On 20/02/2022 01:25, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 12:27, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 11:54, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:35, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:21, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:29, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:28, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for the train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> received an
>>>>>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout
>>>>>>>>>>> the day and
>>>>>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has
>>>>>>>>>>> this evening
>>>>>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation,
>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment
>>>>>>>>>>> it may
>>>>>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>> the train
>>>>>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast
>>>>>>>>>>> Railways,
>>>>>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate
>>>>>>>>>>> the tour in
>>>>>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you,
>>>>>>>>>>> then you
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to
>>>>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming
>>>>>>>>>>> days to
>>>>>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR,
>>>>>>>>>>> RTC and
>>>>>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the
>>>>>>>>>>> costs?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>> many of the
>>>>>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suspect some will already be in their hotel without access to
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> email and perhaps unaware.  I hope there are not too many
>>>>>>>>>> disappointments at the departure points tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The sort of people who can afford these trips won't have access
>>>>>>>>> to email
>>>>>>>>> from their hotels? Seriously?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went on a day trip with Statesman recently. The demographic was
>>>>>>> very much
>>>>>>> in the retired and long retired area. They all had smartphones. The
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> that the elderly can’t handle smartphones is fast becoming obsolete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>>>>>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all.
>>>>>> Some
>>>>>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>>>>>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a couple of friends with smart phones but they only use them
>>>>> to make or receive calls.  Don't leave them voice mail as they have
>>>>> no idea what to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known
>>>>> to relatives and close friends.  I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies to
>>>> use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your phone and
>>>> abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>>>
>>> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email addresses.
>>>
>>> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique email
>>> address.
>>
>> And that's not a hassle to set up?
>>
>
> When I used email addresses from my own domain I received email to
> *literally anything* @ that domain. So there was no 'setting up' to use an
> email address, other than typing, say, my-bank@my-domain.blah into the
> appropriate field.
>

Used to be able to do that when I was with Demon. Very useful it was too.

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