Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Toby <toby@nowhere.net.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that vote was entirely voluntary so likely very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biased.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what if it was voluntary. It was voluntary for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia so a direct comparison can be made across the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NSW came up a clear winner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> By a just couple of percent - you lying POS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> for being the biggest opponent to same sex marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Wrong - any opposition was to mindlessly degrading one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>> basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> laws of society, with unforseen consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm actually opposed to same sex marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > More fool you. No reason why poofters cant have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same legal rights in marriage as anyone else if they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > stupid enough to want to do something as stupid as that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my view, same sex relationships shouldn't be promoted
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing same sex marriage isn't promoting same sex
>>>>>>>>>>>> relationships.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because they are against the biological order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So is suicide. So what ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If animals behave homosexually they are regarded as sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deviant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So are nymphomaniacs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and up until the 1970s homosexuality in humans was regarded as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a psychiatric disorder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s mindless pig ignorant bullshit with the ancient greeks
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I believe it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More fool you. Hard to claim that all those ancient greeks were
>>>>>>>>>>>> barking mad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> But it surprises me that NSW is the most socially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> it is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Barely with the same sex marriage attitude.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> as evidenced by both euthanasia and same sex marriage >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attitudes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > You don’t know that they are with the euthanasia issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ALL you actually know is that the state is last to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything > in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > parliament about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> This is due to the obsession that immigrants have with >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sydney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > You don’t know that either. There are in fact even more of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those > in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Melburg.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a shitload more immigrants coming to Sydney than say
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perth or Brisbane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but that isn't true of Melbourne.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason for that is they look to see what the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> populated cities are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its far from clear that that is the reason.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why else would they pick Sydney and Melbourne to emigrate to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because there are more of those who came from where
>>>>>>>>>> they are coming from where they are migrating to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We saw that in my town. Largely due to where italian prisoners of
>>>>>>>>>> war
>>>>>>>>>> were sent during the war, quite a few of them chose to stay here
>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>> the war had ended and that’s why large numbers of italians chose
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> migrate here when they were told about how much better it was
>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>> than where they were coming from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We saw the same thing with sikhs too with a different reason for
>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>> the original sikhs chose to migrate to this town and the north
>>>>>>>>>> coast too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why else would people emigrate to more expensive, polluted,
>>>>>>>>>>> crime-ridden cities with worse weather such as Sydney and
>>>>>>>>>>> Melbourne, instead of Perth, Adelaide or Brisbane?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See above. There is a reason so many vietnamese ended
>>>>>>>>>> up in sydney and so many greeks ended up in melbourne.
>>>>>>>>>> And so many pommy immigrants ended up in adelaide.
>>>>>>>>>> And so many germans ended up in the barossa etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were emigrating to Russia, would you emigrate to Moscow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or some smaller town that you've never heard of?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would inform myself of the various alternatives and choose
>>>>>>>>>>>> the one that looked most likely to appeal to me the most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just with russia either, I'd do the same thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the USA, China, Japan, Canada etc etc etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> They look at the population figures and choose the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> populated >> city
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> to emigrate to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > More mindless bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's possible there is a view amongst prospective immigrants that
>>>>>>>>> Sydney and Melbourne are more immigrant friendly, more
>>>>>>>>> multicultural and more "world" cities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But doesn’t explain the other clusters of migrants outside
>>>>>>>> those two or the poms infesting Adelaide and Perth either.
>>>>>>>> Much more likely they actually choose to go to where
>>>>>>>> there are already lots of their own, particularly given
>>>>>>>> the much higher house prices in sydney and melburg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That’s what has happened with some of the turks/kurds
>>>>>>>> here, tried melburg, found that is impossible to buy a
>>>>>>>> house in melburg, come back here where they grew up
>>>>>>>> and one of them moved into their brand new house built
>>>>>>>> for them a month or two ago and his brother has his own
>>>>>>>> brand new house about half built now. Total price for
>>>>>>>> house and land of about $500K. Not even possible in
>>>>>>>> sydney or melburg anymore and hasn’t been for decades.
>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that all the turks/kurds/italians/sikhs here have
>>>>>> come from quite small towns where they came from. But
>>>>>> that might well be because the prospects for those in those
>>>>>> small towns is so fucked.
>>>>
>>>>> Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane are not small towns. They are large
>>>>> metropolitan capital cities that have their own state governments.
>>>>
>>>> I was talking about the towns that those immigrants have come from.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The reality is that Sydney and Melbourne are actually shitholes,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But have lots of job opportunitys. And
>>>>>>>> even you went to sydney for that reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but I didn't have to do that. I only did that because the
>>>>>>> place I work for has trouble getting people and I wanted to offer my
>>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s a bit hard to believe given the situation in WA jobs wise.
>>>>
>>>>> Due to my health issues my parents have committed to financially
>>>>> support me for the rest of my life, including providing a place to
>>>>> live, so I don't need to take any particular job.
>>>>
>>>> That was a comment about "the place I work for has trouble getting
>>>> people"
>>>>
>>>>> The place I work at, I have worked there before, and they have
>>>>> difficulty getting people with my amount of experience, so I offered
>>>>> my services to them.
>>>>
>>>>> It is a very low pressure job so it is suitable for me in my
>>>>> circumstances. It is a unique situation and generally people do not
>>>>> need to move from WA to Sydney in my field.
>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing wrong with the job stituation in WA.
>>>>
>>>> That’s what I was saying too.
>>>>
>>>>> If you do a normal job, such as doctor, accountant, teacher,
>>>>> tradesmen, etc, you would have no reason to leave WA.
>>>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>>>
>>>>> Only in some unique fields such as media would someone have any
>>>>> pressing need to be in Melbourne and Sydney instead of the smaller
>>>>> capital cities.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The reality is that the only people who like Sydney and Melbourne
>>>>>>> are people who have grown up there because that is all they know.
>>>>
>>>>>> That’s bullshit too. Plenty prefer big citys because they
>>>>>> offer a lot more than the other than big citys provide.
>>>>
>>>>> What does Sydney and Melbourne have that Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane
>>>>> doesn't?
>>>>
>>>> A magnificent harbor in the case of sydney, huge numbers of poofters
>>>> too.
>>
>>> Who cares about the harbour?
>>
>> Anyone who isn't a complete fucking moron.
>>
>>> You see it a few times in your life and that's enough.
>>
>> I saw it daily when I was living there and a few times
>> is nothing like enough.

