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Re: Rail industry prepares for summer strikes (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 24 Minutes ago by: Scott

Or Guernsey maybe? I'm sure it could be arranged ...

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 33 Minutes ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Nantes. Somewhere in Germany or , I'm sure. Lublin? Vilnius? Athens?

Re: Thurston (TRS) to Peterborough (PBO) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Hour 22 Minutes ago by: Certes

The off-peak return may be cheaper than the (anytime only) single with some types of discount card. Is the "not Manchester" ticket valid via Manchester? I seem to recall discussion years ago about "not London" tickets being valid via Lo

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Hour 54 Minutes ago by: Bob

OK, I've played around with BRfares to see what route options come up for a variety of destinations, and found the following pattern, for stations in Kent where HS1 is a potential route. If the destination is "London Terminals" or it

Re: Rail industry prepares for summer strikes (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: ColinR

Ah, but first you would have to change the trains flag to Cyprus and employ the staff through a Jersey based company ....

Re: Thurston (TRS) to Peterborough (PBO) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

In message <s1f48h15a3b1r24jsig7dkreci6b7qpkuk@4ax.com>, at 13:08:38 on Mon, 16 May 2022, Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> remarked: The Ipswich-Peterborough shuttle is a good example of one that does, actually :)

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Hours 44 Minutes ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I went for a last ride on Southern 455s a couple of weeks ago, they now have seating which matches the rest of the Southern fleet, high-backed and I'm sure some will complain that they're inadequately padded. The only real clue that you w

Re: Thurston (TRS) to Peterborough (PBO) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Graham Harrison

Trains don't just shuffle back and forth along the same route all day (OK some do, but not all). A unit that runs on its' own off peak may get added to another to make a bigger train for the peak and the stopping pattern for that train m

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Via Chatham to Victoria? On that gateline I was suggesting "any ticket other than Plus Highspeed", because the CIV (and perhaps just the CIV) is "Any Permitted".

MML Borked

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 13 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

0444 am A fault with the signalling system caused by cable theft near Market Harborough is resulting in major disruption to journeys between Leicester and Kettering. Services may be cancelled, delayed by up to 90 minutes or d

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Hours 55 Minutes ago by: Bob

Is there any indication of what "not Ashford" does include? For example one might travel to Faversham and pick up a Faversham-Gravesend-St Pancras train, which entirely avoids Ashford. My guess is the staff are trained to reject any

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

People looking through the windows as the train arrives on the platform? Happens a lot here, especially with 3-car 170's, where despite the ability to move between cars, most people seem to want to get in the emptiest one at the first

Re: Thurston (TRS) to Peterborough (PBO) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

It's direct in the sense you don't have to change, but it's most certainly not non-stop! One a day services for little-used stations isn't uncommon. In this case just on the Ipswich-Peterborough flow; the station *is* served all day

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 31 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Crows fly from London, Limoges is over twice as far.

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Lew 1

How did that work given, I presume, you couldn’t transfer between the units? Much dashing between them at station stops? Lew

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 34 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Pricing in very many industries isn't "cost-plus", it's "what the market will stand". That's basic economics. Meanwhile, the re-entering check would need to be implemented *only* at gates plausibly en-route for a Maltese Cross, otherw

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed (on both counts). And there's also a discernible trend to move on-platform catering to landside. And also remove dual-facing catering. It'll be interesting to see what happens in that regard at my station, which is currently

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Hours 44 Minutes ago by: Bob

That site looks like it's straight out of 1998, though it claims to have been updated in 2014. The French managed to create a technology with all of the drawbacks of both trams and trolleybuses and the benefits of neither. I have al

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours ago by: Marland

That to me seemed a strange one as it was not installed until 1987 so in terms of transport infrastructure life was almost new. Another site < http://www.wulfrunian.net/Ghent.htm> mentions disruptions for roadworks so that probably did not

Thurston (TRS) to Peterborough (PBO)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Allan

Most of the services that call at Thurston are the Ipswich to Cambridge services. However, there is one service calling at TRS (18:10) that goes direct to Peterborough. There seems to be no matching direct return service (PBO-TRS). Ca

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 5 Minutes ago by: Bob

The seats were undoubtedly terrible, but was the ride significantly different from other Mk3 derived units (eg 321, 319 etc)? I would have assumed they had the same bodyshells and bogies, so the ride ought to be similar. As built the

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 13 Minutes ago by: NY

"Lew 1" <email@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:1726018405.674384893.579379.email-nowhere.com@web.aioe.org... That's very likely. I last used 455s in 2000 when I moved away from the Bracknell area. But it is the impression that you gat

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Lew 1

In fact, the SWT refurbishment turned them into pretty decent trains - those ones, at least, are still plying their trade.

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: Lew 1

To be fair, they hadn’t had those seats for many years - I guess about 15 years ago….? Lew

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

They are only 250m at the moment. So could accommodate half-trains, but they are proposing Notting to have 400m platforms. It's not helped by there being (at least) four versions of the plan. The "Newark Alignment" one says "East Midl

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 31 Minutes ago by: NY

"Bob" <email@domain.com> wrote in message news:t5t38a$vue$1@dont-email.me... How? What extra does it cost the railway company (that they have to pass the cost onto you) if you get off a train, leave the station, return later and continue

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 38 Minutes ago by: Bob

I'd guess either Limoges or Arnhem, not sure which is actually closer. Ghent had them until relatively recently (wikipedia suggests 2009). Robin

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 46 Minutes ago by: Bob

According to the rules, making use of station facilities does not constitute a break of journey, and the rules do not distinguish between whether those facilities are inside or outside of a gate line. Of course convincing recalcitran

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Hours 58 Minutes ago by: Ken

When I visited not that long ago Salzburg's bus link to the town centre was a trolleybus.

Re: Rail industry prepares for summer strikes (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Scott

They seem to be rehearsing on ScotRail already: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61457827 I'm thinking of suggesting to Nicola they should get some advice from P&O then dismiss all the drivers and employ agency staff :-)

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Hours 48 Minutes ago by: Recliner

Well, the existing platforms wouldn't need extending. And perhaps the HS2 trains aren't intended to stop there at all? Just have a junction, presumably to the north of the station, with no HS2 platforms.

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Roland Perry

Despite being the headline of the BBC story, skip to Figure 15, page 65 for the route-map. For clarity, that's not the station's code, but to be fair the report uses it extensively Despite which, the plan includes closing over 20 le

Rail industry prepares for summer strikes

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Hours 33 Minutes ago by: Recliner

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92e4441c-d47e-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken'147263613e2be21ac7e21276fc6f97>

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Theo

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1033903/strategic-alternatives-to-high-speed-2-phase-2b.pdf is the report. It's proposing using the existing line from EMP and Nottingham st

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Sam Wilson

Thanks. I’m not sure I’ve ever been to Cowcaddens so I can’t say how it’s laid out. Sam

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: NY

"Anna Noyd-Dryver" <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote in message news:t5pl71$u5e$1@dont-email.me... I won't shed a tear for the 455s. They were almost (almost - but not quite) as bad a Pacers for their uncomfortable ride and their stone-hard s

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 23 Hours 48 Minutes ago by: Nobody

That came as a surprise a few years back during a rail-tour of Sweden and Norway. It seemed to be just a single route, rather than the likes of Vancouver with 13 and a maze of wiring on downtown streets.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day ago by: Roland Perry

Route 10; https://goo.gl/maps/7bNQwWycsraCxFys6

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Tweed

I’m not normally one to be bothered by such things, but seeing a big Z on the bios boot screen is disconcerting. Probably the same feeling as seeing a swastika appear. What is worse, it is akin to the Russian version in as much as it is

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Cheaper, and easier to maintain as well. Tramways have made similar transition. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If we're assuming flying from London, I guess so (30 min longer flight but zero onward travel time). Geneva's trolleybuses serve the airport IIRC, where the other likely candidates are going to be a public transport ride away from the air

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Certes

Yes, that's exactly what I was attempting to do, but never got away with it. Some days, I would get a cheap ticket from my home to far-away, break my journey at Angel to do a day's work, then hop on a bus to an appropriate mainline stati

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Certes

Wonderful! Another untimely branding to join Corona lager in the bin.

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Of course, a route just south of Ruddington would go straight through the country park with whatever that Heritage operation is called this week. But the local wouldn't allow that, hence to need to go even further south. But if you co

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It looks like the least likely of the four to happen, but then it's allegedly the cheapest. So we might be back to the original plan via classic lines to Sheffield, and retaining the end-to-end timings by teleporting the trains, bec

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Don't be naive. Railway personnel like that don't use the trains, it takes too long. Not every line has as much as 2tph, and to visit more than one station will depend on catching a train to the first, doing 5 minutes work, then waiti

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Tweed

Nothing wrong with going via Ruddington. You can have an interchange station with the northern bit of the Great Central. Perhaps get a few steam charters onto HS2 and run the occasional HS2 train to Leicester North, once you’ve wired th

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: ColinR

Yep, direct flights between Sumburgh and Bergen in the summer months!

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Even more likely not to happen at all.

Re: Yet another HS2 route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It's a little over an hour by train from Schiphol, so Geneva's trolley buses would be quicker to get to.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Marland

I think I read somewhere that the small system in Arnhem ,Netherlands was the nearest to the UK in terms of distance. whether it is the easiest or quickest to reach would need further exploration. What I found when coming across Trolley b

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

With a train ever half hour, why would they need a car? Or, as the PP pointed out, have contractors that deal with such problems.

Yet another HS2 route

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61274952>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Tweed

Nope, see here https://hothardware.com/reviews/hp-zbook-firefly-14-g8-review Now this is reasonably solved by a sticker. However on turn on you get a big Z on the screen for the bios. This is, to some extent, rather more disturbing. ht

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Do the station staff have a pool-car sitting waiting for them? But that begs the question of whether the station staff at Guildford are NR or SWR, and do they send such staff out when it's quiet at the ticket counters (at the big s

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I used mine yesterday to archive some old photos. Having been a victim of both FotoPic and Panoramio, I simply don't trust cloud archives to persist. And things like Google Photos don't feel very secure from eavesdropping (one is encou

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Or just send someone from either Guildford or Woking to deal with it.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Saw one the other day being used in a coffee shop, it had a blue and yellow label pasted over the Z.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Lyon? Then there's Geneva which Roland has visited.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Tweed

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's closer than mine, But that's further than NW Germany (three systems) unless you are counting The Shetlands as the starting point, not the mainland. Indeed, and I'd put Geneva maybe at the top of that list.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I largely gave up on Twitter not long after they scrapped Tweetdeck and turned it into a ticker stream, not a managed communications platform. However, it's still useful as a source of very specific information, such as railway operati

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I fundamentally disagree because the kind of cloud-hosted services like AWS, Dropbox, and Google Mail/Docs/Calendar simply didn't exist, in the era before the term "cloud services" was coined (mid 90's). Mass market deliverable service

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Most of the people I know who migrated to it, were refugees from Facebook, where other issues meant it was no longer a safe or useful environment within which to also host family/support groups. Twitter never was very good for hosting

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The last serious upgrade I did was to install a caddy for classic one/two terabyte HDDs. So you can use them a bit like very big floppies. Other technology has, as you imply, rather plateaued, with people tending to stick with the vide

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I had a couple of "all in one" machines about 20yrs ago. They were in fact a laptop motherboard in the back of a monitor, so all the normal not-very-upgradeable issues arose. Although one had (and maybe its sister laptops too), a cartr

Re: Timetable change (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They've always had Cambridge-based drivers, because at dawn and dusk the service deteriorates into an airport shuttle. eg First through train on a Sunday leaves Cambridge at 14:15. <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus_usage_by_country> has a list by European country; Arnhem seems to be closest, followed by uk.r favourite outlier, Bergen. (I'm presuming straight-line distance from UK coastline, which admitte

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not necessarily Head Office, but a team of roving ticket machine fettlers (who drive, obviously). Although the machines have recently been replaced where I've seen that happening, they would often run out on particularly busy days, ev

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

For me, and most people I know who started using it around the same time, WhatsApp was a replacement for SMS, not for any social media-related messaging system. The primary advantage at the time was that it worked over WiFi, didn't 'cost'

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

On refection, yes.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not the closest, but Geneva is full of them. Looking it up, it could be Solingen in Germany, 250 miles as the crow flies.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I thought you could leave at any station on a valid route between your two mainline stations, but not re-enter? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Because the extra opportunity comes with a cost. That one's not primarily to prevent people ravelling through from having an excursion outside, but to close various fares loopholes if you allow people to start/resume a journey other t

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I wonder if the main escalator at re-built Angel is still a record- holder? <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground- station-ab-14630/> You can see the old lift-shaft thre, and it used to be possible to get a

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If the sole reason of the trip is to ride a trolleybus, there are several options rather closer to home! (Where is the closest trolleybus system to the UK, I wonder?) (For the avoidance of pedantry, the three(?) museum systems in the UK

Timetable change

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Today's timetable change brings a number of 'lasts', among them being cuts of through services and cuts in traincrew route knowledge. Information mostly culled from a thread elsewhere on social media: Southern 455s withdrawn. Southern s

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Marland

Now that is something I would like to have done, thought at least I managed to achieve a long held desire to travel on the Chicago one last week while visiting a cousin who moved near there in her early twenties after marrying someone fro

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

A few island-platform stations on the Paris Metro are also quite narrow. I know that one of them is in LeVallois-Perret.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Christopher A. Lee

Me - London and Leeds. I'm envious.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Are there thus plans for the Claphams?

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Christopher A. Lee

I remember riding the trams through the Kingsway tunnel - my old man used to take me to the Imperial War Museum, and afterwards we'd go to The Cut (Lambeth Street Market) to buy something for my mother. We'd get the tram back as far as H

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Nobody

Time to visit Vancouver (BC), Seattle, and San Francisco then... All three systems have bendy-trolleys too.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: NY

"Certes" <none@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:t5p585$tk1$1@dont-email.me... I never understood the logic of that rule being enforced. Who loses if a passenger going from (for example) Kings Cross to Waterloo decides to break their j

Re: Secrets of the London Underground series 2 (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Tweed

Sorry, not been paying attention at the back :)

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Certes

Escalators were never a problem at Angel! If you were lucky, a lift was working, otherwise it was a long climb up the spiral staircase from one of the deepest stations on the network. I do remember the insistent grippers as shown in tha

Re: Secrets of the London Underground series 2 (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: NY

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t5p169$1c0$1@dont-email.me... I posted an alert a few days before episode 1 of series 2 a couple of weeks ago. It will be interesting to see what I learn about in this series. I never

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Apparently Roland had come across cases of machines not being reloaded till someone from head office turned up and wondered if that was a general problem.

Re: Tcket Macines revisited (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Robert

What was the query? Booking clerks normally did service / empty the TVMs at least until I left the railway in 2017. We had contractors who serviced a handful of unstaffed stations, but that was it. Ta,

Secrets of the London Underground series 2

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Not sure I’ve seen it mentioned here. Series 2 started on May 5th on Yesterday. So far two episodes of ten available to download. Will include Crossrail.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Dave Jackson

I travelled on my first (and last) trolleybuses in Bournemouth, early 50s.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Dave Jackson

Liverpool. (Also went on the Overhead a few times...)

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, sorry, I was still thinking of Kings Cross/St P.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Nine Blackpool 'balloon' cars were modified with wider doors to allow them to operate in regular service alongside the new fleet, however AFAIK they have only done so on a handful of occasions. Six are currently available for traffic and

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Marland

Yes, there are plenty of places abroad who never gave up their tram networks and have routes that have seen continuous service since late the 19th and early 20th centuries many of which have naturally introduced successive generations

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

See here https://cartometro.com/cartes/metro-tram-london/

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

At Baker St the Met line platforms are separate from, though adjacent to and level with, the H&C/Circle platforms. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, the Circle, H&C and Met lines use the same tracks.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

To slide an entire 5 foot wide flexible track structure, 7-8 feet sideways? Have you travelled on a rack railway fitted with these, and stood at the front of the train and watched them move across? In any case, modern conventional pointw

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

They could probably get away with grease and sliding stuff just like normal points.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

Corporates, and I’d wager many home users these days, don’t upgrade hardware any longer. The last upgrade worth doing was converting from mechanical to solid state drives. The former are hardly sold in new machines these days.

Tcket Macines revisited

uk.railway

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Harking back to an old discussion, one of the ticket machines at Guildford was being reloaded with a roll of ticket blanks when I arrived, by one of the regular station staff. Response to a query by Roland a while back.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: ColinR

These photos shows Cowcaddens as I recall it. May have changed since? I do also recall that some stations had a side platform, but most just a single island platform. https://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/77/04/770456_a01b40e4.jpg https://a

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: ColinR

Possibly, but the station I used most frequently was Cowcaddens. The Ordnance Survey shows ground level there to be greater than 30 metres and my recollection is that the platform level was between 5-10 metres below ground level.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Just like the rack railway points. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Surely the part which is 2m below HWL is elsewhere in the city, not in the river? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Muttley

Depends. The above setup is more expensive than a dedicated desktop with the same power. Plus laptops arn't generally upgradable except for memory and drive.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Muttley

I used numerous Sun workstations in the 90s and 00s and they always fitted on a desk. Nice machines, shame the company continued charging stupid money for them so naturally companies legged it to x64 and Linux for *nix systems. Then to th

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The flexible part of the monorail beam will be steel rather than concrete. And it's just one (series of) components to move, not three. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Muttley

You're mistaken. All I'm arguing is that "cloud" is just terminology for stuff that already existed long before it was dreamt up. Since you've clearly misunderstood everything there's little point continuing this discussion.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Muttley

I suspect the weight of rails is insignificant compared to a 2 foot thick concrete beam so a lot more stress on the latter mechanism.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Some of the stations have an island platform and one side platform, so the island is used for one direction and the side platform for the other. The island platform is fenced on the offside. Hillhead and Buchanan St are like that; I’m

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: ColinR

[snip] See Recliner's post above 13th May 2239hrs. Same narrow platforms, but with PEDs.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: ColinR

Interesting article. I am bemused by one bit though "Potential water ingress is continually monitored because of the line’s proximity to the River Clyde, with tunnels running between 2m and 35m below the river’s high-water level."

