Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Land ownership in Australia is by way of 'freehold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lease' title,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, no lease involved. You own the land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is called a "freehold lease", because it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lease of Crown land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The monarch owns all the land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** Only applies to Crown Land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest is owned Freehold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.austrade.gov.au/land-tenure/land-tenure/freehold-land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like all residential and most business land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only restriction is on underground mineral and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petroleum rights - the govt owns them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you are Jed Clampett................
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Crown has "superior interest" to all land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else does the government have the ability, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right of the Crown, to compulsorily acquire land?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same way some land which is a small subset of a much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> block of land can be compulsorily acquired by other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the govt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one but the government (the Crown) can compulsoirly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquire land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always. And the govt cant acquire anything it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likes because Liz owns it all either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else can the govt acquire your land?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By legislating that they can do that, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's yours then how can the govt take it off you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless the Crown has superior interest to all land?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By legislating that they can do that, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Queen continues to legally own all the lands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, 32 other members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (around two-thirds) of the Commonwealth, and Antarctica."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Completely silly claim with Antarctica.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some pom fool claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The title we have when we own land is a "freehold" or "fee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple" interest, which goes back to feudal times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Freehold and Leasehold do seem in principle to be about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term ownership, but in reality are both a form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feudal tenure bestowed on us by the Crown. At any point the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crown can take back your land if it is deemed a necessity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't take back and they can take it not because Liz owns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, but because that’s the law, fuckwit. Read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia is a monarchy where ERII is the monarch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a monarchy, the monarch owns all the land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like that, move to a republic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No need, that stupid little german woman doesn’t own
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> During the Second World War the government, acting on behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Crown, seized 11 million acres of British land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compensation was minimal, and in some cases not paid at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one complained. It was wartime."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what our constitution says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.highlandtitles.com/blog/this-land-aint-your-land-part-1/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Noted that you cant actually provide even a single cite that
>>>>>>>>>> substantiates your pig ignorant claim that Liz owns everything
>>>>>>>>>> here or in Antarctica either, just a claim by some fuckwit pom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ditto.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read it and weep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need, I read the constitution which says nothing like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Queen owns your land.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always. In spades with republics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are not a republic, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of those that fool pom claims are owned by Liz are now,
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The interest you have in your land is a form of fuedal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tenure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Queen could take back the land at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always. She has no capacity to do that in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_51(xxxi)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That section of the constitution does not affect the fact the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have a fee simple interest in your land, which is a feudal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tenure over land that the Crown has a superior interest in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If your stupid pig ignorant claim was accurate, and it isn't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> there would be no need for any compensation, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it called 'fee simple' then?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't. Its actually called freehold.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Freehold land (or fee simple) provides people with the most
>>>>>>>>> complete form of ownership of that land, in perpetuity."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.austrade.gov.au/land-tenure/land-tenure/freehold-land
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because some fool shiny bum claims something...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In NSW it is a fee simple interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong, as always. Its actually torrens title freehold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Torrens just means it is kept at a central register and the
>>>>> certificate is proof of title, as opposed to the old English system
>>>>> where you have to prove the chain of ownership.
>>>>
>>>> The word FREEHOLD is what matters, fuckwit.
>>
>>> There is no difference between freehold and fee simple
>>
>> How odd that they have two very difference wikipedia pages, fuckwit.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple
>>
>>>>> It is named after the guy in Adelaide who invented it.
>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what it says on the certificate of title:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I certify that the person described in the First Schedule is the
>>>>>>> registered proprietor on an estate in fee simple (or such other
>>>>>>> estate or interest as set forth in that Schedule)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which just happens to be freehold, fuckwit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you admit it is fee simple.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Its freehold.
>>
>>> There is no difference between freehold and fee simple
>>
>> How odd that they have two very difference wikipedia pages, fuckwit.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple
>>
>>>>> Therefore it is a feudal tenure.
>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Yep. What does fee simple mean then?
>>
>> Its freehold, fuckwit.

> Freehold is a feudal tenure as well, seeing as it's the same as fee
> simple.

No it isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple

>>>>> You have just to have accept that you only have feudal tenure over
>>>>> your land.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I rubbed your stupid nose in the
>>>> fact that I actually have freehold title.
>>
>>> There is no difference between freehold and fee simple.
>>
>> How odd that they have two very difference wikipedia pages, fuckwit.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple

> So what. Doesn't mean they aren't the same thing.

It spells out that they are quite different.

>>>>> The Queen actually owns it.
>>>>
>>>> How odd that you cant actually provide even a single
>>>> cite that substantiates that pig ignorant claim or with
>>>> Antarctica either, just a claim by some fuckwit pom.
>>>>
>>>> There isn't even a bit of paper with the words
>>>> free simple on it in the case of Antarctica, stupid.
>>
>>> The UK, and therefore the British Crown, does claim some parts of
>>> Antarctica.
>>
>> But Liz doesn’t own any of it, fuckwit.
>>
>> And there is no certificate with any words on it either.

> The UK asserted sovereignty over part of Antarctica.

But no one agrees that they own that part,
let alone that stupid little german woman.

> No other country has challenged it.

Wrong, as always.

> That's how claims to uninhabited territories work.

Wrong, as always.

They didn’t even set foot on that bit first.

> How do you think any lands are settled,

The invaders show up and try killing those already there.
Sometimes that works, much more often it doesn’t. With
almost all of what the poms grabbed, they got kicked out
of eventually and don’t own any of it anymore. With some
like Oz, NZ, Canada, India etc they chose to leave before
they were kicked out. And don’t own any of it anymore
apart from a few embassys etc.

> In any case, if that website is wrong about Antarctica, it doesn't mean
> it's wrong about fee simple and freehold being feudal tenure.

But its much more likely that it similarly fucked up the stupid
claim that that stupid little german woman owns it all when
NO ONE except that fool claims she owns it all today.

> This is another website that says that the Crown is the only absolute
> owner of land.

Just because some fool claims something...

> It says that fee simple and freehold are the same,

Its wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple

> and that they derive from feudal tenures.

Irrelevant to the stupid claim that that stupid
little german woman still owns it all.

> They are just an estate in the land and not absolute ownership which only
> the Crown has.

Wrong, as always.

> https://www.fao.org/gender-landrights-database/country-profiles/countries-list/land-tenure-and-related-institutions/prevailing-systems-of-land-tenure/en/?country_iso3=GBR

>>>>>>> in the land within described subject to such exceptions,
>>>>>>> encumberances, interests and entries as appear in the Second
>>>>>>> Schedule and to any additional entries in the Folio of the
>>>>>>> Register."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://propertyregistry.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Certificate-of-title-eg-768x432.png