> Bullshit you saw it daily. No one does that.

I was a primary school kid then and lived very close
to it and always used it after school and on weekends.

> Lived right on the beach in
>> Melburg and wandered around on it most days
>> when I was living there as a primary school kid.

> Perth and Adelaide have beaches,

But nothing like the length of them as Melburg and Sydney.

> so does Gold and Sunshine Coasts.

But Brisbane itself doesn’t.

>> Not so much when I was living there as a high
>> school kid no longer living right on the beach.
>>
>>> I haven't gone there in 2 years and I don't give a shit.
>>
>> Because you are a fucking moron.

> Fuck you.

No thanks, try that with Phil.

>>> How does it benefit anyone to have a large number of poofters?
>>
>> Handy if you are a poofter presumably.
>>
> I don't want to see poofters around the place and neither do a lot of
> people.

But presumably poofters do.

>>>> Most of the majors have their corporate HQs in Sydney or Melburg.
>>
>>> So what,
>>
>> So that’s handy if you prefer that sort of work.
>>
>>> there are companies in the smaller capital cities as well,
>>
>> Nothing like as significant ones.

> They have enough for their population sizes.

Bullshit they do. Have fun listing even one significant one in either of
those.

>>> and those cities have smaller populations so don't need as many jobs, so
>>> it doesn't matter.

>> That last is bullshit, as your employer discovered.

> What are you talking about? I moved to Sydney from WA for a job.

Because your employer had more jobs in sydney, stupid.

There clearly weren't enough in Perth for you.

>>>> Lots more industry in those two too. Lots more burbs
>>>> of your own countrymen too except for poms.
>>
>>> Who cares about suburbs for foreign people?
>>
>> Those who like variety.
>>
> But you are not going to live in those suburbs

Plenty do.

> so how does it help you?

It obviously does if you prefer some variety.

> I want to live somewhere where if I'm lining up somewhere I can turn round
> and actually have a conversation with someone in the line. Rather than the
> person not being able to speak English or their being some other ethnic
> barrier.

No ethnic burb has no english speakers.

>>> How does that help me?

>> It isn't about you.