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We'd stopped being obsessed about steps, and were looking at ways to connect the majority of pax through from Paddington area to Kings Cross (etc) with the hypothetical reversing point for the District at Baker St, not Edgware Road.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

This route isn't signposted, and involves extra steps up and down. The official rout has a lift, and fewer steps anyway. Obviously not, as they share platforms.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

At work it is increasingly common for many to have “all in ones” in other words a 24 or 27 inch monitor with the computer integrated into the monitor. Those that need mobility have laptops and a USB-C connection to a desktop monitor, t

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I have a very vague memory of trolley buses in Manchester but the trams’ demise predated me by quite a few years. Sam

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I caught a train from York on Thursday and noticed those announcements then. First time I’d come across them. Sam

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: NY

"Certes" <none@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:t5mj1h$19m$1@dont-email.me... Ah, the good old Heart of the Angel. Molly Dineen made some good films.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I was in someone's office the other day, and their desktop computer was small enough they actually had it on the desktop. Mine have always been so big they needed to go on the floor under the desk. The thing about WhatsApp is that it

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I can remember trolley-buses (not London) from the late 50's.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That latter process is symptomatic of the connectivity being a cloud. I thought you were trying to argue it wasn't? Is that more evidence of the connectivity acting as a cloud, or did you have some other point you were trying to make?

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I noticed they suddenly started at Guildford, still trying to find the platform that hasn't got them.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Lisbon, Brussels, Prague, Amsterdam…

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I travelled on a London tram but have no memory of it. I do remember seeing one though.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No I haven't, and why does it matter where they are in between the eastern end of the Circle Line platforms at Kings Cross, and the classic ticket hall? They don't change the distance you need to walk. And I don' think there are any ti

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Are such accidents not recorded as statistics somewhere? iirc Various posters round the tube from time to time suggest the most frequent accidents are people falling down escalators.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

As a result of incidents like this, there are now automated announcements at some stations "some platforms at this station have no, or partial, tactile paving along the platform edge" (or similar wording). They are, of course, among the a

Re: Japan built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Neither of the unusual lines at Kobe is a monorail (they're both rubber-tyre guided systems). Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The video linked above shows the junction of two lines, and the station in the foreground has three tracks (central one for terminating trains IIRC); that'd be a complicated layout in any case, whether by conventional rail or monorail (pa

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Whole-track-moves is becoming an increasingly popular solution for pointwork on mountain rack railways, too, so it's not a unique-to-monorails thing. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

AFAIK Wuppertal, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Dresden*, Shonan, Tokyo, Osaka, Chiba, Naha, Kitakyushu, plus three systems in China (including the one which goes right through the middle of a tower block) are considered successful. Naha monorail

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Nobody

Yep, Auckland in the early 50's... Wellington in '64 when the sole remaining line closed. Melbourne and San Francisco would count as first-generation even if the equipment is modern. San Francisco also runs a variety of vintage stock

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

You've forgotten where the ticket barriers are.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: Marland

I’m old enough* to have ridden on the Glasgow Subway before it closed for rebuilding in 1977, most if not all platforms were similar in being fairly narrow Island. platforms. How did people in those days cope or were such casualtie

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's getting PEDs: <https://www.railjournal.com/in_depth/automating-glasgows-clockwork-orange/>

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Certes

I used Angel in those days. It didn't seem too scary for the regulars who knew to be careful but I can imagine accidents happening. The platform does look very narrow about 50 seconds into this 1989 BBC documentary: <https://www.bbc.co.u

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: ColinR

The Glasgow underground had / has* very narrow island platforms, always a bit daunting. *I know it has been updated recently so no idea of current arrngements.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

It would not surprise me, however, if the customs process in such cases is streamlined. Turkmenbashi is much closer to Baku than Aktau is.

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: NY

"invalid" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t5m2hq$iae$1@gioia.aioe.org... I never actually used Angel while it had the island platform, but from photos of it, it looked as if it was an accident waiting to happen - either for

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Is there any reason it wouldn't be? One requires two vanilla bits of track, some space and a reach stacker. The other requires complicated equipment and dedicated fleets of expensive wagons, which might only change gauge twice in a tw

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

Sure, but is everything on the train in containers? I've seen videos of swapping axles to do change of gauge on goods trains and it's not obvious to me whether lifting containers off one car and onto another is easier or harder than leav

Re: Japan built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

I've ridden on the Kobe monorail. It works, people use it as real transit to get to work and to the airport, and the track bends at the switches just like in the video. I believe the reason there is a flyover is that there's no practical

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Containers don't have wheels.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Possibly easier to sail from Kazakhstan to Azerbaijan, as it's one less border to deal with.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Bombardier at the time. And Japan and Malaysia.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Don't forget the one at Düsseldorf.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

If you comare these two photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/29303477156/in/album-72157669978770284/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/29049560570/in/album-72157669978770284/ and zoom right in on both of them. you can s

Re: Falling from platforms (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: invalid

Or The Angel before it was rebuilt, that platform was a nightmare.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

Let’s leave that thought dangling.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marland

A thought like that is the product of a one track mind. GH

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Assuming you could even exit via the cab.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

Tightrope walk along the beam?

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

It appears to be an S shaped beam which switches between two different tracks at either end, after they've gone to all the trouble of building a flyover to achieve much the same thing immediately before it.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

I get how it physically works but it appears to be a crossover rather than two lines becoming one.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Nobody

Your wording would have been more interesting as, "Hang on, there is of course the Wuppertal Schwebebahn." <g>

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Roland Perry

The steps at "B" and just to the left of "A" are at the eastern end. <https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/3d-maps-of-every-underground- station-ab-14630/> See again the steps just to the left of "A", above. See the steps in the cen

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Muttley

If ever there was a solution looking for a problem monorails are it. With the added bonus that if a train breaks down between stations passengers can't detrain without a cherry picker.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Muttley

The whole beam moves I imagine. Which must be a maintenance nightmare.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Recliner

Look at the last few images in this album: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157669978770284>

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.transport.london

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Recliner

I thought it was obvious: you only get to the east end of the sub-surface platforms when changing from a (deep) Tube line. If you're coming from the mainline stations or the street, you enter near the western end of the platforms. No

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tweed

There is of course the Wuppertal Schwebebahn.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

Can't work out what it actsully does, looks like switched crossovers rather than points

Falling from platforms

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Lew 1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-61394882 Particularly the BBC Correspondent’s experience with the island platform on the tube… presumably one of the infamous Clapham stations… Lew

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Muttley

Looks remarkably clunky and involved trackwork.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?vpSOmeF3K9U Mark

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mark Goodge

I had my photo taken with a model of one of those a few years ago: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid162515897805247 Mark

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Muttley

Are they proper PT or some noddy 1 mile loop line like the now closed Sydney one?

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

I know. Poti is also an option. There is a transfer facility to standard-gauge railcars on the Turkish side, IIRC. Besides less transshipments, I would also imagine that the land-based route might be safer as I have heard that the

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

As well as in Japan and Singapore.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’ve been on the one in Kuala Lumpur, and on the one at Alton Towers. Sam

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Aren't there some operating in China?

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Not on your life, my Usenet friend!

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Muttley

I wonder why anyone goes for a monorail anymore. AFAIK not a single public transport one - as opposed to something at Disney - has been a success and a number have closed down. Yet still occasionally someone thinks they're a good idea and

Re: OT: And then there were three? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Whatever it is, I stopped reading that one years ago. Probably too technical minded, rather than regulatory. The real problem with only three physical networks is the loss of retail competition.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: James Heaton

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message news:tNadncc8b8Js6-D_nZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@brightview.co.uk... On 12/05/2022 20:31, Graeme Wall wrote: Is there a chance the track could bend? No brain dead slobs, here! (Arthur and I appear to be the on

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Fantastic hardware, utter throwback awful OS. Made even DOS look sophisticated at least from a user CLI POV. IIRC 1 level of subdirectories, 8 character max filenames all uppercase and an editor that wrote immediately to the file you were

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Bob

Is there a chance the track could bend?

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.transport.london

Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sorry, can't parse that. Neither Met or Circle are "tube lines", if you are using that expression to distinguish from Sub-surface, and in any event from the rear of a Met train heading north, to a H&S/Circle train heading west, isn't v

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<groan>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I've seen installations were the drop-wire was draped-over/sagged-onto ridge tiles of a nearby property, and gradually wears through, with subsequent noise on the line(sic) when it rained. Nowadays they are better about mounting bracke

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Recliner

Only if you're changing from a Tube line.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or Moorgate (see below). The extra 'convenience' of the full-circle line, which abstracts paths, rather messes up some other journey arcs. They could have mirrored Mansion House (indeed, the original Circle Line shuttled between Mans

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Recliner

The new platform tunnels would have to be very deep, below the Bakerloo and Jubilee line station tunnels.

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Nobody

Not only that, they're casual... no need to knot ties... thus sleeper-less. No point in switching...

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Certes

So not sleepless in Seattle, just sleeperless.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Nobody

No, Graham and I are referring to the Black Sea crossing, vaguely mentioned in the Scandasia article; transshipment means taking the containers 'off' railcars at (Batumi?) and placing them back 'on' in (Constanţa). We know there is a

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Nobody

Apparently, the passenger equipment exists (read well down): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku%E2%80%93Tbilisi%E2%80%93Kars_railway> But the "Man In Seat 61" can't confirm anything after our two-plus years dealing with the Wu Hu Flu:

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

China is 1435mm, whereas Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan are 1520mm. This assumes that freight shipments would go via Turkmenistan.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Or, instead of going through the Black Sea, they could continue through Georgia into Turkey on the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars line. That would also require one transloading from Russian- to Standard-gauge railcars as there is such a facility on

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

It glides as softly as a cloud.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I think you’d need a tunnel below the current running lines, from somewhere around Paddington Praed Street platforms (potentially needing rebuild of that station), through Edgware Road (new underground platforms required) to Baker Stree

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: John Levine

Transship, or use car floats? That's an entirely reasonable route for a car float. The trip across the Black Sea is shorter than the one from Alaska to the contiguous U.S. They'd still have to change the wheels from Russian to standard

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: Nobody

It's been years since I've ridden the short monorail in Seattle, WA... but it wasn't any worse than light rail at street level on steel tracks. They sure have won the jackpot of value-for-money as it's celebrating its 60th anniversary t

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: Nobody

Agreed, as that takes care of the change-of-gauge without changing the gauge!

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: John Levine

One of the articles said they can prefabricate sections of the guiderail offsite which should make construction faster. Arthur said: Cairo is one of the noisiest cities in the world, with noise routinely at 90dB. I doubt anyone will hea

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 17 Hours ago by: ColinR

And that may need waiting until the first inter-island ferry (usually but not always the next day!) - or flight.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graham Harrison

This appears in the linked article "The train is routed from China via Kazakhstan, the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan, Georgia and across the Black Sea to Romania" and then "and that it would follow the Trans-Caspian route, combining rail and s

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

I hear those things are awfully loud.

Re: "Silk Road"?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Nobody

This popped up today/12 May, though it isn't informative of how the Black Sea crossing will be handled: <https://scandasia.com/finland-logistics-company-organizes-container-train-from-china-to-central-europe/>

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

"INNOVIA monorail 300 was selected based on its suitability for congested cities and flagship performance in driverless operations." https://www.railway-technology.com/projects/cairo-monorail/ It looks a bit like (similar to some parts o

Re: UK built Monorail Cars (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Intriguing, I wonder why they went for a monorail.

UK built Monorail Cars

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marland

I was intrigued the other day to see some monorail or people mover style cars in Southampton Docks a couple of weeks back. Immediate identification was not possible as the livery appeared to consist of something that could easily be taken

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Certes

I trained on Tandem kit in 1985, though never used it in anger.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Not really. It wouldn't be an easy change at Baker St, even if the Met had designed it differently in 1863.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

If only there was a way to terminate the District and Circle lines at Baker Street instead of Edgware Road, you could catch the first train from King's Cross wherever it was going to, and if necessary change at Baker Street. And in the

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marland

It was still Post Office telephones when ours was trampled daily by a herd of Cows, we knew when they were on the move to or from the milking parlour as the phone bell used to tinkle slightly. The cause was that the wooden poles between

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

They last as long as it takes to get a team out to repair the cables as it is always a broken cable.

Re: OT: And then there were three? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

What’s wrong with uk.telecom.mobile?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Which a web request isn't necessarily. Not only can the DNS resolve to any number of IP addresses (hence servers) but even when you do connect you can be redirected elsewhere. Oh look, it says "Basic". You've heard of Corba and SOAP I

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

So have desktop computers. They're still desktop computers. Wow, private groups! Truly it is magic and never been seen before! Oh, wait...

OT: And then there were three?

uk.railway

Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not including Three, of course. Just Vodafone, EE and O2. <https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/a-vodafone-and-three-uk-merger- could-be-getting-closer>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Winding back a few layers in the debate, ISDN isn't a private circuit, and isn't contended. I used to sit at home and call an ISDN modem which was sat in the same rack as the server I wanted. OK, the three feet of Ethernet was in a sen

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I didn't suggest they did. In fact the reverse, I'm using it as an example of point-to-point client-server. Oh look, a connectivity cloud: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PtEkcBRO6dk/maxresdefault.jpg I've been in it long after the 90's.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Can be done, but routinely isn't done.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Roland Perry

It's a bit more complicated than that. While there had been PDAs with connectivity, the iPhone was significantly smaller and more integrated. Ironically, since then smartphones have been getting bigger and bigger. If you have to ask,

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Muttley

Ftp servers don't load balance (AFAIK). Errm, RPC is how distributed services work. You really have been out of the IT game a long time. No they're not. So if I have a Linux VM running on AWS, thats running on multiple systems at once

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Muttley

The same can be done with copper. Try cutting an old 10 Base 5 ethernet cable with anything other than a bolt cutter.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Muttley

A smartphone is just a computer with a cellular component and touchscreen which had already been done before Apple. But Apples marketing budget made sure 2nd time around it was a success. Does it? Its just SMS combined with IRC. So

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

They have them also at Copenhagen.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I think I've said several times now: "a dodgy connection". Quite a lot of those that we see are staged.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And the people in this radio interviews are typically fairly senior and have usually been put up as press spokesmen. They aren't ordinary members of the public. As such, you wouldn't expect them to be tolerant of months or years of su

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We must have moved in different circles then. It probably wasn't referred to much as a cloud in the 80's. Not least because it was still largely a bunch of point-to-point connections (and with virtually no users outside academia).

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sure, but I'm talking about *a* cloud. As was pointed out earlier, "The Cloud" is the trading name of a public wifi network.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <9moo7h1srrnm0fl41lg6qrbjedaah85du5@4ax.com>, at 02:46:15 on Thu, 12 May 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Oh I give up. yes some of the wires are made of aluminium. Happy now? ps Did the National

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That would indeed be "losing the line". Having every fifth syllable dropping out isn't a person (or even a machine) plugging and unplugging cables every other second.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

So what, if it make you happier say "ftp server". They didn't give access to distributed services, mainly because *they* hadn't been invented yet. Cloud services (as defined by those pesky marketing people you hate so much) are alwa

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tweed

Outdoor grade fibre is incredibly strong. I had some 8 core with plastic “armour”. About 6mm in diameter. It completely resisted standard wire cutters and then tin snips. Only a bit of hard work with a hacksaw cut through it.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s the electronics at the customer end (ONT) that really define the performance of the uplink speed. With OR they have a time domain multiplexing system. I’m uncertain as to how CF and others improve on this, but I believe part of t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I had one a bit like that, when I lived in the USA for a year. The phone company buried the wires about an inch under the lawn, and left a few small flags poked in, to alert the next twenty years worth of gardeners to its presence.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Maybe you equate "broken" with "snapped". But 'broken' also means 'completely inoperative'. I've had one of those too. And speaking of being thick, did not pick up on the point that drop-wires are deliberately much more robust than th

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

I can still use my smartphone just like the PDA from 2005, does that mean there's nothing new? Whatsapp (as opposed to SMS and phone) does bring new qualities even though it's "just internet". In the Business-to-business sector, items

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Fibre is quite resilient by comparison. Anyway, a picture this week: on the right a copper installation that's lot its lid, with (it's difficult to see) potentially nine or ten subscriber lines, and on the left a final 8-way splitter

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Thanks. But I don't think I'll be rewarding their forward planning failures (especially as they admit some of the delays were unsurprising) by donating.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: ColinR

Not an obvious answer. Nowhere in Shetland is more than 3 miles from the sea, most a lot closer. We get a lot of strong winds which pick up saltwater from the sea. Most power distribution is by overhead lines on wooden poles. Wires are

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

And? No, not in this case. So stuff thats been around since the 80s then. Nope, not necessary for Cloud. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Cloud is just another name for RPC and data storage.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

https://www.a1steam.com/2022/05/11/overhaul-over-run-explained/

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

My point was, why is CITYfibre offering service in North Walsham? At the head-end? The splitters are passive, we've been assured over and over again. In any event, what use do most premises have for more than 100Mbps upload? There's t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And why not, if those assets exist. You can't connect up the entire country to FTTP overnight. Nor just for Cities. (And they haven't touched Manchester, Birmingham or London yet).

