Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Peter Jason wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Australian newspaper tried to flagrantly dishonestly shaft
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> and PayPal has just fucked them up the arse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was researching Cleo's abduction 3 weeks ago and found
>>>>>>>>>>> that the Australian newspaper had a paid for article that I
>>>>>>>>>>> was interested in reading. Only $4 for a 4 week subscription
>>>>>>>>>>> so I signed up and set a reminder to cancel before it started
>>>>>>>>>>> charging me $40/month for the next 4 weeks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The buggers slugged me the $40 today a full week too early.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rang them and had the monkey claim that its spelt out in the
>>>>>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>>>>> print of the terms and conditions that they will charge it a
>>>>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>> early. No mention of that with the signup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Refused to do anything about it. Its clearly a deliberate scam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I had chosen to pay using PayPal in case there was a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rang PayPal just now and they reversed the charge immediately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be paying with paypal for everything I can do that with
>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>> with well known operations like that arsehole Murdoch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rod has joined the DARK side.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, I have always been the DARK side, and don't you forget it.
>>>>>>>>> Just ask the dead fucker how it died.
>>>>>>>>>> PayPal is a Yankee snake-oiler.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They provide a very useful service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Balls! Nothing the local bank cannot do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vastly cheaper for international payments and until PayID, vastly
>>>>>>> quicker for payments to individuals too.
>>>>>>>> You have been brainwashed by their pretty pictures and
>>>>>>>> hustle-spiel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually noticed how much better they are for most
>>>>>>> stuff. I couldn't have got that result that I got with the
>>>>>>> Australian in
>>>>>>> minutes either with the local bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started using PP to avoid having my credit card details spread all
>>>>>> over the internet, but receiving money through them has proved quick
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> easy. A $7K refund from an overseas airline came through in a day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conversely, when I got a cheque from the US government, the local
>>>>>> bank
>>>>>> branch (now closed) couldn't handle it, so I had to drive 20 minutes
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the branch in town, queue to see a teller who couldn't handle it,
>>>>>> wait
>>>>>> for someone from the back office, and fill out a large form. Then
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> that it may take up to 3 weeks to clear, I don't know if they expect
>>>>>> US
>>>>>> government cheques to bounce, but PayPal seems a much more
>>>>>> streamlined
>>>>>> operation.
>>>>
>>>>> That's the spin.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that's the reality.
>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't the Gov transfer the amount directly into your account?
>>>>
>>>> Govts are often that primitive. Not just govts either.
>>>>
>>>>> Why Pay Pal?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are a very efficient and cheap way to move money
>>>> internationally.
>>>>
>>>>> And where does PayPal get its money,
>>>>
>>>> From the fees they charge, just like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>>> and who pays.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of those moving the money, those
>>>> who send the money, depending on the source
>>>> of the money and whether it's between individuals
>>>> or otherwise and the account used for the source.
>>>>
>>>>> Have they invented the Free Lunch?
>>>>
>>>> Even the banks have some free stuff. My credit card has
>>>> no monthly fee and it costs nothing to have it paid off in
>>>> full automatically from another bank account.
>>>>
>>>> PayID transfers are free too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is the best way to send money to someone, say like a friend or
>>> relative? Is it PayID?
>>
>> Before fruiting about with these goony sites, try first the option of
>> EFT into his/her bank account. Or use the mobile phone to do it that
>> same way. Or send him a cheque, or for small amounts send cash
>> (notes) thru the mail.
>> Don't listen to Rod; he's up to his nuts in the latest Technicolor
>> site. Shiny glittering colorful things entrance some people.

> Seems like PayID is in effect EFT

Sort of, except that its instant and the recipient has to
setup to receive it. With the original EFT all you need
is their bank account number, no setup needed.

And PayID is MUCH safer because the sender gets told
who the receiver claims to be so that if you make a
mistake entering the mobile number or email address,
you don’t end up sending it to the wrong person.

> - just that the banks all keep track of matching PayIDs with account
> numbers.

>>>>>>>>>> I once had occasion to agreed to be paid via PayPal who refused
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> remit until I'd supplied ID.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never happened to me and I have been paid by PayPal heaps of times
>>>>>>>>> before PayID showed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The galling thing is that there was no WARNING about the ID
>>>>>>>> requirement!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never had to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>> This I did using the same ID as always which used my trade name
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> not my birth name. I explained all including using trade names
>>>>>>>>>> instead of tongue-twisting real names. All to no avail. They
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> have my $900.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because you are too stupid to even be able to get a viable mobile
>>>>>>>>> phone service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a mobile phone service,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But are too stupid to have even noticed the $10/month
>>>>>>> plans that provided unlimited calls and texts and MMSs
>>>>>>> to any landline and mobile in the country and to most of the most
>>>>>>> important countrys in the world and 6GB of data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I leave the roaming off to save money;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roaming in country? Hey the 90s are calling and want their service
>>>>>> back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More fool you, you are actually wasting much more.
>>>>>>>> I get about 2 incoming calls a month from my beneficiaries to check
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I'm still alive. All other calls I get at work via that rapacious
>>>>>>>> Telstra D.O.T. "service".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you are too stupid to use a $10/month service for that.
>>>>>>>>>> Give me Murdoch anyday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They wont give you him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your reply is lacking in warmth & compassion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>> I am a VICTIM here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All you warrant is a bullet in the back of the neck.
>>>>>>>> And I want my money back!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trivial to get it.
>>>>>>>> And what are they doing with all that money that is rightfully
>>>>>>>> mine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spending it on monkey wages to give anyone with even half a clue a
>>>>>>> vastly better service than the local bank.
>>>>
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