On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:10:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Australian newspaper tried to flagrantly dishonestly shaft me
>>>>>>>>>>> and PayPal has just fucked them up the arse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was researching Cleo's abduction 3 weeks ago and found
>>>>>>>>>>> that the Australian newspaper had a paid for article that I
>>>>>>>>>>> was interested in reading. Only $4 for a 4 week subscription
>>>>>>>>>>> so I signed up and set a reminder to cancel before it started
>>>>>>>>>>> charging me $40/month for the next 4 weeks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The buggers slugged me the $40 today a full week too early.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rang them and had the monkey claim that its spelt out in the fine
>>>>>>>>>>> print of the terms and conditions that they will charge it a week
>>>>>>>>>>> early. No mention of that with the signup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Refused to do anything about it. Its clearly a deliberate scam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I had chosen to pay using PayPal in case there was a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rang PayPal just now and they reversed the charge immediately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be paying with paypal for everything I can do that with
>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>> with well known operations like that arsehole Murdoch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rod has joined the DARK side.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, I have always been the DARK side, and don't you forget it.
>>>>>>>>> Just ask the dead fucker how it died.
>>>>>>>>>> PayPal is a Yankee snake-oiler.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They provide a very useful service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Balls! Nothing the local bank cannot do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vastly cheaper for international payments and until PayID, vastly
>>>>>>> quicker for payments to individuals too.
>>>>>>>> You have been brainwashed by their pretty pictures and hustle-spiel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually noticed how much better they are for most
>>>>>>> stuff. I couldn't have got that result that I got with the
>>>>>>> Australian in
>>>>>>> minutes either with the local bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started using PP to avoid having my credit card details spread all
>>>>>> over the internet, but receiving money through them has proved quick
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> easy. A $7K refund from an overseas airline came through in a day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conversely, when I got a cheque from the US government, the local bank
>>>>>> branch (now closed) couldn't handle it, so I had to drive 20 minutes
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the branch in town, queue to see a teller who couldn't handle it, wait
>>>>>> for someone from the back office, and fill out a large form. Then told
>>>>>> that it may take up to 3 weeks to clear, I don't know if they expect
>>>>>> US
>>>>>> government cheques to bounce, but PayPal seems a much more streamlined
>>>>>> operation.
>>>>
>>>>> That's the spin.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that's the reality.
>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't the Gov transfer the amount directly into your account?
>>>>
>>>> Govts are often that primitive. Not just govts either.
>>>>
>>>>> Why Pay Pal?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are a very efficient and cheap way to move money
>>>> internationally.
>>>>
>>>>> And where does PayPal get its money,
>>>>
>>>> From the fees they charge, just like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>>> and who pays.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of those moving the money, those
>>>> who send the money, depending on the source
>>>> of the money and whether it's between individuals
>>>> or otherwise and the account used for the source.
>>>>
>>>>> Have they invented the Free Lunch?
>>>>
>>>> Even the banks have some free stuff. My credit card has
>>>> no monthly fee and it costs nothing to have it paid off in
>>>> full automatically from another bank account.
>>>>
>>>> PayID transfers are free too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>What is the best way to send money to someone, say like a friend or
>>>relative? Is it PayID?
>
>> Before fruiting about with these goony sites,
>
>Nothing goony about either of them.
>
>> try first the option of EFT into his/her bank account.
>
>Fuck that, takes days.

No, it doesn't. The bank supplies an instantaneous acknowledgement to
your email address or phone. You can forward this on.

>
>> Or use the mobile phone to do it that same way.
>
>Fuck that, takes days.

Ditto
..
>
>> Or send him a cheque,
>
>Fuck that, takes a week.

Takes 3 days to clear.

So what? It's still paid.

>
>> or for small amounts send cash (notes) thru the mail.
>
>Fuck that, takes a week.

But it's so simple.

>
>> Don't listen to Rod; he's up to his nuts in the latest Technicolor
>> site. Shiny glittering colorful things entrance some people.
>
>Some have enough of a clue to notice how useful some new stuff is.

Invention is the mother of necessity.
And the Snake-oilers made it so.

>
>Even you noticed how useful a mobile phone can be but are
>actually stupid enough to leave it behind when out and about.

It's not MY fault, the Tax office has make it necessary for their site
logon.

>
>>>>>>>>>> I once had occasion to agreed to be paid via PayPal who refused to
>>>>>>>>>> remit until I'd supplied ID.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never happened to me and I have been paid by PayPal heaps of times
>>>>>>>>> before PayID showed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The galling thing is that there was no WARNING about the ID
>>>>>>>> requirement!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never had to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>> This I did using the same ID as always which used my trade name
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> not my birth name. I explained all including using trade names
>>>>>>>>>> instead of tongue-twisting real names. All to no avail. They
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> have my $900.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because you are too stupid to even be able to get a viable mobile
>>>>>>>>> phone service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a mobile phone service,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But are too stupid to have even noticed the $10/month
>>>>>>> plans that provided unlimited calls and texts and MMSs
>>>>>>> to any landline and mobile in the country and to most of the most
>>>>>>> important countrys in the world and 6GB of data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I leave the roaming off to save money;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roaming in country? Hey the 90s are calling and want their service
>>>>>> back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More fool you, you are actually wasting much more.
>>>>>>>> I get about 2 incoming calls a month from my beneficiaries to check
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I'm still alive. All other calls I get at work via that rapacious
>>>>>>>> Telstra D.O.T. "service".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you are too stupid to use a $10/month service for that.
>>>>>>>>>> Give me Murdoch anyday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They wont give you him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your reply is lacking in warmth & compassion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>> I am a VICTIM here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All you warrant is a bullet in the back of the neck.
>>>>>>>> And I want my money back!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trivial to get it.
>>>>>>>> And what are they doing with all that money that is rightfully mine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spending it on monkey wages to give anyone with even half a clue a
>>>>>>> vastly better service than the local bank.
>>>>