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marland

Blame lack of sleep, rested now. What a difference a d(a)y makes. GH

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: Ken

Gigaclear has done a lot of work in this area for Superfast Essex, if that's the name for the Government rural superfast broadband initiative around here, but our village already had decent FTTC. Gigaclear has made use of the infrastruct

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Now you are Scarlett faced with embarrassment?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

You've not heard of Up=Helly-Aa?

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

Border Force seem to have got their act together with respect to electronic passport gates. Lots of them in operation and a much expanded range of countries accepted. When I landed at Gatwick from Madeira it was straight to the egate with

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

I’m afraid you are in asset sweating territory, which is BT/OR’s long term problem. CItyFibre aren’t just in the game for domestic customers. Their infrastructure will connect up all those millimetre band 5G cells that will be deplo

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

But you are spectacularly missing the point. The ISPs are unable to offer symmetric connections over OpenReach FTTP infrastructure because that infrastructure is unable to support it. You simply can’t get 900/900 service over OR supplie

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

EE is also wholly owned by BT.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I look forward to confirming all this, once we know who the generous supplier you chose is revealed. [Why the big secret?]

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The original concerns with the 2Mbps ADSL was that crosstalk within the cable bundles would be an issue, also RFI with other services due to the dropwires etc become aerials. So the amplitude was limited. G-Fast was a temporary thing

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I don't think the marketing people get involved with sync-speeds any more. My modem/router doesn't even report what it is. Having checked my provider's marketing material just now, they are selling "45Mbps" upload, so I'm even more con

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Openreach are providing the transport layer, but the resellers decide how to configure it. So, for example, Zen will have decided on that 900/100 mix, other OR resellers like Vodafone have chosen 500/75. What's their rationale for of

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No I'm not, my telco isn't BT. I'm afraid people like Zen, Sky and EE (none of them either) will be turning their grave at the idea it's simply nit-picking. Plusnet (who I *used* to be with) is BT owned though. Separately regulate

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Recliner

They do. When my last contract ran out, they offered a couple of perfectly reasonable renewal options for higher speed deals, but I checked their latest 'new customer' offers, and said I'd prefer one of those (a slightly cheaper version o

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What's bursting into flames? Overloaded step-down transformers, or something else. The last power cut I had which was for more a few minutes was caused by the County Council's PFI contractor, Balfour Beatty, digging a hole in the pavem

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

When we discover who that is, we can see if they have these commonplace "half price for 12/18/24 month" deals, and whether they let existing customers roll over to whatever their new introductory offer is. However, I suspect we may fin

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The National Telephone Company did. It was switched by lots of ladies putting plugs in and out. The GPO were also already involved in telephones but for practical purposes were only involved in having their own network (distinct from link

Re: Stadler BEMU FLIRT breaks world record (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: Marland

Conveniently Autocar is available on the Readly app so I’ll take a gander. GH

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: ColinR

Strangely enough, most power cuts here are not trees falling (very few trees in Shetland) but by fire.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

I was at Birmingham around 10 days ago, but in the evening. It was clear that they had security staff in training as all the screens had pairs of operators and everything was going through the scanners very slowly. My toothpaste got rejec

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

Batteries will last if you only power your equipment when you need to make that emergency phone call. I foresee lithium ion packs being sold with a button to turn them on and a pass through/charge connection from the wall wart.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

Batteries.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

There’s a difference between sync speed and data throughput speed - protocol overheads. Marketing will sell the former, speed tests will measure the latter.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Well you’d be putting it wrong if you think it is to do with shouting louder. By that I assume you mean increasing the amplitude of the signals. It’s actually achieved by increasing the number of subcarrier frequencies used: “It enc

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Actually you are. Since you are being nit picky I’ll do the same. OpenReach is wholly owned by BT.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Absolutely not the case. The upload speed is determined by the ONT, the electronics in the home, and this is provided by OpenReach. Zen will provide 900/900 on CityFibre infrastructure but only 900/100 on OpenReach fibre. CityFibre, by th

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The storm in the Highlands was an exceptional event. In 50yrs of adulthood, I've only ever been cut off from power twice, for more than a couple of days because of storms, and that was before we were joined at the hip to our IT equipme

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: ColinR

Last year about 12 outages here, ranging from a couple of minutes (annoying but not a major problem) to 10-12 hours (most of them). We were lucky, much better than those in parts of the Highlands / Aberdeenshire where it was 3 weeks or

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Recliner

My successive fibre contracts have each been an improvement (higher speeds or lower cost), and prices are fixed for the duration of the contract.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed they are, but the cloud they are stored within *IS THE INTERNET*. And more to the point: A someone else whose identity you don't know, and is actually multiple someone-else's, and of concern to regulators and privacy advocates,

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They are highly regulated, so can we perhaps leave this for the regulator to cope with? It's not an unusual number for a rural area, but how long do they last? Most of mine are over in anything from ten seconds (someone replacing so

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They claim to be working on that, including backup power and enhanced SLAs on grid power.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

It all depends where you live. My friend who lives on the edge of the Somerset Levels has about eights localised power cuts per year. I don't call eight per year rare.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Certes

Power cuts happen rarely enough to have minimal impact on call profits, and they won't care about safety unless they're forced or paid to care. It'll be a downgrade in service, which a monopolist can get away with.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

What they're not saying is how they will service properties with no mobile coverage. It's all very well say IP phones or whatever but what about during a power cut?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, 20Mbps down is 1.6km, but it rather depends on the speed test, which can be somewhat inconsistent. +/- 10% experimental error gives: km Mbps. 1.4 22.0 1.5 21.0 1.6 19.8 1.7 19.0 1.8 18.0 The cabinets are

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I listed them earlier, but two of the speed tests say I'm getting 47Mbps of the theoretical maximum of 50Mbps. In fact they are so consistent about that (while giving different download speeds) I'm inclined to think it's 100% of the th

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Interesting, if somewhat spotty, network map there. With some clusters. They say they have their own exchanges, and there's obviously one in/near Crawley. I wonder what's so special about North Walsham (near Norwich)... other than mayb

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I think Openreach isn't the person making that decision, it's their resellers. The fog of war here is how many of the providers are digging their own fibre (mainly in subsidised rural areas I suspect) and how many are Openreach reselle

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I agree, there's no reason why they won't both work at the same time (remembering, of course, that you'll be sharing 1GB with up to a dozen or so neighbours, so it depends what they are doing at the same time). But not for existing cu

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

They were known to pull the plugs out on vision circuits mid-sentence, notoriously on an interview with Harold Wilson back in the 1970s.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <seal7hlb4mba9754si94d7rncgbrehap3t@4ax.com>, at 19:11:00 on Tue, 10 May 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: I'm not, and nor will Openreach be, for much longer. Ripping out the copper. [Did Post Of

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

Just in the way "Smartphone" was just marketing BS for "PDA with mobile internet": functionality that had been around before the Iphone. Does the phrase "emergent phemonemnon" ring a bell? You need the ingredients 1) using computing re

Re: Le Shuttle boosted by P&O (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

I don't think there was any constructive use of detentions. They all look consistent with a completely fresh crew unfamiliar with the vessels they've taken over. They certainly wouldn't have got permission to sail without it so they m

Re: Le Shuttle boosted by P&O (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: MB

I have wondered if there has been some constructive use of detentions perhaps encouraged by the unions. But they can be quite strict at time, I spent an afternoon at Oban waiting to board the Tiree ferry because there was some sort of

Re: Le Shuttle boosted by P&O (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

Here are the details of the original two detentions:- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-flagged-ships-detained-in-the-uk-during-march-2022-under-paris-mou Some of the reasons for detentions are shocking. Imagine not having the

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: Recliner

Heathrow was running very smoothly on Monday morning. Most people were checking in quickly at the machines, and despite large numbers of travellers, there were no delays at security.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

On Monday Tui announced its in-flight catering programme had imploded, and queues at Manchester and Birmingham airports were long enough to have made the main news bulletins. Although to be fair, the complaints were only that the chec

Le Shuttle boosted by P&O

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: Recliner

Eurotunnel sees light after P&O flounders <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f1b4210a-d08d-11ec-9d8b-0826aa666f4f?shareTokenb78447a080b52fec0b058e7aae6ad9>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I wasn't aware that you were stuck in the 19th century.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

I arrived in Rome yesterday, and Immigration was a huge improvement on six months ago. Although not yet indicated on the signs, Brits can now use the existing no-visa 'second country' e-gates, along with US, Aussie, NZ, Taiwanese, Singapo

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Maybe so. Doesn't detract from my point - ie that "cloud" is just marketing BS to describe functionality thats been around for decades.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

I believe I’ve mentioned CityFibre before. Probably the largest of the altnets and set to be the third biggest network behind OpenReach and Virgin Media. Note CityFibre are wholesalers. Recliner’s provider (I’ve forgotten the name

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

It says those are the average upload and download speeds. Fixed at £26/month for 18 months. The chances are that a similar deal with be offered at the expiry of the 18 months contract.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Certes

"Upload/download speed", so Marketing may have added the upload to the download or similar deception. Actual price £59 a month, increasing at inflation + 3.5%, but still good value if it really is 600/600.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Ken

My local provider, Gigaclear, is curremtly offering 600/600 for £26/month. https://www.gigaclear.com/

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not all, because I picked one of the most well known, and they don't. Perhaps you could nominate one which does, just to satisfy my curiosity. We could also see if they have a 500/500 product for as little as £35. A lot of people wou

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We are a little in the dark about who this provider is. It seems like a bargain (but didn't you say it was fibre, not "wired"?) Perhaps you could email me to say who the provider is (I have no agenda to expose it publicly) because I h

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sounds like it would need to use the Settle line. That's not usually described as "fast".

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 10 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

If they're SP (Sprinter) speeds then no. If they're MU (multiple unit) speeds then yes. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Nigel Emery

Local to us (rural south Cheshire) a new fibre network has recently been installed by Airband with villages and smaller settlements linked by miles of new telegraph poles. Airband did a good job on local social media of giving the impr

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

They are the fast trains to Edinburgh. There are no non-stop services to York that terminate at or near York (same for Newcastle, Edinburgh and any other ICEC destination you care to choose). If there was a fast train to Glasgow via Le

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

It was ropey because it typically delivered much less than promised, and failed altogether on occasion. It's nothing to do with OR. Yes, I think Ookla is the one to use. I usually get over 400Mbps in both direction on WiFi. I pay

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Both of those were developed for low-latency, workgroup-style contexts - that was Sun’s market: replace your shared minicomputer or small mainframe with a network of workstations and fileserver(s). It was only in the late 90s and early

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Most (all?) of the FTTP altnet providers provide symmetric up and down, all the way to 1Gbit/sec. It’s only OpenReach which is asymmetric. They appear to be installing an already obsolete product. This is nothing to do with the passive

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Huh? Web servers didn't appear until the 90s, ~20 years after the Internet. RPC and NFS were devised in the 80s and cover everything "cloud" does with detail differences. Yes they are. The cloud can be 1 -> 1 or 1 -> N, its all hidden f

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Computing resources are processing and storage. End. These were both done remotely for decades before "Cloud" came along as a term. RPC and NFS were both developed in the 80s by Sun for exactly this purpose.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes, and I was fairly well informed. See my response to your other request for dates. Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed, one good tug and all those IDCs will come out. The stuff which breaks all the time looks more like the right-hand fifth of this: <https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/bt-openreach-engineer-working-at- cabinet-box-gm1210987505-351

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, it's the thing they make most of the wires out of, back when they installed the PSTN network.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed, but the original idea was point-to-point connections (even if with diverse routing in between). Web servers being a box you could go and look at, and browsers running on the box in front of you. Because point to point (or some

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

As mentioned several time in the thread, cloud *services* can be either storage or computing. And the cloud itself is what they [either of them] are delivered over. May 1999, according to Wikipedia (I have not exhaustively checked t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Could you bracket that assertion within some dates?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

within your hearing? Which was in the late 90's.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

iPlayer says 5Mbps for "high quality", whereas BT claims Ultra HD 4k requires 40Mbps. Which seems high, unless they mean that it needs 40Mbps-worth of headline bandwidth; which might, on the day, be contended (with near neighbours for

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: Certes

A reminder for anyone heading north that the ScotRail half-price sale ends on Sunday (15 May 2022). Travel by end of May. <https://www.scotrail.co.uk/sale>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: Certes

Yes, that matches my experience from the heyday of X.* protocols too.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes, we always drew switched networks, or anything else where the topology was unknown or irrelevant, as a cloud, but any reference to the name was always incidental and informal. I’m pretty sure you won’t find any formal documentati

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

I would've thought that "cloud" implies "using comuputing resources over the internet" as opposed to "data exchange over the interent". This would palce "SETI@Home" as the beginnings of cloud computing.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

If you think copper is flimsy you must hate fibre.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Cloud type services have existed for decades - google "remote procedure call", its just that most people weren't aware of it. Then some gibbon in a marketing dept decided to give them a fluffy name.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

No I'm not. The internet would be meaningless without computers attached to it. But if you want to be pedantic then whats wrong with "remote host"? "Cloud" is just childish terminology for the terminally stupid.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

You sure you live in the USA and not some banana republic?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Are you deliberately missing the point or just thick? Poor you. As I've said, I've never seen one broken.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 7 Hours ago by: Ken

Hmm. When I was putting together X.25 systems a long, long time ago we always used a cloud symbol in documents and informally called the X.25 network the cloud. I'd almost forgotten that.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

People working remotely need decent speeds, both down and up. Not just for the work they are instantly performing, but for updates pushed by their organisation. Switching the machine on in the morning, with updates, email sync, file sync,

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Copper?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

If it was figure of 8 and grey then it would have been copper-coated steel conductors (Dropwire No. 3 or 4, often thrown in the nearest bin unless there was a lot of it recovered). Older stuff (usually black) was IIRC cadmium copper. New

Re: Trains are going to kill you (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Impromptu surgery? Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

In our University context the place where we really struggled for bandwidth (not helped by some of our server-specifying staff occasionally not speaking to the network team before installing new kit) was to the backup servers, which backe

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I also forgot to mention squirrels, which took a liking to some of our data cables. Sam

Trains are going to kill you

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

Travelling from Euston to Bletchley and back today, I wondered if London Northwestern is trying to put people off using rail. There were announcements at Euston about suicide, I saw a train branded with a list of bad things that might ha

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

A family with multiple teenagers playing high res online games or downloading 4k movies might well need well over 100Mbps; a single person who does no more than stream HD content needs no more than 10Mbps. I have 500Mbps, both up and dow

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Which does the average customer[TM] actually need?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Telecommunications cable is not typically mechanically protected to the extent that electric cable is. It is not normally armoured and in most places the final length to individual premises is in the open air. Even in duct it is not safe

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, that would make sense.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

That is wandering off a bit from cables. Up to a particular size you will cause damage quicker by bending/twisting a telecommunications cable than the same diameter SWA electric cable. Cutting a telecommunications cable with a knife (e.g.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Theo

That's the Royal Scotsman, in fact. It's puzzling what happens after it's been in platform 7. It heads off towards Dingwall and reverses at Rose Street. This manoeuvre takes 20 minutes. It then heads off towards Nairn without going i

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's not long enough for that (10 carriages, 206m long plus the loco). Yes, the very same train! Technically, I don't suppose it's a charter, as the tour is operated by Belmond, which owns the train. Yes, that's what I suggested.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

More on the train: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmond_Royal_Scotsman> <https://docbrown.info/docspics/ArchiveSteam/belmondRS.htm>

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Certes

Sounds unlikely, unless the train is really long and unloads the front several carriages in platform 2 then the rear few in platform 7! However, NR's own photo of Platform 7 shows a charter train in it. <https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/st

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: Certes

Definitely worth a look around if you happen to be in the area, or at least it was before the Covid disruption.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike Humphrey

The described set of moves don't turn anything - it would need to go to platform 5 for that. It starts off running into platform 2, which is as expected - 1 and 2 are the long platforms and probably the only ones where it would fit. Th

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I wondered what that was.

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The single line to the left of that photo is absolutely a normal running line, as I posted the RTT data for. It was heading southeast, to the single line southbound: https://goo.gl/maps/APu8zhgwzz2N8Mbn6

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They were in another of the "some pictures". And having later found and posted the RTT data, I am vindicated.