>>>>> I have lived and worked in Perth, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane, and
>>>>> I can tell you that there is nothing you can get in Melbourne and
>>>>> Sydney that you can't get in the smaller capital cities.
>>
>>>> That’s bullshit with the harbour and poofters.
>>
>>> Who cares about either of those things?
>>
>> Those who aren't complete fools with the harbor.

> So that's all it is: the harbour?

Nope, I gave you a list of all the other stuff it has as well.

> You can fly to Sydney and see it every few years if that's important.

Fuck that, that’s nothing like what its about.

> You don't need to see it more than that.

Even more mindlessly silly than you usually
manage and that’s saying something.

>>> Perth has the beautiful Swan river.
>>
>> Nothing even remotely like sydney harbor.

> It's good enough

Bullshit it is.

> and you wouldnt move to Sydney for the harbour.

More of your mindless bullshit.

>>> Brisbane has the Gold and Sunshine Coasts close by.
>>
>> The gold coast is a steaming turd.
>>
>>> Why would anyone want more poofters in a town?
>>
>> Presumably poofters do.
>>
>>> What else can't you get in the smaller capital cities that you can get
>>> in Syd and Melb?
>>
>> I gave you the list in the other post.
>>
>>> I'm still waiting for an answer.
>>
>> Another bare faced lie.
>>
>>>>> I can understand someone from a non-captial city wanting to go to a
>>>>> capital city, but generally there is no reason to be in Sydney and
>>>>> Melbourne rather than the smaller capital cities.
>>
>>>> That’s bullshit with plenty of jobs.
>>
>>> Population growth stiumlates the economy, so the only reason Syd and
>>> Melb have more jobs is because there is so much immigration to those
>>> cities.
>>
>> Still means lots more jobs.

> If more people emigrated to the smaller captial cities

They aren't that stupid except for the poms.

> there would be more jobs for them.

And when they aren't that stupid, there aren't.

> There are enough jobs for whoever's there.

More of your mindless bullshit.

>>>>> In my opinion, Melbourne and Sydney are worse than the smaller capital
>>>>> cities because of the social fragmenation caused by immigration and
>>>>> ethnic segregation.
>>
>>>> Sure, but that’s what plenty of migrants want.
>>
>>> Yes, but how did the initial favouring of Syd and Melb get started?
>>
>> Some poms decided to do prisons there. Same with Hobart.
>>
>>> The answer is because immigrants look to see what the largest cities are
>>> choose those cities. Simple as that.
>>
>> They actually go where their ethics are and that
>> isn't just those two citys with plenty of the ethics.

> Why did the ethnics originally go to Sydney and Melbourne?

Plenty of them didn’t.

> The answer is that they looked for the most populated cities.

They actually went where the jobs were or where the gold rushes were
happening.

In the case of the italians where the prisoner of war camps were.

Less clear why the sikhs ended up where they did.

>>>>> Syd and Melb are busier, have more traffic, more polluted, more
>>>>> expensive, more densely populated, and people have to travel longer
>>>>> distances to go to work.
>>
>>>> Yes, but plenty choose to live there anyway.
>>
>>>>> The general standard of the smaller capital cities is better too.
>>
>>>> That’s very arguable indeed.
>>
>>> Have you lived in Perth, Adelaide, or Brisbane?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>
> Bullshit you have. Which ones have you lived in?

All of the east coast ones, for years with each.

>>> I have so I know.
>>
>> Like hell you do, you are too stupid to know anything.
>>
>>> You don't know.
>>
>> You are just plain wrong, as always.
>>
>>>>> Sydney and Melbourne just generally look shittier because they are so
>>>>> big and there is less money to go around.
>>
>>>> More bullshit.
>>
>>> Ditto.
>>
>> Ditto.
>>
>>>>>>>> So did a mate of mine from here, even tho I personally bought
>>>>>>>> a very decent 3 bedroom house for $232K in 2016 which they
>>>>>>>> paid for and which they have been renting out. Now worth well
>>>>>>>> over $400K. The rental market here is a tight as a fucking drum
>>>>>>>> even with a huger number of new houses being built every year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are still in sydney because of the jobs and own a very
>>>>>>>> decent unit there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> made worse by the constant influx of immigration, making them more
>>>>>>>>> busy, > socially framented, and requiring longer distances for
>>>>>>>>> people to travel to work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But with far more jobs to choose from.