then
>>>>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the costs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Act of God invoked presumably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two other railtours / charters have managed to run today (19 February),
>>>>>>>> albeit both running rather late:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading to Lincoln:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U68002/2022-02-19/detailed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +137 at Banbury!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and Telford Central to Appleby:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91449/2022-02-19/detaile
>>>>>>>> d#allox_id=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are either of them kettles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, as you can see from RTT, they're diesel-hauled.
>>>>>>
>>>>> According to reports elsewhere, a Class 68 to Lincoln, and a pair of 47s
>>>>> to Appleby and back.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the 47s were identified. I wonder why the 68 was pathed as only a
>>>> 75mph loco? It's the most powerful diesel loco
>>>> in service in the UK, and can easily pull a train like that at 100mph.
>>>
>>> Is the stock cleared for more than 75mph?
>>>
>>
>> Few charters use any stock not capable of 100mph running. Only the British
>> Pullman has a lower limit.
>>
>
> I've often seen Pullmans marshalled in charter sets but thinking about
> it they would have been Mk1s as well.
>

Yes, lots of tarted-up Mk 1, Mk 2 and Mk 3 carriages are labelled as
Pullman, but only the British Pullman set has genuine pre-War carriages
with a lower top speed.

Here's a WCR Mk 1 'Pullman' carriage:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/51226268561/in/album-72157719347934973>

It was nicely appointed inside, but still just a normal Mk 1:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/51227340835/in/album-72157719347934973/>