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ah, I’ve just seen Roland’s Real Time Trains posting and it looks like the first - derailed during an expected move from Blairhill to Whifflet. Sam

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Right, so Blairhill is the next station to the west and the single track runs west-south. So, assuming the single track is bidirectional, the valid routes must be: - Blairhill <-> Coatbridge Sunnyside either way along the double track;

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Mike Humphrey

The single line in the picture looks to be a siding into a factory just north of the line. And based on both that photo and the Google satellite view, looks like it's not connected to the main line so out of use. The train looks to be

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Exactly that. Though my friend used them as conductors, just sometimes found them awkward to get into terminal blocks and behaving properly. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Which, I will repeat, was never referred to as a cloud until cloud services came along. Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’m doing some volunteering work for a centre on Arran, about 8 miles from the metropolis of Brodick. The only provider is BT - there’s a community broadband operation but they only work in the south end of the island - and the best

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

So strength members rather than conductors? Sam

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

#SNPbad Sam

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Yes, those replies only got downloaded to my newsreader as my reply got sent! Pleased that I reached basically the same conclusion, though ;) Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Around 30 years ago a friend had wired a model tram layout with some (unused) telephone cable. The (four?) coloured wires I remember (though it was some time ago) being what you'd now find behind a domestic phone socket (single-strand, th

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

There are neither head nor tail lights lit in that photo, so I'm not sure what you think you can read into that. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's already been answered: they're Royal Scotsman Highland tours, hauled by GBRf 66s.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Realtime Trains obfuscates the headcodes to 'FRGT' (and 'runs as required' but not activated for yesterday), but OTT shows them as class 1 passenger trains; presumably regular paths for a land cruise type train? (They’re in for the next

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 7 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Nice view over part of Summerlee museum on the right. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days ago by: Recliner

What upload speeds do you get?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days ago by: Tweed

Read up on CityFibres plans and financing. They are digging round here and intend to (and nearby are) offer service in the same streets as Virgin Media and OpenReach. They aren’t the only ones going for the suburban market. https://ci

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

I suppose it must vary, but there certainly are local providers with their own local fibre networks, who got there well before Openreach had a local FTTP offering. In some cases, these do rely on the BT network backbone, but not Openreach

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Mine arrived a couple of days ago. Meanwhile English Riviera Express (Ely 06:00, Cambridge 06:20, etc) has appeared on the radar. 20th August. Unfortunately almost 50% more expensive, and only steam hauled from Taunton onwards (that's

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

It's FTTC, and the final throw of the dice for copper-to-the-premises. Most resellers won't guarantee more than about 160Mbps, but I seem to be lucky in having towards the upper end of the 330Mbps theoretical limit. Frankly, I'd have p

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Is that FTTC or FTTP? There are plenty of local FTTP competitors, but I'm not sure if there are any national ones.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Once again, you fail to distinguish between the cloud-services/cloud storage, and the stuff which connects it all together.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, and they don't use the more robust drop-cable apart from the top of the pole to your premises.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's not true because if they try hard they can deliver 300Mbps on the copper (that's what I have at the moment), in the urban and semi-urban areas that might be the ones someone else would offer cable. But who are Openreach's compet

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's hauled by 'GBRf Class 66 locos 66743 or 66746 in Royal Scotsman livery', so no need to turn the loco. Also, the only way to turn a loco is to use platform 5. The 66 runs round at Rose Street at 1542-1602. The stay in platform 7(?) s

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The dodgy connection in my copper is in a hole in the ground with a manhole cover above. One of the most common causes of line outages is engineers diving though the spaghetti inside a street cabinet, and it seem often accidentally b

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: Theo

It's the Royal Scotsman Highland tour, where the time in Inverness is advertised as a trip to Culloden: Day 2: 1H90 1200 Aviemore - Inverness - Aberdeen - Dundee http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Royal+Scotsman+2021 (although presumably yo

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: ColinR

;-)

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G05520/2022-05-06/detailed> "This service was cancelled between Sunnyside Jn and Shields T.M.D. (E) due to a points failure (IB)."

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There's some pictures on Twitter, which if we believe the headlights on the train, show it shunting off the outside bend of a double-track line and down a single-track. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSK-K2HXEAES-3C?format=jpg&name=large

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

I wonder why not? Incidentally, I think that platform is used to turn steam engines. Might it be a parcels train that unloads at the platform?

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Humphrey

Yes, the Kyle-Elgin train reversed just south of the station and ran into the south-facing platforms. I asked about this before and was told that the connection into platform 5 isn't signalled for passenger use, so this is the only wa

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

The train was inspired to seek independence from the track?

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Scott

I blame Nicola Sturgeon.

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Looks like it was crossing from one running line to the other, whether intentionally or otherwise. Sam

Re: Train derailment at Coatbridge (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No doubt we'll get more detail later, but all weekend to fix a slow-motion derailment does seem a bit excessive. Is this another "points moving under train entering depot/siding" thing?

Train derailment at Coatbridge

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61361864>

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's shown as a (DBC?) freight train from Aviemore to Dundee via Inverness, which, remarkably, visits platform 1 twice, with the loco running round in between at Rose Street! It doesn't proceed west of the Inverness area. <https://www.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 16 Hours ago by: Certes

Surprisingly, such a train still runs, though not to the far north. <https://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C17141/2022-05-07> I seem to recall an Elgin-Kyle or similar which called at Inverness once, reversing in the platform (obviously

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Surely one Luton is enough? (Except under a certain bridge in Ely, of course.) Sam

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

I wonder why it would visit the station twice? It could either use platform 5, which is accessible from both the east and west, or if too long, use a low numbered platform, reverse twice (at the platform and again outside the station), t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 18 Hours ago by: NY

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t56fqb$ni3$1@dont-email.me... Many years ago my parents had a problem with a phone line that constantly crackled, so the GPO engineer (this was before BT) changed he drop cable, aft

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

It calls at one Luton, then stops at another Luton shortly afterwards ;) :P Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: James Heaton

"ColinR" wrote in message news:t561j9$29r$1@dont-email.me... On 07/05/2022 15:29, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote: ?station and then reverse back in?? ISTR there was a train that did exactly that at Inverness. Came in from the east - called

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

Rewinding quite a bit on this thread, the reliability of the copper local loop has something but not too much with its impending replacement with fibre. If you are OpenReach with copper that can at best supply 80 Mbit/sec down and 20 up,

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: Christopher A. Lee

My provider in rural Missouri, ran a telephone cable across the ground, through the grass, to my apartment - and the landscapers were forever breaking it when they cut the grass.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Brighton line isn't slow, I've seen it done in 4 minutes!

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

True. Maybe that compensates for the difficulty of anyone in the East Midlands wanting to commute to Bedford/Luton (or even West Hampstead). Grantham to Kings Cross is only an hour. The Brighton line is a bit slow, even though the fas

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

I can't see any KGX-LDS trains with fewer than three intermediate stops (PBO, DON, WKF). In contrast, York gets some non-stop London services. I think the proposal is to speed up some of the Leeds services by dropping one or more of tho

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Well then it’s not going to get torn apart with anyone’s bare hands, is it? Ours did. The outer was cracked, the cable was full of water and the BT guy who replaced it said he didn’t know how it had ever worked. Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Good point. Rip this apart with your bare hands <https://telecomsystemsuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/telephone-wiring-page.jpg> and then try again with this <https://live.staticflickr.com/3929/15535219652_218d368a48.jpg>. Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Its not going to be cut or walked over is it? Its in a conduit or cabinet safely tucked away. The only time it'll get broken is if someone messes about with it. The only exception would be overhead wires from poles to houses but I've nev

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I’ve scanned through about 50 of the 70 or so occurrences of “cloud” in that document. So far they are all “cloud computing”, “cloud services” or “data stored in “the cloud””. None of them refer to the cloud as the

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

The obvious stations to drop (if they haven't already) would be Retford, Newark, Grantham and Stevenage. It would be preferable just to add an additional fast train, which I'm sure has been proposed many times in the past. Journeys fro

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days ago by: Christopher A. Lee

Umpteen years ago, I caught a Calder Valley DMU at Leeds, which departed from a bay platform at the East end of the station, It set off in that direction for a short distance, then the driver switched to the other end and we drove off We

Re: Stadler BEMU FLIRT breaks world record (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days ago by: Recliner

Anyone with a nostalgic interest in the Freelander may want to look at the 6-page Autocar retrospective feature on the three generations since it was launched 25 years ago. It's in the current (4 May) edition, pages 44-49, and includes co

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days ago by: ColinR

Mmmm, interesting. Does it depart Luton, stop 100 yards out of the station and then reverse back in?? Sorry! ;-)

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

6tph, taking between 42 minutes and 1 hour; the fastest 2tph calling only at Luton, Luton and London. Sounds pretty good to me tbh. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

The Corby trains from Bedford to StP only take 42 minutes. Compare with Victoria to Brighton which is just over an hour and a shorter distance.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

From memory, only every other one of the Leeds services stops at Peterborough anyway. (It alternates between Grantham and Peterborough) Apparently, people who live in Leeds only want to go to London (that's not true, by the way).

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Something like that is being contemplated by the DfT, which wants to speed up London to Leeds services on the ECML to partially compensate for the truncation of the HS2 eastern arm. It is planning to reduce the services to intermediate s

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I wasn't aware that PSTN connections could change the copper they were using, mid-call.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And it's the multiple joints which are just as fragile.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And everything south of there St Alban-ised. The rot continues. My observations were that about half the passengers on ones which stopped at Bedford, got off there. While it improves the lot of those headed further north, it hardy enc

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tweed

https://www.eastmidlandsrailway.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets/download_ct/20220413/nMr3fhS-lxfvV5gZv0WdmdgMiypkzOxxp3rR9QHbzqw/emr_route_map_may_2022_web.pdf In summary EMR express trains run fast south of Kettering now. If you are tr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

And then try and cut it with a pair of scissors, or walk over it a few times in heavy boots; then try the same with a typical power cable. Sam

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Although the journey opportunities for such a change at Bedford have shrunk[1], and there {was?} only 1tph that stops at Luton (the airport). If anything it's the other way round on the MML. It always saved money to split tickets at

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

Why not try and tear some standard copper phone cable apart with your bare hands then get back to me about how weak it is.

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail Sale? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, but that's disjoint from the sale ending so early. They could have (and in many cases did) just block out availability those particular days. Of course, it's quite interesting in its own right that they think a significant part

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Because in Muttley-world it wasn't.

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 6 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

It was obviously designed to exclude the school's half terms.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

Ignoring the question of whether this is a valid route, it would presumably get you off the expensive Intercity train into London from Nottingham, and onto a cheaper (sub)urban train that stops at West Hampstead. However I am more fami

Re: OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder power cables (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 14 Hours ago by: Nobody

I'm not sure of your point. Are you saying you've seen a report Gautrain has been affected by wiring/power disruption? The Blue Train is one service along a long distance of OH electrified track, involving both the Cape Town and Gauten

Re: OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder power (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 14 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

What happened with Gautrain, in that case?

Re: OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder power cables (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 14 Hours ago by: Nobody

Though South Africa had long had a backbone telco landline system to rival any in Europe... and early DDD (direct-distance-dialling) as well. Whether that "served" all possible consumers is another question. The apartheid economy was r

Re: Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, just the start of normal, scheduled services. I suppose there might be some more press trips the previous day, but there's been plenty of press access already. The other imminent opening is of the new Bank Northern line southbound pl

Re: Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

No special trip at the stroke of midnight?

Re: Train tickets set to rise by almost 12pc next year? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

Not really: "Instead, the state pension will be determined by either the inflation rate or 2.5%." What has been cut for two years is the link to earnings, which will probably rise at less than the high inflation rate over the next year.

Re: Train tickets set to rise by almost 12pc next year? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: ColinR

Already done: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53082530

Re: Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

0630.

Re: Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

What time is it due to open, BTW?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

No, but until recent times you got a circuit switched connection rather than packet switched.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

You haven't had a static point to point connection for certain since the first time the PSTN was used to provide a link back to a studio.

Re: OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder power (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

That is a fairly regular occurrence in South Africa, AIUI.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Yes, as reviewer said that in a youtube video about their latest SUV. Might have been Rory Reid on the Autotrader channel, can't remember, I watch quite a few.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Why wouldn't it be?

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

One problem is that a lot of their tech is bought in, and visibly out of date. So, for example, 'consumer electronics' are now from older Mercs, and previously were from Ford or Volvo. AML is much too small to create its own, state of the

Re: Train tickets set to rise by almost 12pc next year? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Bevan Price

I wonder what excuse Boris may find not to increase pensions, etc., by (roughly) the same percentage ??

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

"Cloud" is nothing more than marketdroid terminology for the internet. The latter sounds techy and scary, the former warm and fluffy and doesn't scare off the dimwit techno illiterates in the boardroom.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

When they realise their cars are underspecced for the price and need a new look perhaps they'll turn a profit. Seems to me the company has always wanted the Kudos of Ferrari with similar prices without delivering the goods.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

So you phrasing would be “a dodgy cloud”? Which one? IIUC (this was all handled by colleagues, not by me) the UoEdinburgh’s phone connections worked like that - a certain number of simultaneous connections from the PABX/VOIP setu

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

"Cloud" is quite literally a nebulous term, but it generally means a network through which many lines can be established as and when needed. It has other facets such as "cloud computing", i.e. doing sums on someone else's computer. In th

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Shush! I wasn't going to raise that. However, especially on bad connections, the packets might not even be flowing through all the same routers from one second to the next.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

My guess is that dropouts are mainly due to poor domestic connections, either congested link to the ISP or more often than not poorly configured/setup domestic WiFi. I regularly use Webex and/or Teams for teleconferencing across Europe an

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

"Line" implies a static point to point connection, and they way it's used by radio presenters reinforces that. "We've lost the line", "its a dodgy line", "we will try to get the line back" are all harking back to technology of the la

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Might there not be satellite, microwave or WiFi links along the way?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

In what sense is the "cloud" not a line? It still consists of physically connected components despite the marketing name.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

No, it stayed interesting, except for the numerous water and pathing stops, which became tedious. NR produces very relaxed steam itineraries, which the more powerful locos could easily better, but they're not allowed to. So, you might be

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tweed

How did you find GBXIV towards the end? Does it remain interesting or just turn into another day with another steam loco? In other words, does the novelty wear off?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But they might well have referred to it as "a cloud". After all, what other mechanism would the *Internet*Governance Forum in 2008 think was providing the connectivity for the cloud computing they were discussing. We have here a class

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There was one yesterday on R4 just before 8am. The interviewee was very difficult to understand because roughly every fifth syllable was lost. After struggling for a while, the radio station called them back on a landline (something I'

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yup, layer upon layer of bad news. And the F1 team is doing badly, too.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, and the itinerary means that there won't be any luggage storage in a brake van, so everyone will have to bring their bags for two nights into the tarted-up Mk 2 carriages. I guess they'll have to pack light. I've not been on States

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Irrespective of the unit you are using to measure, your anecdata strongly supports the idea that the cable into your house (and the fatter one along the street) are far more robust than telephone wires.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

Probably not any more. The woke snowflakes would kick up a fuss.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

Deckchairs and Titanic comes to mind.

Re: OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder power cables (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That sort of thing has been going on for decades with telecoms cables, which is one reason why that continent was an early adopter of cellphone technology.

OT: South African railways grind to a halt as gangs plunder

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

You thought theft of UK railway cables was bad? Look at South Africa: <https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/79c153ca-cc6e-11ec-b225-ba85b2bd8624?shareTokenWd4252fc7a44aa10d9da3da12ec6a3f>

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Today's tour (I'm not on it, but saw it) ad its deisel-hauled: Cornish explorer; pickups at Peterborough, 07:15 return 21:20 Sunday. Ely, Cambridge, Royston, Stevenage, Welwyn Garden City, Potters B

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We are at cross purposes, the journey I'm looking for isn't Sheffield to Cambridge via London, but Sheffield to London on a route which includes Cambridge. And whether one can continue from Cambridge to either of Kings Cross or Liverpo

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Cable from c.1925, hence the lack of millimetres rather than square inches. Current fusing 100A cartridge fuse.

Train tickets set to rise by almost 12pc next year?

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

Train tickets are set to rise by almost 12pc next year unless ministers take action Commuters face paying hundreds of pounds more for the their season tickets next year as inflation continues to soar, economists have warned. Fares could

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Theo

If Sheffield to Cambridge ticket has a permitted route of LONDON, the routing rules mean it's valid via Liverpool St. If Sheffield to Cambridge ticket does not have LONDON as a routing point but is simply on a combination of mapped route

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va1j11yRiP4 (2016) "It could be argued that the Geneva International Motor Show is just a tad macho. At the preview days for the press, you could hardly see the new metal for all the stick-thin models s

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Indeed not, and it's been quite a few years since the last British Motor Show.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

They haven't done that for a few decades. Though one of the Superbike teams was still using Page 3 girls and pole dancers to attract punters at race meetings until about ten years ago.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

:-)

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Are those the models draped over the bonnet on press day at the Motor Show?

