On 3/12/2021 11:15 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:25:23 +1100, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2021 8:23 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Australian newspaper tried to flagrantly dishonestly shaft me
>>>>>>>>>> and PayPal has just fucked them up the arse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was researching Cleo's abduction 3 weeks ago and found
>>>>>>>>>> that the Australian newspaper had a paid for article that I
>>>>>>>>>> was interested in reading. Only $4 for a 4 week subscription
>>>>>>>>>> so I signed up and set a reminder to cancel before it started
>>>>>>>>>> charging me $40/month for the next 4 weeks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The buggers slugged me the $40 today a full week too early.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rang them and had the monkey claim that its spelt out in the fine
>>>>>>>>>> print of the terms and conditions that they will charge it a week
>>>>>>>>>> early. No mention of that with the signup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Refused to do anything about it. Its clearly a deliberate scam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had chosen to pay using PayPal in case there was a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rang PayPal just now and they reversed the charge immediately.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will be paying with paypal for everything I can do that with even
>>>>>>>>>> with well known operations like that arsehole Murdoch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rod has joined the DARK side.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, I have always been the DARK side, and don't you forget it.
>>>>>>>> Just ask the dead fucker how it died.
>>>>>>>>> PayPal is a Yankee snake-oiler.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They provide a very useful service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Balls!  Nothing the local bank cannot do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vastly cheaper for international payments and until PayID, vastly
>>>>>> quicker for payments to individuals too.
>>>>>>> You have been brainwashed by their pretty pictures and hustle-spiel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually noticed how much better they are for most
>>>>>> stuff. I couldn't have got that result that I got with the
>>>>>> Australian in
>>>>>> minutes either with the local bank.
>>>>>
>>>>> I started using PP to avoid having my credit card details spread all
>>>>> over the internet, but receiving money through them has proved quick and
>>>>> easy. A $7K refund from an overseas airline came through in a day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Conversely, when I got a cheque from the US government, the local bank
>>>>> branch (now closed) couldn't handle it, so I had to drive 20 minutes to
>>>>> the branch in town, queue to see a teller who couldn't handle it, wait
>>>>> for someone from the back office, and fill out a large form. Then told
>>>>> that it may take up to 3 weeks to clear, I don't know if they expect US
>>>>> government cheques to bounce, but PayPal seems a much more streamlined
>>>>> operation.
>>>
>>>> That's the spin.
>>>
>>> Nope, that's the reality.
>>>
>>>> Why didn't the Gov transfer the amount directly into your account?
>>>
>>> Govts are often that primitive. Not just govts either.
>>>
>>>> Why Pay Pal?
>>>
>>> Because they are a very efficient and cheap way to move money
>>> internationally.
>>>
>>>> And where does PayPal get its money,
>>>
>>> From the fees they charge, just like everyone else.
>>>
>>>> and who pays.
>>>
>>> In the case of those moving the money, those
>>> who send the money, depending on the source
>>> of the money and whether it's between individuals
>>> or otherwise and the account used for the source.
>>>
>>>> Have they invented the Free Lunch?
>>>
>>> Even the banks have some free stuff. My credit card has
>>> no monthly fee and it costs nothing to have it paid off in
>>> full automatically from another bank account.
>>>
>>> PayID transfers are free too.
>>>
>>
>> What is the best way to send money to someone, say like a friend or
>> relative? Is it PayID?
>
> Before fruiting about with these goony sites, try first the option of
> EFT into his/her bank account. Or use the mobile phone to do it that
> same way. Or send him a cheque, or for small amounts send cash
> (notes) thru the mail.
> Don't listen to Rod; he's up to his nuts in the latest Technicolor
> site. Shiny glittering colorful things entrance some people.
>

Seems like PayID is in effect EFT - just that the banks all keep track
of matching PayIDs with account numbers.

>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> I once had occasion to agreed to be paid via PayPal who refused to
>>>>>>>>> remit until I'd supplied ID.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never happened to me and I have been paid by PayPal heaps of times
>>>>>>>> before PayID showed up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The galling thing is that there was no WARNING about the ID
>>>>>>> requirement!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never had to provide it.
>>>>>>>>> This I did using the same ID as always which used my trade name and
>>>>>>>>> not my birth name.  I explained all including using trade names
>>>>>>>>> instead of tongue-twisting real names.  All to no avail.  They still
>>>>>>>>> have my $900.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because you are too stupid to even be able to get a viable mobile
>>>>>>>> phone service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a mobile phone service,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But are too stupid to have even noticed the $10/month
>>>>>> plans that provided unlimited calls and texts and MMSs
>>>>>> to any landline and mobile in the country and to most of the most
>>>>>> important countrys in the world and 6GB of data.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I leave the roaming off to save money;
>>>>>
>>>>> Roaming in country? Hey the 90s are calling and want their service back
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> More fool you, you are actually wasting much more.
>>>>>>> I get about 2 incoming calls a month from my beneficiaries to check if
>>>>>>> I'm still alive.   All other calls I get at work via that rapacious
>>>>>>> Telstra D.O.T. "service".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you are too stupid to use a $10/month service for that.
>>>>>>>>> Give me Murdoch anyday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They wont give you him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your reply is lacking in warmth & compassion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like that or lump it.
>>>>>>> I am a VICTIM here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All you warrant is a bullet in the back of the neck.
>>>>>>> And I want my money back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trivial to get it.
>>>>>>> And what are they doing with all that money that is rightfully mine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spending it on monkey wages to give anyone with even half a clue a
>>>>>> vastly better service than the local bank.
>>>