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed, the perils of picking words with a number of meanings. Ah yes, the "Fares Rule", perhaps the most impenetrable of the lot.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

An interesting one, because it's termed "Plus HS1", which is really a TOC-specific ticket, not a route-specific ticket. Because normally a direct train (eg StP-Ashford International) would always be valid on an "Any Permitted". And th

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Try the routing guide on Sheffield to London, which is valid via Peterborough/Ely/Cambridge (as well as straight down the MML), but when I last looked they'd changed it so that the Cambridge-London leg was only valid to Kings Cross, no

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

London Terminals is a specific list and doesn't correspond exactly to London termini (i.e. places where trains reverse). As the Travelling to London page points out, four London Terminals are through stations. London Bridge and Blackfriar

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

London Terminals is a specific list and doesn't correspond exactly to London termini (i.e. places where trains reverse). As the Travelling to London page points out, four London Terminals are through stations. London Bridge and Blackfria

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

HS1 is the obvious case, and Heathrow Express has been excluded too, but I'd also be interested to hear of any cases on NR rails.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Theo

Unless there's a negative easement for that specific route, any ticket Cambridge to/from <somewhere else> that is routed 'London', or having 'London' as one of the permitted routes in the routeing guide, will by definition be available fr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The skinniest in general use is apparently 95mm*, but that's for all three phases. So 133A per phase. The next two sizes up are 185mm* and 240mm*, which would be rated at approx 270A per phase and 340A. Is your house supplied with po

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And that day I picked Waterloo and Kings Cross. We appear to be in fierce agreement so far. Although it's always worth checking routes using the Cambridge-Liverpool St service because the routing guide was changed perhaps five years (

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Given the programme it could have been part of the story line :)

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Given the billions of trips made with various restrictions, if that had happened, we would perhaps have heard about it. And they'd have tweaked the legal framework (maybe an extra word here or there in the Conditions of Travel) to mak

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

You'd think they could find a way to explain that in this rather too long web page: <https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/Travelling-to- london.aspx> But it doesn't leap out. My interpretation would be OK as long as

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Scott

Of course, but what I am suggesting is that if certain cases were referred for prosecution, the prosecutor may take the view that there is no reasonable prospect of conviction whatever the rights and wrongs of the routeing manual.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 16 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I doubt if there are many millimetres in the electric cables round my way.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: NY

Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message news:cKk*gylNy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk... Ah, that answers the question above that I've just asked.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: NY

Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message news:Ugug+5jaTsciFADL@perry.uk... Does "not via London" mean terminus stations, or does it also include any interchange station *near* to a terminal (for some definition of "near)? In

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Via Paddington should be valid, I've occasionally had reason to use that route in the past when travelling between Southampton and London, so would assume it was still valid for a longer journey crossing London.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 19 Hours ago by: Theo

A to B 'Route London' means a route from A to a London Terminal, and then a route from another London Terminal to B. It's like holding an A-London ticket, a London-B ticket, and a tube single that's only valid between certain tube statio

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That ratio for the areas I'm looking at would indicate head-ends at Ely (and neither Littleport nor Cambridge).

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

No, the train staff would prefer to get the uplifted fare off the traveller there and then, rather than send the incident off for prosecution, which would cost their company an order of magnitude more. In that context, the only routes

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

I read somewhere (though I can’t currently find the reference) that there will be around 400 exchanges acting as headends for FTTP. That’s less than a tenth of the current number of exchanges.

Re: A remarkably cheap ticket (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 11 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week) (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Recliner

Grant Shapps refers Sadiq Khan to Electoral Commission over Crossrail opening Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has accused Sadiq Khan of breaking pre-election rules over the announcement of when the Elizabeth line will open. Mr Shapps sai

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Scott

Presumably because the rules are so complicated the prosecutor would not be confident about proving the case. Does 'via London' mean you are required to travel via London (whatever that means)? I thought you could take any reasonable

Re: A remarkably cheap ticket (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Peter Johnson

I've got a Leicester-St Pancras return day trip booked for a couple of weeks time, £7.50 each way, non-stops, too. 7.00am outwards is the only downside.

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail Sale? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, the equivalent Scottish scheme is much better.

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail Sale? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

As I said earlier, it's unlikely to ever come before a magistrate (other than as a separate offence of failing to pay a penalty fare). And of course if it was a direct train from A to B it would very likely always be valid. The proble

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Sorry, just winding Roland up :-)

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

The only tweak we had in the 70s was a relatively restricted adjustment of the clipping level. A classic example of the problem was, again on Dr Who, when the Doctor's assistant was played by Katy Manning. She was very blond and had be

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

Probably not an E1 then. It's not a term I recall hearing, though my memory of some details may have faded in the last 30+ years.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Seen that used occasionally, current affairs at the Beeb didn't generally go in for it. Instead we had a cumbersome system of a blue panel in the appropriate place on the set and the insert image on a monitor which a camera had to look

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: GB

Gah!!!!!! :)

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

Well, I don't have any better suggestions. I go on a lot more rail tours than you do, and there are often crew stops at that stage.

Re: Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail Sale? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

Not hot air, but history (bookings finished on 2 May): <https://greatbritishrailsale.nationalrail.co.uk/>

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Scott

I take your point, and no doubt this must be correct. However, I still think there might be difficulty in persuading a magistrate if the accused's position was that he was unaware of the rule and was acting in good faith travelling from

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Not in this one AFAICT, and the link is still clickable for me even four quotes later. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Where are these half price tickets from the Great British Rail Sale?

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: GB

My wife wants a cheap day return London to Manchester next Wednesday. All the tickets seem remarkably full price. £98 for an off peak return. At that price, she should buy a Senior Railcard, which costs £30 and saves £33 off the tic

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

I asked about modern green screens, not their 1970s ancestors.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

At that point it's on a diesel hauled leg from Cambridge via Peterborough to York. I could imagine a change of driver at Peterborough if they really only had route knowledge as far as that, or hours only as far as Newark, but it sounds u

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Muttley

Probably a bit of an ask for 1970s tech even if it was just going by area size rather than shape as it would need to preprocess the entire image before actual processing in real time 25 times a second. A Cray might have been able to do it

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Not always, and it shouldn't matter anyway. And I think it's %0A, but whatever. Meanwhile, I also regard it as suboptimal for blogspot to have a picture named "15.+Jan+Leeming.png" as it's an accident waiting to happen, although my r

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm querying where the "white" bit comes in. 73ip1a0S0WCsHC9yJ5SzNwCLcBGAs/s1600/15.%2BJan%2BLeeming.png> Another Thunderbird user? Although to some extent the blame has to lay with blogspot for stupidly long names. I'll jpeg it for

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Roland's long links always end up inserting a spurious %20 and I wasn't inclined to hunt it down. Apparently it conforms with an RFC developed back in the stone age.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I think it is not as critical as it used to be, there are various useful trimming controls but I've not been professionally involved in the field for a dozen years and that's a lifetime or two in technology.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Interesting, did the <>s not keep it as a clickable URL for you? Worked fine here. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

If they were caught, they'd normally either have to pay a "Penalty Fare" or the fare for the actual journey being undertaken. Although there's an option to be immediately prosecuted, that would be rare. If you were travelling on a Smar

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

With modern green screens, do presenters have to carefully avoid wearing anything green (including green-spotted ties, badges with green in them, any jewellery containing green stones, etc)? Or is the tech smart enough to ignore small gr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Long before Tom, Very simply, the TARDIS was blue. Thinking about it, Tom's first series as Dr Who was the last one I worked on before leaving the BBC.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Recliner

It might be a crew change stop?

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm glad I heard about it now, not a week before [I have a note in my dead-tree diary] when I would be wondering why the tickets hadn't turned up yet. It's only one week so far. ps. I've now tracked down the email, and it was filtere

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Retford would be better, as it has loops in both directions, Newark only southbound.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Yes, I suppose camera lenses arn't designed for focusing IR. Interestingly you can get a similar issue with the human eye. Eg when I look at my hifi in the dark the red leds are pin sharp but the blue leds are slightly blurry.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Anything to do with Tom Bakers scarf? :)

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

Sure, my attempts to transfer my metric knowledge to imperial values are always accompanied by generous rounding.

Lizzie opens on 24 May (but only six days/week)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

Crossrail will open in just 20 days’ time, Transport for London announced on Wednesday. The long-awaited line, which fell years behind schedule and went billions over budget, will start running through central London on Tuesday May 24.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Ken

I'm sorry to break the news. That was a decent present. I received an email on 27th April promising a refund within two weeks. It has yet to appear.

Crossrail will open on the 24th

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61095510>

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Ken

I missed a train at 42nd. Street to Howard Beach, for JFK, back in the 80s when this was the system in use there. Just one door opened (or perhaps car?) opened and you had to board there. TBF there was a sign with an arrow saying 'Trains

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

A screen used for back projection is very different to one used for front projection. A green screen for chromakey is, by definition, a front projection screen. Can't be bothered to reassemble that link but a blue painted panel on th

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

Ah, I wondered why it was cancelled, as it was apparently a popular tour. Yes, West Coast can sometimes provide a substitute steam loco, as it has a number in the Carnforth pool. But A1 only has Tornado (currently) and I think Steam Dr

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Scott

This seems to be the case, but I still wonder in the example I gave (Smartcard) in what way they can be said to have been added. If there is a dispute, how does the prosecutor prove that the passenger was told about the route limitation

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We may be at cross purposes, because I'm not sure why a TV newsreader or someone they were interviewing in an outside broadcast would be having stuff front-projected onto a white screen behind them. Chromakey was used for whole-screen

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

In 1997 I visited a couple of Universities in Canada and spent some time with their network managers. They were both waiting for new kit, one for 155 Mbps ATM, with which he could control how much traffic went where; the other was waitin

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, as long as the building with the head end (and I'm not sure we are much closer to understanding were that is) has power. Take my example of Brandon Creek (in southwest Norfolk). I think we probably all agree it won't be at Brandon

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ahem! All sorts of things might die. The effect is that the virtual line between the participants dies. Any large scale organisation will probably have phone contracts, both mobile and land line, with inclusive minutes. The marginal

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Actually, Farmer Giles doesn't need his power restoring at the same time as he village, if he has a generator, or as is quite likely his power arrives (on poles across fields) from a different direction than the village. I know some p

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm talking about each of the live conductors, not the assemblage including insulation and armouring. 100A adjacent to domestic distribution boards is generally 25mm*, which is the area not diameter, so about 6mm diameter of copper (pl

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 8 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

That’s odd - an E1 was (is) full duplex, so when you use a 64 Kbps channel in one direction you get the other direction as well - 32 bidirectional channels in total, of which some are reserved. I dealt almost exclusively in data networ

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

<https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/03/southern-to-run-special-farewell- train-for-class-455s.html>

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I was on a summer special (several motley Sprinters cobbled together) from Nottingham to Skegness. And it was too long for several of the intermediate station stops, and as you describe above the only way on and off the train there was

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'll have to look into this further, because while not having spent any additional money yet, other arrangements have been made (and some not made - eg possible alternative excursions for Late June/early July, which may well now be ful

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Ticket machines as found in place like station forecourts have a intermediate screen which mentions time restrictions (but not routes[1]), unfortunately not always accurately[2]. There's also quite likely a phrase such as "Valid as adv

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

So a passive fibre supply for Farmer Giles would be superior. If he can power his own equipment he can get service.

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The 'additional terms' are surely being added *earlier* (when booking) not later (after you enter the station)? The parking equivalent would probably be booking airport parking ahead of time and being given a list of conditions specific t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Quite, because the POTS service for both depends on the mains supply in the village thus will be restored at the same time after a prolonged power failure whether or not Farmer Giles has his mains supply restored at the same rime as the v

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The SWA cable feeding the shed at the end of my garden has to be thicker than that just for a 16A supply. The incoming feed is a 100A supply.

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

I wonder why they removed the 455 stop boards prematurely? I notice plenty of stop boards remaining for now-withdrawn stock, such as for full length HSTs on routes that no longer see them, such as the Highland line.

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: D A Stocks

"tiny hadron" <tiny.hadron@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b6ydnRSlE50Wzuz_nZ2dnUU7-c_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... AIUI the stop board was moved pending the withdrawl of class 455 stock at the end of the month meaning the trains (currentl

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

The "8 car stop" sign is broken or missing?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Different type of screen, for obvious reasons. Would have thought they'd gone to chromakey before then, though digitising the pictures would still have been advantageous. TVS installed a digital slide system around that time, for some

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

My wife's stuff was confidential so I never entered the room during her work. I also adjusted the room lighting to improve the effect. Exactly what i was referencing :-) Graeme Wall This account not read.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

https://www.a1steam.com/fenandfells/

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Scott

[snip] At Dalmuir I was once given a curious explanation that if a six-car DMU stopped there, one door was off the platform. The guard used to stand at that door to make sure no passengers disembarked, until they were told by the managem

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Scott

Like the Royal Mail, I suppose? Also, does the ticket machine warn that the ticket is sold subject to conditions of carriage?

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: tiny hadron

......

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Because the Railways have special bylaws approved by Acts of Parliament. But those rules are well publicised for train tickets long before the passenger buys them. So it's not even "later".

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Scott

But what about the argument that is often applied at carparks, that the driver must be made aware of the terms at the point of entry (ie, when the contract is formed) and additional contract terms cannot be imported later?

Re: Ticket question - reasonable route (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The allowable routing is disjoint from the medium by which the ticket is delivered. When you booked online, did they not send you an itinerary?

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Has it, they've not told me!! I'd be due a significant refund. That was my birthday present.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Back-project? The old TV newsroom had a slide projector which back-projected onto a screen behind the newsreader. I sold BBC Research a state-of-the-art 30MB HDD upon which they subsequently digitised the pictures and replaced the

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Ken

That's what I thought, but it's been cancelled. I thought I'd missed something else.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The literal green screen noticeably improves the quality of the cropping. My wife was also doing meetings all day during lockdown (via Teams) and had various backgrounds. That didn't stop me appearing like some kind of ghost, behind he

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

They can see into the near infra-red but the definition is very poor compared to the visible spectrum.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

32ft if my half-forgotten physics serves. It's why water filled barometres weren't much of a practical proposition.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

In my day that was white and used to project slides and cine film on to!

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

1970s green screen was actually blue, when it wasn't yellow! The latter specially developed for Dr Who!

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

There was nevertheless quite a bit of enthusiasm at the time to "improve the ECML", a project which as we know is still ongoing. Someone agreed to pay a lot (£500m, Network Rail, 2005) for the tarting up of Kings Cross station, which

Ticket question - reasonable route

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Scott

I know with a printed ticket there is either a 'via' or 'not via' or 'any reasonable route'. I think there are complex rules defining a reasonable route. However, what happens if you buy a Smartcard ticket and choose an unreasonable route

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Don't even need a green screen, though it does improve the effect. My wife spent the whole of lockdown doing zoom meetings with a different background every week, including a shot of a Merchant Navy at full chat Videos grandad? all di

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

At one time it would be done over what was referred to as a music circuit until TPTB decdied they didn't care whether the listeners could actually understand what was being said.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

I wonder who GNER thought would be paying for these projects? It would have had to be Railtrack, which wasn't enthusiastic about spending money.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The moral being "don't believe a single word, until you see spades in the ground". Another GNER kite that was flow was doubling (to 4-tracks) the Welwyn viaduct. A proposal which was never going to get past the Nimbys.

Re: procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <b6ydnRSlE50Wzuz_nZ2dnUU7-c_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at 17:08:41 on Tue, 3 May 2022, tiny hadron <tiny.hadron@gmail.com> remarked: This would normally be the driver's view of a CCTV screen on the platform, which he might nee

procedure for stopping trains formed of 8 coaches

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: tiny hadron

From <https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/295465.aspx> "Disruption at East Dulwich expected until the end of the day. "Can you tell me more about the incident? "A problem has been identified with the procedure for stoppin

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: MB

Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Thursday 22 March 1990 Transport raises no major issues although if British Rail carries out its proposal to build an international station at Swanley the local implications will have to be

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Muttley

I'm surprised green screen still uses actual green. Given that modern cameras can see into the near infrared you'd think they'd use something that reflects wavelengths below 700nm but is black to human eyes. Though I imagine someone has t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Roland Perry

I expect most of them don't raise the liquid as such, but pressurise it. But that still assists its journey when it gets to a point that's eventually uphill of the outlet of the pumps. Pressure is what forces liquids uphill. Where

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days ago by: Roland Perry

GNER once promised to build a Parkway station on the M25. When they got the franchise they changed their mind to "no, we only promised to consider building a Parkway station... and we've considered it for five minutes and the answer i

Re: Bristol Parkway celebrates 50th anniversary (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: martin.coffee

That's correct. I used to know the Area Manager responsible when it opened. He said it was a victim of it's own success from day one and was far more popular than expected. The car park was inadequate and they quickly had to put tick

Re: Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

Yes, I bet it is, but I've not managed to do that yet.

Re: Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: martin.coffee

A round trip via the Starcross ferry is always worth while.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: Chris J Dixon

Indeed. I was quite surprised a year or two ago as they developed the DMRC at Stanford Hall. It is a sizeable site, which was not on a mains sewer, and about a mile from the nearest edge of East Leake. They used directional drilling to

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's the M25 link that's important. Similarly, WCML tours often offer a Watford pick-up, and GWR tours Slough and Reading pick-ups. The multi-day tours don't offer multiple pick-ups, as the luggage has to be stowed in the brake van at

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In a typical village everything within approximately one square mile footprint will be "next door to the exchange". It doesn't help Farmer Faraway to have his own generator or UPS, if the village and its exchange are blacked out.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sure. It's quite common for tours from Kings Cross to do a pickup at Potters Bar (long enough platform, or is it simply adjacent enough to the M25?) and probably Peterborough. The one I mentioned earlier is Cambridge/Ely/March/Peterbor

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: MB

There are a whole series of issues which they are suppressing and of course lots of money that has gone missing. Do they still have the Scottish equivalent of injunction to suppress at least one report? At least some of the Scottish m

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

That’s an interesting choice of reference, since the main thrust is that the UK Government are being chary about disclosing legal advice because that would break precedent; that happens to be the same argument being used by the Scottish

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

I think we carefully have to separate the system behaviour of "water mains" (which are smallish pipes, always filled and which can can flow slightly uphill along the principle of communicating pipes) on one hand with "sewers" (which r

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: ColinR

However, the SNP do not help their argument by being secretive: https://www.thenational.scot/news/19608194.indyref2-scotland-office-wont-confirm-legal-advice-sought/

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: ColinR

As with my line - over 2 miles away to the exchange with no roadside boxes between.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Certes

Clearly it depends whether we're talking about a phone next door to the exchange or a phone on Faraway Farm.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Anything which raises said liquid from a place where it is unable to continue its intended journey without such assistance, to a place where it is able to do so. Who mentioned pressure? I'm talking about places where air bubbles may co

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Rolf Mantel

Same with Microsoft TEAMS.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, it can be pretty awful. Ditto with Teams. One of the biggest fails is deciding to "reveal" a moving object (usually another person) within the field of view. So we can assume it's mainly trying to distinguish between the far side

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I agree. As an incomer who has effectively naturalised I see the SNP being very open handed about who counts as Scottish. While non-independence issues are currently the most pressing ones currently, I don’t see the basic aspiration t

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Indeed, but what do you mean by that? Those Victorian buildings which once had beam engines in, or an electric pump in a hole in the road, that almost no-one realises exists? They do, but not usually so many feet that it requires addi

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Zoom has "AI" built in that can figure out where the head and shoulders are and insert an image behind the speaker. Unfortunately it works about as well as 1970s greenscreen with bits of the real background showing through alternating wit

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Muttley

Buttons in comparison to the costs of running a station in general I should imagine.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Most railtours have a number of pick-up points, of course; one I was looking at recently, for example, has pick up/set down at Burton-on-Trent, Tamworth, Coleshill Parkway, Birmingham New Street, Stourbridge Jn, Kidderminster, Droitwich S

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

See the words in brackets in my comment. Roads never go up and down? A friend recently posted elsewhere about the vent valves in the water main outside his house, opened periodically by the water company to release air build-up at the

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The Fen and Fells Flyer. I thought you were already booked on it.

Re: Threat of biggest rail strike in modern UK history (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or it may just mean they don't need lots of people sitting around drinking tea waiting for what was once unreliable infrastructure (now replaced) to break.

Re: Threat of biggest rail strike in modern UK history (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

Fewer staff will mean they are spread more thinly around the country which will result in a slower response time to incidents. No doubt Network Rail have a spread sheet showing that the additional compensation train operators will be le

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 7 Hours ago by: Ken

Do you mind me asking which tour that is? Tours from Cambrdge would suit me.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Ministers have very rarely travelled to a studio, and while post-Covid they will generally do Zoom (or whatever) from home, before then a "radio car" would be sent to their home to do an outside broadcast. The dynamic changes when doi

Re: A remarkably cheap ticket (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We were, because the "line" that I reported the R4 interviewer said was going bad was to Kenya. I don't think the BBC would ever had conducted such an interview over a point-to-point [leased] line, before the advent of The Internet.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

What's the typical maximum distance for the passive fibre run? I could easily imagine the nearest "major exchange" serving where I live would be in Cambridge, which is 20 miles away as the crow flies. In between are two "things called

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

Breakfast interviews people who go to London (and other) studios. Pretty much standard for the minister of the day who is put up on the media circuit. And much though you will probably decry it, interviews via Zoom (other makes available)

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Phone wires are single-strand plastic insulated, typically 24 gauge - that's 0.5mm diameter. Power cables under the street are multi-strand armoured, about as thick as your thumb. And then there's the robustness of the connectors; what

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Ahem! The cloud dies. In my experience (and I've had dozens of such interviews - the clue is the phone ringing at 6am with a researcher asking 'are you available in half an hour') the cost of any such call would be met by the caller

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It's not deviating at all, when most of said POTS lines will be within the village and depending on the same power restoration as the "Exchange" in the High Street.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sounds like various parties have bought out the BoS shareholding since the most recent media reports about the situation (albeit those are several years ago).

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Thanks Day tours are a rather different matter, although some do start rather early/finish late. The next one I'm booked on you'd need to be at Cambridge Station no later than a quarter to seven, and get back about eleven-thirty. Unl

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

From the last set of accounts (2020) for MacDonald Hotels Ltd. - "In the opinion of the directors there is no ultimate controlling party". 30 shareholders were declared in a 2022 confirmation statement, a collection of individuals and tr

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

The hostility is not generated by the SNP, it is generated by individuals on both sides of YES/NO. There is a reason why some incomers are described as "white settlers". Many other incomers have joined the SNP or otherwise merged into the

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

This is deviating from the earlier matter that an outlying POTS line (otherwise unaffected by a line fault) will depend on the restoration of power in the village not the likely to be more delayed restoration of the mains supply at the re

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Rink

A phone call costs money.....

Re: A remarkably cheap ticket (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Clive Page

Easy to beat that: Luton Airport Parkway to St.Pancras (nearly 30 miles) tomorrow morning by East Midlands Trains: advance single with Railcard: £1-70. Will cost about as much to get the next couple of miles from St.Pancras to central

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Recliner

The GBXIV had about 220 passengers, plus staff. Next year's number is likely to be higher. Day tours have more, but only a few people need accommodation at the start/finish point.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

We used to be booked in there when doing snooker in the Preston Guildhall. Long walk back from the pubs in town!

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Looks promising. A bit of a struggle to find out: it has 47 rooms. Do we know how many people would be on a typical rail tour?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That we don't necessarily have 1Gbit everywhere (for example to, and within, Kenya). So plenty still to cope with when it comes to being able to get a clear and continuous voice channel [and not "a line"] established through the cloud.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

That 1 Gbit/s is not universal in countries with more basic facilities, though I don't think we were discussing them in this UK newsgroup. Anyway, once providing something becomes a priority, the developing world often makes a step change

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

This tour obviously couldn't use small local companies that serve hikers. For example, bags needed to be moved on day 7 from a couple of large Cardiff hotels to the right rooms in about half a dozen hotels in Penzance, St Ives and Cambou

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: MB

There are quite a number of companies in the Highlands that move baggage around betweek stops, mainly for people doing the long distance walks like the West Highland Way.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: MB

https://www.lochalshhotel.co.uk/

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: MB

I got the impression that Accor S.A. had bought them but just seems to be their management.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tweed

The whole point of the network is to make it entirely passive and thus reduce maintenance costs. Sticking an active mux in the aggregation breaks that. An umpteen strand fibre trunk cable is cheap. The other advantage of an entirely passi

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tweed

I’ve no idea what your point is

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Recliner

The engine wouldn't need coaling, and watering it isn't a problem (water stops are organised all over the network). More tricky would be turning it, so it would have to run tender-first in one direction. But Kyle is more suitable for a d

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I think there some words here being over-used (not our fault, the telcos are perpetrating it). Like "splitter" to mean anything from a junction box breaking a big bundle of cables into many smaller bundles, to a unit on a telegraph pol

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The concentrators (nevertheless listed as "exchanges") are in the individual villages. Each village will have its own power arrangements independently of the town/city where the upstream trunk exchange is situated. What's important h

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The lady intermittently interviewed on R4 earlier this week, from Kenya, will be glad to hear that. As indeed will the BBC and all their listeners.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I went on a Concorde tour to New York, and it's amazing what people behind the scenes can do if they really try. We left our bags at reception of the inclusive perimeter hotel, then got bussed effectively straight to the plane, then fr

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, walk-on ferry from Mallaig to Armadale, then by waiting coach across Skye (with a couple of stops in scenic locations) to the waiting half-train at Kyle. The luggage is transferred separately from Fort Bill hotels directly to the ho

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Do they take a bus from the station at Mallaig, or does it meet the party in Armadale? I imagine luggage transfers and weather protection would be smoother with a bus. Sam

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

And the Union of the Parliaments was arranged by a parcel of rogues, and clan tartans were invented by Walter Scott to please George III and so on - we have an intertwined and troubled history. Sam

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

We used to finish canoe trips down the river Ribble at the Tickled Trout, and I once arranged to pick up a friend there en route from Edinburgh to Kent. ISTR we were three hours late but she was still waiting. Well before the days of mo

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Alan

Logistics. The engine will need coaling and filling with water and general servicing, the coaches too, There arent those facilities in Kyle, but the depot at Inverness can cater for all servicing requirements.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Yes, I understood the “reverse” bit - I just wondered how it came about, but your explanation makes sense - thank you! Sam

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I don't remember the exact routing of the tour I was considering, but having to source, as well as pay for, one's one overnight accommodations was a significant turn-off. At least one of the places seemed to me to be likely to be swampe

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

You'll have to say which page of Wikipedia that is, because the one I can see confirms it's a management buyout company (half owned by Bank of Scotland) based in Bathgate, West Lothian.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

The aggregation node is just a giant jointing box. It’s where the umpteen fibre trunk cable is split out.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's the one. It was an all-inclusive Xmas package with lots of events organised, like curling matches and whiskey tasting. Of course everything around was closed, so people tended to stay on site the whole time.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

Anything slower than 1Gbit/sec is heading towards obsolete and certainly will be in a few years. You are right, it is important not to fight yesterday’s battles.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Presumably by "head end" you mean the CCJ in that video [4:23]. The unit that I'm interested in understanding the power supply requirements for (in essence: is it passive or active) is the {Application} Node. Obviously the Splitter No

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Mike Humphrey

I think it's been overtaken by falling costs of bandwidth. You can either implement a complex system of reservations to check if there's enough capacity before you start a call, or throw enough bandwidth at it that there's almost certa

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Recliner

What is? MacDonald Hotels remains a Scottish company, but it has sold some of its hotels to pay off debts.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Recliner

This GB trip didn't go to Kyle, and the ones that do don't have a night stop there. They split the train, with one half following a clockwise route via Fort Bill, Mallaig, Kyle and Inverness, and the other half doing the route anti-clockw

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Ah, I've stayed in that one, both before and after the take-over. Wasn't that impressed I'm afraid. Perhaps its improved since.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Which, apparently, was a Scottish idea in the first place.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: MB

Many hotels have had their name changed to that good old Scottish name "Muthu", pity because they have dropped names used by the hotel for many years (some more than a hundred years).

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: MB

Though quite a number have left because of the hostility that the SNP have generated in Scotland. A friend of mine moved a few years ago, partly because of that but because by the nature of his work he would have to move in the (hopefu

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They are the other way around, with T1's having twentyfour 64kb channels, and E1's thirtytwo. Framing|control bits|channels is a separate issue, and also depends on the application, but T1 should be thought of as 1.5Mb and E1 as 2Mb.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: MB

According to Wonkypedia it is owned by a French company.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Sewers can have intermediate pumps if an entirely gravity flow can't be engineered in. The buildings we see called "pumping stations" are usually for situations where the previous outfall has been capped off, and the treatment plan mov

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: MB

With Kyle having a quick big old hotel, I am surprised the organisers did not make a block booking at the hotel but I suppose some people are on tight budgets.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 17 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Presumably there are logistics with sewers involving needing a downhill flow all the way to the treatment plant (or pumping station)? Such considerations don't apply to electricity, and less so to water (which might need a vent valve if t

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Trigger's Broom? "Good examples of large 19th century mansions and purpose-built hotels, located to take advantage of views over Windermere, e.g. The Old England,....." "The opening of the Kendal to Windermere railway line in 1847 was t

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

MacDonald operates an upmarket chain of hotels, each retaining its own name, reflecting its history, but usually prefixed by 'MacDonald'. It's a brand, like Intercontinental or Sheraton. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_Hotel

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

I think that particular one, probably on Loch Ard, is just a MacDonald without being notably English. We got rid of the North British, though. Sam

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

OK. RSVP, the internet resource reservation protocol, which allows a host to request, say an uncongested 64 Kbps of bandwidth on a particular flow of data, was standardised in 1997. There was lots of related work over the next 10 years

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, perhaps it was the Macdonald Forest Hills Resort in The Trossachs?

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

That change of route happened at least three weeks earlier, as it was in the printed itinerary supplied. So, whatever the reason, it was well known in advance.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Ah, hence my confusion.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s all explained here. https://youtu.be/6595-Xv-pZk Skip the first 3 mins. It’s not unrealistic to send one fibre back to the headend per 32 way splitter. Currently for telephony one copper pair is routed to the exchange per subs

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Generally the same mains power (along with whatever backup has been provided) as the surrounding villages they are located in.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Johannes Picht

Reverse as in "running on the 'wrong' (left) side of the street". This is within a (counter-clockwise) ring of one-way streets, and left-hand (wrong-side ;-) running eliminated conflicting moves for turning traffic at both ends. Cheers

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken

Yes. E1/T1 was normally a leased line in my day. ISTR that in the US they actually carried 64kb, whereas our equivalent was 56kb as we had a control channel in there. I spent months trying to get a reliable file transfer at that speed be

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

While I agree that many have been concentrators (which I mentioned earlier in a different subthread) for a while, they are still listed as discrete "Exchanges" (within the pool of ~5600 in the UK) and still need mains power to operate.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

So at least two passive splitters upstream of the house? One on the telegraph pole, and another somewhere else (the street cabinet perhaps). But that would mean that every premises was being piped (at least) 288 different sets of downs

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

"The Old England started life as a Georgian residence until the first inn keeper, Thomas Ullock, opened the hotel in 1745. Since then, the hotel has served as a stellar location for beautiful weddings and p

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It isn't. It's the name of just one of their hotels, which is in the Lake District on Recliner's recent railtour. The one I stayed at had a completely different name different name (apart from starting "Macdonald...")

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 21 Hours ago by: Roger Lynn

Do you know why it was diverted away from the Berks & Hants yesterday? We were lucky* to spot it in Wiltshire, and that wasn't the only diverted train we noticed. * Lucky because it wasn't supposed to be anywhere near us, and I happene

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

1. Those are "more populated areas" than e.g. outlying farms/houses who (if the problem is only a prolonged failure of the public electricity supply) should get their telephone service back at the same time as the villages. 2. They probab

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: tony sayer

We had a full fibre service installed at a c county estate near Cambridge and the Openreach tech said how wonderful this here fibre stuff was said that That link unit on your wall there was fibre all the way to the exchange and that there

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's simply not the case. I have several times lived in villages where the telephone exchange is no less rural than the housing. (Station Road, Melbourn, for example; the station being Meldreth.)

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Bowness not Bo'ness. ;-)

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Correct. https://imagelinkglobal.com/products/ILEA000635734/ [Bowness-on-Windermere, Boat Station and Old England Hotel 1893] Like many other things, "Old" as in Victorian?

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Just struck me as an odd name for a hotel in Scotland.

Re: Balloch - thank you (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alan

Yes, that was me, we did it in October.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Telephone exchanges will usually be within a more populated area where restoration of the public electricity supply will be a higher priority (and often easier) than where the more distant users are located.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

I also missed that in many remote areas the water supply to an isolated site will often not be from a public source rather than locally derived from a stream and/or well.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-little-england-over-the-water-white-settlers-make-up-15-of-skye-s-population-1450967.html

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Macdonald being a famous Old English brand, presumably? It's a chain of hotel/resorts, and the fairly consistent experience comes from the parent company. I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that it was formerly known as "The

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

When System X came out, the battery provision started changing to distributed smaller batteries (in the style of groups of later car/camping-style batteries) for every X racks of equipment. The older exchanges would last for several days

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And of course the "pipes" are orders of magnitude thinner, and for electricity at least, can be run on poles in the air, rather than digging trenches.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Are you sure about that? The splitter on your telegraph pole is passive, but does the backhaul fibre from there go passively tens of km to some head end alongside hundreds of other fibres from other telegraph poles in the town/village?

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Skye?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

At the user end, electric supply cables are relatively "fit and forget" compared with telecommunications cables; properly made joints can be expected to last for decades without failure. Telecommunications cables are far more prone to dis

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

New SLAs with power companies, is what they are suggesting. And now you'll only get connectivity if whatever's upstream of the Full Fibre splitter on your telegraph pole, has power. I'm awaiting further and better particulars of wha

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Apples and oranges. Sewers require a minimum amount of fall (sh1t does not run uphill) and throughput to work. The far end could thus be at some depth and would require an input of water to make it work. Water and electricity both have so

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That might be the old plan. Lots of different dates: We've already stopped selling copper products in Salisbury, Wiltshire and have announced a further 550 locations, where we'll stop selling copper products between now and

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Why do the same for the electricity and water? Let them buy a diesel generator and dig a well, right?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

"new broadband network", "old analogue network". Would that be the same broadband network than runs ADSL over the analogue copper lines then? God, they're so full of shit. Still, at least someone has finally got the memo about resilience

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Muttley

Particularly annoying on radio station interviews where they seem to insist on the guest using zoom or similar, then halfway through the interview the line dies. Why can't they use a phone?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Muttley

I can't tell if you're being tongue in cheek or not. You do realise "cloud" is just marketing BS for remote computers? An FTP server could be "cloud". Then don't let a 3rd party store your critical data. Simple. Less than replacing br

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Tweed

It is passive, ie no electronics all the way to the head end (not necessarily your existing local exchange), which can be tens of km. If you are out of power for days it comes down to dry batteries, or recharge from your car. If you onl

Balloch - thank you

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Tweed

Thank you to whoever recommended Balloch a while back. Just been there for the day and had a loch cruise. Another remarkably cheap trip. 21 miles from Partick, £4.05 return with railcard.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Sam Wilson

That beats <https://goo.gl/maps/7zYN98VvF5XtgaXe8> (sorry, you’ll have to do Street View yourselves). I’d bang my head on both of them. Uh…? How…? Sam

Bristol Parkway celebrates 50th anniversary

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-wiltshire-61275648> Thought it was older than that

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

An "Old England" hotel in Scotland?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: ColinR

Errr, "so that's the technology solved". On the face of it yes. However, what technology charges the batteries when power is out for days or weeks at a time, as happened last autumn? At least the old 50v in the copper system continued

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: ColinR

"If you're not able to get Ultrafast Full Fibre at your premises you won't be impacted, and will still be able to keep your existing copper product until it's available." https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/retiring-the-copper-net

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: ColinR

Absolutely. Why try to build a sewer for over a mile for a single household? Septic tank is far better.

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

.... I stayed in one of those near Loch Lomond one Xmas. It was brilliant. It was also the first place I became suspicious of "All local produce" (see also NXEC etc) being used, because about half the stuff I would only expect to find

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

This is a much more luxurious tour. You wouldn't have a night stop there. GB tours that go through there have their night stops in Fort Bill and Inverness, both of whuch have ample hotel accommodation. Yes, that's right. Mine was in

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yup, eight nights in six hotels (in Edinburgh, Inverness, Stirling, Bowness-on-Windermere, Cardiff and Penzance/St Ives), with luggage transferred behind the scenes, so it's waiting in your next hotel room when you arrive. The hotels wer

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

One hopes so, but a three (or was it four) day tour I looked at a couple of years ago said guests had to make their own arrangements. How many vacant B&B are there in Kyle of Lochalsh, for example? The trip above mentions Bowness-on-Wi

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Battery backup of your CPE is a solved problem (apart perhaps from who funds it). We know the "milk bottle splitters" on telegraph poles are passive, but what's the situation with whatever equipment is immediately upstream? They appe

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Tweed

If you read the contents of that link carefully they aren’t really going to do doing anything fundamentally different to what was planned. They might market some better battery packs. If and when I get put onto fibre only I’ll get my

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It starts off with lots of "hang on a minute, we are rethinking some aspects of this rollout, and need to fine tune the technology especially for the stragglers", but later throws in: "Like the shift from analogue to digital TV,

Re: How does the modern railway view mainline steam? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Tweed

Sounds to have been a lovely trip. Presumably you get a hotel room each night?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Our American colleagues used to refer to T1 circuits all the time, but in the UK it was almost always the megabits.

How does the modern railway view mainline steam?

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Recliner

I've just returned from the Great Britain XIV, and wondered how the staff in the modern railway view the 1930s museum pieces getting in the way of the modern services? I get the impression thst the NR signallers and route planners tolerate

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Nigel Emery

My village is south Cheshire now has full fibre. Not sure where the funding came from but most of the work has been done over the last few months by Airband. The interesting bit is that is been done by stringing up mile after mile of fib

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Nigel Emery

I thought I'd read that that plan had been kicked into the long grass although I can't find much info searching. I think this sort of confirms it: <https://newsroom.bt.com/were-pausing-our-digital-voice-plans-for-consumers-while-we-work-

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 18 Hours ago by: Certes

I think so, though we didn't use that term at the time.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: tony sayer

Was that a E1 circuit?...

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Robert

94xxx series is still occupied by (generally) long-withdrawn NPCCS vehicles. 95/96xxx are similar, 97xxx is for service (and battery) locos, 98xxx steam locos. 99xxx still has some historic coaches occupying its ranks but nothing in

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: tony sayer

In article <rn4o6hd73jv0kl7d365gp5nhud8khqmpjp@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> scribeth thus Transcoding IIRC - bad juju!...

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: tony sayer

In article <t4jngu$165v$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com scribeth thus We got rid of the POTS line somewhile ago and went VoIP that number comes up on the mobbie now as an extension, all works well. In a good reception area, if i

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Johannes Picht

5'8" is a strange experience, too: https://goo.gl/maps/pjRZKJBbq5enRk857 And a bit further on, you can enjoy the fun of reverse running in continental Europe: https://goo.gl/maps/hjK24cj3mSTB2k7C9 Cheers, Johannes.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 21 Hours ago by: MB

I did not zoom in enough.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

(a) No it doesn't (b) They are almost always in 3" increments.

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Ho, hum. That's exactly the type of van which comes to grief so often in Ely (and surprise, surprise, both bridges are marked are 9ft). To feel "low in a car", I'd suggest something closer to Stonea's 6'6" (which is similar to many mul

Re: BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: MB

https://goo.gl/maps/5WssY7UmiMweMFdW9 Sign seems to read 9' 10"

BBC: Van driver reported after railway bridge crash

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: MB

I think I have been through there and I remember the bridge did seem very low, even in a car! Van driver reported after railway bridge crash https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-61283163

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The actual problem of course, isn't voice that's slightly Darlek, but dropouts where there's either silence, or so little bandwidth available one only receives every third word.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But not as a "cloud". The sort of things they do understand are that if your data is held in a territory with very weak data protection regime, you are at risk. Sadly not, the wires lace our streets and cost a fortune to replace. Pr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And people do. The price does not reflect the cost of the infrastructure. He showed how to build sewers in dense urban areas. It doesn't scale to the sorts of places which still have septic tanks.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

You could say the same for water and electric. Some services should be fundamental though sadly even today some rural places still have to use septic tanks 150 years after Bazeljette showed how it was done.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Says someone who's never had to make a 999 call in the middle of the night for a sick child. The mobile signal has been dodgy here now and then. Only because BT in its infinite stupidity is still charging line rental AND call charges in

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Plenty of big companies had distributed systems around various offices whether it be file servers or databases. There is that. Though with the EU making noises about data privacy (as usual techno illiterate beaurocrats making rules abo

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

And as I said, not forever. All they do (for various definitions of "all") is an FFT on the incoming data and only write out the level of the frequencies that the algorithm thinks the ear can hear. Different algos will have different ide

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Bob

Wikipedia suggests the Euro Dual family are in the range 114 to 126 tonnes, depending on variant, which is a little less than a 66, but within the normal range for 6 axle locomotives. Robin

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

The class 67 was geared to run at 125mph, but hasn't and will never run at that speed. It would have ben much better if it had been geared for 110mph. These new 99s may be rather heavy.

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: Theo

Possibly, although it seems like class numbering is being driven by marketing departments these days - 'nicer' to have 0s, 5s and repeating digits (eg 700, 707, 717, 720, 745, 777) rather than 'ugly' numbers (331, 379). Wouldn't be surpr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

BT's woes arise mainly from being strictly regulated, and the Universal Service Obligation. The regulatory regime was conceived mainly to stop the sort of predatory behaviour which has been allegedly seen in some transport sectors, whe

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Tweed

CityFibre are cherry picking and are therefore removing vast tracts of profitable customers from OpenReach. I’m afraid it’s down to BT’s short sighted management that thought they could carry on sweating the copper assets with the b

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

We don’t have many details yet except that it’s a Co-Co and will have a top speed of 75 mph. That makes it pretty much like the (majority of the) class 66 and the class 92; the class 60 is heavier but slower, the class 67 has an even

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

'Cityfibre' sounds like they might be cherry-picking easy to connect premises. One of BT's problems (well, Openreach's really) is rural customers, some of whom can barely get a connection in the megabits. Connected of course by long wi

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I had ISDN at home (long before ADSL) and the dial-on-demand 128k was just as good [as long as the transit at the far end wasn't contended too much] as a 64k leased line (we later had several of those between premises). But the main rea

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

There is also a commercial driver. If your competitors put in fibre, with higher marketable speeds and lower running costs, how are you going to sell and thus fund the maintenance of a crumbling copper network? The existing cohort of I do

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Remote, yes, but not distributed in the sense of a cloud. Of course, that's part of the "problem" with clouds, you have no idea what country your data is being stored in (unless you buy a premium product). The main reason is that the

Re: A remarkably cheap ticket (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 16 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The two question marks in the quote above, arrived with me as hand clap and thumbs up emojis; perhaps your client can't cope with those. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 18 Hours ago by: Christopher A. Lee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Flake

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

👏👍

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 20 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

I scream!

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

99 - it’s going to be flakey

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

So, fires, maybe? It's going to get pretty hot in there.

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Won't have any problems, it's a freight loco!

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 22 Hours ago by: Christopher A. Lee

I didn't say it was the same as. There are a lot of different compression algorithms out there, and you lose quality each time it's converted from one to another.

Re: GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99" (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

I wonder why it's not class 94? Seems like another strange new class number. So, let's speculate where it will be deemed faulty — cracking, noisy, overheating, causing track damage?

A remarkably cheap ticket

uk.railway

Posted: 16 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Just done Partick to Glasgow Queen Street off peak day return. Admittedly only two stops but 2.4 miles by foot. £1.45 return with a rail card!

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Muttley

Not really. Analogue will consistently lose fidelity with each copy. With lossy digital compression it'll eventually get to a point whereby all the info that can be stripped out by various algos has been and it won't get any worse no mat

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Muttley

"Cloud" is nothing more than a buzzword dreamt up by some marketing oik no doubt to justify his job. Remote computing and storage has been around since the 50s long before the internet. BT soon to ditch its old-hat analogue phone lines

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/health-and-safety/track-worker-struck-by-london-underground-train-28-04-2022/

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

They really aren't that bad. Typically they are both of sufficiently high quality, and more to the point not susceptible to multi-second 'brownouts', that this isn't the explanation.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

The phrase probably goes back to Radio 1 (and a few pirate stations before them) who broadcast news at xx:30, reportedly to lure listeners away from mainstream stations at xx:00 when they interrupted the groovy hit parade with news for gr

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: tony sayer

Yes well an *ISDN "line" is yours for the duration of its use like a dedicated point to point line but for an interview with the public its changed a lot mow and as were all so used to mobile phone break up perhaps we need to adopt to it;

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Certes

The private-circuit switches I worked on around 1990 (for BT and others) connected pairs of 64k circuits, as they were designed to carry two-way voice with one circuit per direction. They came in bundles of 16 pairs (2Mbit/s total), of w

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: tony sayer

In article <1l94PhaPk3aiFAn5@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> scribeth thus Well been that way since around 1920 ish... Dunno! Any idiot knows where the large hand and little hand go don't they;?...

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

Or just crap microphones in the laptops.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Christopher A. Lee

You lose signal quality with each compression and expansion. Rather like copying a copy of a VHS tape.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Historians have traced the term "Cloud Computing" back to 1996, but I didn't hear it much until perhaps 2005 when Google and Amazon were about to launch their mass market products. From a regulatory point of view (data protection issues

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 3 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

But no one ever called the Internet the cloud until cloud services started to be offered, except “_The Cloud” wireless hotspot operator. Yes, they had an underscore at the beginning of their network name so that it would sort to the

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I just think it reflects badly on the telecomms industry, because nobody deserves an actual "line" with the terrible quality of many of these live radio interviews. I don't really understand why so many people have such terrible IP

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

That's shorthand for "Cloud computing", though. You first need the cloud to connect them all together. The most well known example being The Internet. That's shorthand for "Cloud services". The first cross-London Internet backbone c

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Agreed, that "top of the hour" is much more commonplace, but they were bandying around "bottom of the hour" behind the scenes on a news channel that had half-hourly bulletins.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 6 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Cloud = my data on someone else’s computers, except that the word cloud now seems to be replacing web at a general catchall for some kind of networked service. I was peripherally involved in providing a connections for a small number

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 7 Hours ago by: NY

"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message news:1l94PhaPk3aiFAn5@perry.uk... Maybe incomprehensible to anyone who isn't familiar with an analogue clock mounted on a wall. 12 o'clock (xx:00) is at the top of the clock ("top of

GBRF orders Stadler "Class 99"

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graham Harrison

https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2022/04/29-stadler-bimode-class-99-locomotives.html a form of the Stadler "Eurodual" Wikipedia tells me class 99 was Sealink ships!

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Well the station is a listed art deco building and the A4 fits the style, more so than a Merchant Navy (unrebuilt of course).

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Or line, which is immediately comprehensible.

Secrets of the London Underground - NEW SERIES

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: NY

Series 2 of Secrets of the London Underground starts on Yesterday on Thursday 5 May 2022 at 20:00. Set your PVRs to record it! DOCUMENTARY: Secrets of the London Underground On: Yesterday (27) Date: Thursday 5th May 2022 (starting in 6 da

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <lh3j6h90tnjqc6outcdlj41q4v68njk8ml@4ax.com>, at 19:46:39 on Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Although the article you link to says "a locomotive speeding through Surbiton station" and w

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Of course not, clouds are made from numerous connections using several technologies (between nodes), but the distinction is they aren't point-to-point. I'm not advocating the interviewers refer to it as a cloud, by the way, I think I

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I know, but I'm allowed to think that inflicting the expression on the listening public is irritating. Another one that slips out sometimes is "top/bottom of the hour", which I think would probably be merely incomprehensible.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 14 Hours ago by: Nobody

Blimey. So you're suggesting that any CLOUD communication "absolutely, totally, is not involving, is unconnected, and singularly transmitted" from spouted source to receiver's ears via radio waves entirely, un-relayed by hard physical c

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: Certes

In related news, "COVID-19 does not affect your ability to travel with dogs",[1] so anyone concerned that self-isolating might prevent their journey need only procure a pooch. Also valid on selected escalators. [1] <https://www.thetrain

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: tony sayer

In article <SBAxWuC4AlaiFAAs@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> scribeth thus Having been involved in broadcast engineering for many years its just called a "Line" doesn't matter what the transport medium, its still a Line, even

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: tony sayer

In article <t4doif$mqb$2@dont-email.me>, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd- dryver.com> scribeth thus Yes thanks for that Link kept me occupied most of the afternoon reading that lot;!...

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

I don't think anyone knows what the trams are called nowadays, as most people don't know they exist, and the ones who do know, know them by a name which is kind-of obsolete except when it isn't. "Not all National Rail tickets are valid

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Many owners of exempt vehicles still get an MoT, just for peace of mind. The dishwasher shelves make crunchy noises when sliding for several washes afterwards. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 19 Hours ago by: Theo

The MOT tester's manual used to be full of things like 'if the vehicle was designated by the Science Museum of London to have been built before 1895, then...', presumably for those early cars that had no brakes, or steering, or whatever.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and Latimer (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

It varies between lines. Where there is no graduation of the transition from open air to tunnel the brickwork is IIRC more of an aesthetic feature with tunnel lining segments immediately behind.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

They did when the line was first built, that was how the stock arrived. The connection was removed years ago, presumably not being regarded as of practical use.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Original U-shaped glass tubes filled with mercury, mounted above the track between the tunnel portal and the last place which could legitimately be accessed by full-size stock, and positioned such that tube-sized trains passed underneath

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

See here https://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/30991/mercury-switches-hoops-hounslow-barons

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 17 Days 23 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

What systems are those?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days ago by: Roland Perry

Does "everyone know what you mean" by that? Sounds like trolling to me. You could at the very least agree or disagree that "everyone knows" what a locomotive is. [It's at the front of a train with a driver in the cab]

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

You are pathetic

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

Thank you; I'll remember to use the "everyone knows what is meant" defence in future. eg "Everyone knows" that the front coach of an EMU is the locomotive, because it has a drivers' cab. "Nobody is interested" in whether it also has p

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, Hounslow West to Hatton Cross is cut and cover, with a short excursion above ground to cross a river. It's deep tube under the airport.

Re: Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Recliner

I had time for a return trip to Okehampton this afternoon, but didn't fancy the substitute bus, so am doing an Exmouth return instead.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Apart from you, nobody cares, everyone knows what is meant.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and Latimer (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Or more blatantly the Overground (Wombling free, or otherwise).

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Certes

The official "Tube map" shows many lines which nobody would call tubes, such as Reading and the Croydon tram. <https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/images/tube-map.gif>

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They could easily have had a connection to National Rail at Northumberland Park depot I'd have though. Or do they just crane themthe fifty feet sideways?? I'm sure there will be, just as having emerged from under-the-ground they'll li

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Chatting to the MoT inspector while he was testing my silly car recently, he said it was sometimes a challenge when he got a car like mine which isn't fitted with many things which he usually tests, such as windscreen (and therefore was

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They may do some such interviews using POTs, but I'm sure it's rare. Whether that kind of circuit switched connection is "a line" or not is a debate for a different newsgroup. All the ones which come to grief nowadays are clearly Vo

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 5 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

The current Victoria line trains are too big for the Piccadilly line and were therefore unable to be delivered by rail. Central line has a non-standard higher 3rd rail. Previous generations of stock have transferred between all lines

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 6 Hours ago by: NY

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t4but4$5di$1@dont-email.me... Leaving aside issues such as power supply and signalling (and permission!), is it physically possible for all deep-level tube trains to fit on each oth

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Again, a colloquialism relating to older usage and terminology. On the other hand it is not necessarily in a "cloud" and can still be a physical line. So your irritation is misplaced ffs. Standard everyday examples: interviews from St

Re: Islnd Line Improvements? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It is often the case that planned improvements are over-sold by the promoters, which simply leads to disappointment when they under-deliver. Railways appear to be particularly prone to this.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Muttley

Obviously everyone just refers to them as tube trains but if you want to be pedantic then sub surface stock isn't and certainly wasn't in the past when it was carraiges hauled by steam locomotives!

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Of course *people* are also carried by escalators, but not lifted up by another person.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Yes, it's one of those words whose original derivation has been adopted [colloquially and as official branding] for a wider range of technologies. Not that even the original 'Underground' lines were entirely that, much being on the sur

Re: Islnd Line Improvements? (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

How to run a railway when you really want to get rid of it.

Islnd Line Improvements?

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Lew 1

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/timetables If residents thought they might end up with a nice regular half-hourly service from end to end, they will be severely disappointed… the service drops to hourly during the a

Re: Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

The hourly service is shown in the new May timetable.

Re: Delay repay delay (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: martin.coffee

gWr seems to post vouchers about the same time as the email.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

You can always rent one, I seem to remember a number of start-ups offering such a service.

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <2nej6ht054gnl25qtrjg86fktklivmj0tr@4ax.com>, at 22:53:42 on Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Wikipedia quotes a non-official source which reads: "When it was introduced in 196

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm not querying the possibility of two measurement units, but 12,500 miles is co-incidentally a reasonably round number [nor did they choose 12,400 which would be a closer conversion], and 9,300 isn't. Even 9,500 would have been bette

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 14 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

You could take a train to them and sneak in at the bottom?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Graham Nye

I'm unable to use deep level tube stations because I don't own a dog.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and Latimer (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Cast Iron v Aluminium/ sheet steel ? My money is on the tunnel winning fairly easily with negligible damage.

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Having now tracked back to s.66 Road Traffic Act 1960 (as enacted), I see nothing "voluntary" about the tests in 1960 as there were penalties of fines or imprisonment (second or subsequent offence) for not having a valid MOT certificate i

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Wonkypaedia says 7 years from 1962 on then 3 years from April 1967. It also says it was originally 10 years but voluntary which doesn't quite sound right.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

There's also one in Ontario, I think near Kingston.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Nigel Emery

Only 11 minutes late in the first series! By the third it was 22. My favourite: Twenty-two minutes late, badger ate a junction box at New Malden

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Arthur Figgis

And by TfL, so it's perhaps not surprising that non-anoraks don't know the problem.

Re: New tube for london (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 19 Hours ago by: London calling

45 seconds on S stock.

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

IIRC when first introduced it was after 5 years, not three, but too many vehicles were failing it badly.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 19 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Not just the roof!

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tweed

I wonder if the change in MOT frequency was something they were planning anyway.

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Historically, climate and manufacture probably caused vehicles in the UK to rot quicker.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Like the pedants who erect signs at various locations prohibiting them being passed by other than tube trains?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and Latimer (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Because if you actually manage to get it into a tube tunnel you will rip the roof off.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Apparently the current "Surbiton Flyer" sign is somewhat off the original topic anyway, being originally a local cyclist. https://lynwoodf.wiki.zoho.com/localhistory/The-original-Surbiton-Flyer.html My suspicion is that the current pub s

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s also every two years in France, the first test after the vehicle is 4 years old. Likewise in Spain, except it becomes annual after year 10. UK seems a bit of an outlier.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Velorail is quite common on disused lines in many countries; somewhat rarer, though not unknown, sharing a working railway with actual powered passenger trains <https://www.velorailardeche.com/en/> <https://www.trainardeche.fr/en/journee-

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Because it's a full size train, not a teeny tiny one to fit through a Tube tunnel. Though as has already been said, that distinction is lost on the general media and general public and it's pointless to try to argue against it any more.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: GB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRh8OkDDDE Yes, someone was bound to find a pedal powered railway. Sorry it was me.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, it's been that way for years. Only pedants still bother to distinguish between them. Just as with other underground systems (eg, Berlin) with two sizes of train, passengers don't need to care about them, just as they don't need to wo

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, a nice round number. I suppose, if they were going to round it, it would have to be 9k miles, not 10k. Yes

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s not just common parlance - it is used by TFL for both deep and sub surface lines: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: NY

"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message news:t4br1s$2ki$1@dont-email.me... Yes I think it's a slightly petty distinction. "The Tube" in common parlance (and the BBC News site is write for lay people, not railway experts) ha

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: GB

That's quite a fine distinction. :)

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: Muttley

Because Met line trains are almost the same size as mainline trains albeit slightly lower but slightly wider, and don't run through single bore tube shaped tunnels.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: GB

I'm lost. Is this the Metropolitan line, and why is it not a tube train?

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Graeme Wall

Colloquially the whole system is referred to as the Tube and therefore all UndergrounD trains are referred to as tube trains by the meeja. Hopefully.

Re: London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and Latimer (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Christopher A. Lee

That's a copy of the RAIB statement, except that Aunty Beeb changed the header from "Track worker struck by a train" to "London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube". Which was wrong - it's not even a tube train. The report says h

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: nib

Not uncommon! My Fiesta was 12,500 miles (ie 20000 km). nib

London Underground: Track inspector hit by Tube near Chalfont and

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61245074>

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I've won bet with myself - that this would be one of the first comments! As for the breaking even, what matters for MOTs is making use of the assets (the equipment and staff training) to the fullest extent, and that's where the 'mass m

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 4 Hours ago by: Theo

I generally avoid cut-price MOTs, because they barely break even for the garage even at full price and a cut-price is an incentive to 'find' more things wrong with it. There are certain faults which become bigger if they are left for lo

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I expect they are bit more severe than us when it comes to spot-checking for things like worn tyres (which wear out per mile, not per annum), and the population is generally more law-abiding when it comes to matters involving a social

Re: OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Tweed

Germany has for years has a 24 month gap between their equivalent of the MOT. Modern petrol cars have a 2 year service interval.

OT: Grant Shapps and a zero sum game

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Well, it's transport-related, and it helps to have lobbyists (and ministers) who can do arithmetic Zero-cost (to HMG) cost of living proposals: An idea proposed by Grant Shapps would cut the requirement for motorists to c

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

.... I did work quite well for the railways (at least to begin with), especially in the areas of communicating with the public, and introducing innovations. The only way the Passport Office is trying to deal with the backlog is by (b

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <dghg6hls1ed4og6ehsfdsu43ajv065hkkd@4ax.com>, at 20:23:19 on Tue, 26 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Sure, but there's a group of people whose toes curl when they see a news story illustrated

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

As far as I'm concerned the Met to Uxbridge became "turn up and go" when they increased the frequency from every 20 minutes to every 15 minutes. Seems like a small change, but somehow it made all the difference. Of course, that was qu

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.transport.london

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Recliner

Are you aware of the current (not-so) 'special service' on the Met? Plus, Chesham never gets better than 2 tph, for obvious reasons.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

For some outer destinations you night need to take the first train to Harrow and change there. Similarly, if you are east of Baker Street you might need to change either at Finchley Road (everything going out of London stops there at the

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 16 Hours ago by: hounslow3@yahoo.co.u

I recently had to travel to Metroland, also assuming that it would be 'turn up and go.' It was about 30 minutes before the train that I needed actually arrived.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

It is also often a mistake to presume a pub sign is based on reality.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 19 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

If it’s in trouble, privatise it! After all it’s worked so well for all other public services and utilities, especially the railways. Sam

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days ago by: Graeme Wall

And now, blame it on the civil service: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61233206>

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days ago by: Roland Perry

A streetview with a pub sign in it. Do keep up!

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 1 Hour ago by: ColinR

Again I hear goalposts being moved by you! I was responding to a line in your post on 24th at 0729 in which you said "In other news, did A4's ever visit Surbiton?" Absolutely nothing about pub signs.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

What is meant is "significantly enough for a pub sign to commemorate it" (~70yrs later).

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

And I don't believe in co-incidences wen it comes to issues in the press. It's all part of a campaign. So today we have: <https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/passport-delay-renewal- summer-holidays-b2065433.html>

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Just realised that is the train I saw, just before the photo on that page was taken. I was on a train up to Waterloo from either Raynes Park or West Ewell and saw it pass in the opposite direction. Wasn't able to get the number as I wa

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

According to a Mr Perrin, they were 11 minutes late at Surbiton.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 5 Hours ago by: ColinR

Depends upon what is meant by "visited Surbiton". If this means did an A4 ever stop at Surbiton I cannot help. But if it means passing through Surbiton then yes, two locos, Mallard and Seagull. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Locomot

Re: Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 5 Hours ago by: Ken

Surely this predates the Retoring Your Railway programme?

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <cr9e6hpb0uiv6ofeh6r8rjbbiug28fvpnu@4ax.com>, at 00:00:16 on Tue, 26 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Is that sufficient justification for a pub sign, though. (The name of the train is wrong,

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 10 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

But apparently not for passports (especially the old ones), which I find surprising in this day and age. I think I was first aware of them in the mid-80's when a 'proper' graphic artist wanted to know what to specify for some brochures

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 16 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Ah, got the answer. :-) 24 Feb 1963 https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/630324lc.html

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Ah, right. My search of the Pantone web site was way too cursory. Thank you. Sam

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 18 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Thank you for that. So, Roland, yes, when I was a child they[1] did have[2] Pantone numbers. [1] FSVO “they” [2] FSVO “have” Sam

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 21 Hours ago by: nib

Although "Silver Link" has genuine railway connections! (An A4) nib

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bob

I always thought "Silverlink" was rather silly. Robin

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

Thanks, I couldn't remember that date. So, that advice is 30+ years out of date!

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Bob

The separate Hammersmith and City line identity was split off from the Metropolitan line in 1991. Robin

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter Johnson

I made use of the Hammersmith interchange last Tuesday. If I'd known you were going to raise it I would have paid more attention to it.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

Someone made an FOI request in 2018. Judging from the response I wonder how the blue colour was specified, and perhaps the lack of specification is why we are where we are. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/454794/response/1102325/a

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 20 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Ouch! That's a real boo-boo. It's a very long time since Paddington was served by the Met.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days ago by: Mark Goodge

The first PMS guide was produced in 1963, with ten colours, according to this article: https://www.fastcompany.com/3050240/how-pantone-became-the-definitive-language-of-color Pantone's website also mentions 1963, but the infographic (n

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

Since neither the company website nor Wikipedia says when the PMS numbers were introduced, I don’t know the answer to that question. The Pantone company certainly seems to have existed during my childhood. Sam

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 1 Hour ago by: Roland Perry

When you were a child, did they have Pantone numbers?

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Wilson

When I was a child “French Navy” was darker than “Navy Blue”, but I don’t suppose that would be an acceptable description. Sam

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The government says they are blue. By which I can only assume they mean "Navy Blue". It's curiously difficult to find the Pantone number, but it might be "Bristol Black". The old one wasn't "pure black", it had shades of blue, just like

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Scores of things *could* have been part of the leave negotiations. Just ask fishermen, residents of NI, people with holiday homes in Spain/France, most exporters, but especially truckers using Dover. But Boris/Frost either couldn't be b

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

We need to bear in mind the target audience for this kind of advice. Almost by definition they aren't familiar with the routings available, let alone the layout of individual London terminus station. I'd be much happier, for example, t

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 6 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <q31b6hlto4qq3vkmsttj3gporvlg19srsa@4ax.com>, at 18:10:46 on Sun, 24 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Not really, the pub sign "Surbiton Flyer" has an A4.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 8 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes to all of those. Hammersmith Piccadilly is open air, but with covered platforms and waiting rooms, so it's a nicer place to wait than most deep Tube platforms. If not in a hurry, you could also pick up a snack in the shops above, or c

Dartmoor Line: Upgrade work ahead of start of hourly services

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-61189145>

Re: One million half-price rail tickets offer to boost tourism and ease cost squeeze (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The Guardian has been doing the same sums, but revels a new hiccup: "A million off-peak, mostly advance, train tickets have gone on sale, discounted by up to 50%. To get the lower prices you have to book by 23.59 on 2 May, a

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: Theo

Thanks. So probably marginally more hassle than the twisty passages all alike of KXSP, but possibly an option if you aren't in a hurry / want some more variety / daylight / mobile signal / possibly quieter trains. Might also be a more p

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 19 Hours ago by: nib

for-its-57th-year-on-wednesday-20th-september/ When I was at school, I certainly turned out early one morning to see an A4 when it ran on Southern lines, but can't remember if I went to Waterloo or Woking. It must have gone thro' Surbi

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, as we discussed earlier, the wacky names came a few years after franchising began; the original franchies mostly had prosaic geographic names. I think they were mainly the work of NatEx and First, who also tended to go in for very co

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Declining to use HEx because some people haven't caught up with a network change 13 years ago, is like telling people not to use Eurostar because they no longer run to Waterloo! So go to the correct platform then. H&C, Circle and Distri

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Wessex came later, the original franchise was Wales and West. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Close, it is attributed as the LAPD's motto from 1955 https://www.culinaryepicenter.com/my-mom-wrote-the-motto-to-protect-and-to-serve/

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

I photographed my brand-new passport when I got it in 2020, before it could fade, using a reference grey card to correct the white balance, and then looked at the colour components. The new ones are definitely black, not an inky blue.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

aka "Vomitlink" because of that colour scheme. It didn't overcome the description "DC line".

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Possibly the consequence of mail being routed via the Clyde Coast in earlier times before the Erskine Bridge and upgrading of roads in the West Highlands ?

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Will you accept an A1 ? ;-) https://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/15498385.talking-of-trains-launches-for-its-57th-year-on-wednesday-20th-september/

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

I dug out my old passports. Not quite black, as determined by holding against some black plastic in sunlight. More like black with one tiny drop of blue paint that fell in by mistake.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

So, another failure of Brexit.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

Definitely black. I've photographed it and analysed the colours, and it's pure black, just like its pre-EU predecessors: https://flickr.com/photos/recliner/50736712997

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Thought they were supposed to be blue!!!!

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Shows how long it is since I've been there!

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

Well yes, push us to a change of passport. They’ve pulled the same trick to try to expunge GB number plates with EU stars on them by now requiring UK instead. I was half thinking of renewing my passport early, but in going to the passpo

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

That closed many years ago! You just walk across the road when the little green man invites you to do so. It's all on the level. The Piccadilly/District station is just inside the shopping centre, and can't be missed. After the barriers

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

The negotiations were a series of trade-offs. If we'd insisted on uniquely favourable treatment on this minor, temporary point, we'd have had to concede something else that mattered more to us. In any case, this government was probably qu

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Involves an underpass to get across Hammersmith Broadway.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Recliner

It's long been the case that most other countries did not accept passport validities longer than 10 years, and most countries require a passport to be valid for at least three or six months on entry. We were the odd ones out, but now conf

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tweed

Your response to 2) just shows you missed your calling as an inflexible official. Rules can be changed and such a rule could have been part of the leave negotiations. 10 years is an arbitrary number, so why not 10 years 9 months for alrea

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

iirc it's on the level coming out of the Circle/H&C station, but then you have to cross the road and find the Piccadilly/District station, which reportedly has lifts down to the platform level.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

I'm sure they did that to smooth out the peaks of demand, where they'd otherwise be overwhelmed in Late spring by people renewing their summer-sun passports at the last minute, to avoid having to miss out on part of the previous one's

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: NY

"Jeremy Double" <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:328813124.672420718.481132.jmd.nospam-btinternet.com@news.individual.net... I remember there was a bit of fuss when the official postal address for The [Yorkshire] Dalesma

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

Not well known to a lot of people though. To most reasonable people the expiry date should mean just that. I’ve certainly not seen a concerted advertising campaign by HMG pointing out how they’ve screwed things up, but you wouldn’t

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

This was well-known ages ago. I duly replaced my old maroon passport well before its 10 year anniversary.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Recliner

It's an OSI. Hammersmith H&C is at ground level, cross the road, go into the shopping centre, one lift down to either platform.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Theo

What's the interchange like at Hammersmith between Circle/H&C and Piccadilly? Looking at the journey planner it seems about evens using either to get from St Pancras. Possibly the Circle/H&C would be an option for those wanting an alter

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

Well there’s three lots of stupidity by various authorities here: 1) UK for issuing passports valid for 10 and a bit years, against all international standards. 2)Schengen for not making an exception for such passports, since it’s ult

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 2 Hours ago by: ColinR

Whilst it has now changed*, for a long time many of the Western Isles had a Paisley (PA) postcode. Even now Oban is a PA postcode, some 58 miles apart and Tiree is over 100 miles away (PA77). *I believe that Stornoway used to come unde

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Brexit - the gift which keeps on giving. .... They should indeed, but often there's not the political will to rub people's noses in Brexshit. I've had a sticker inside my passport for about three years now, to remind me to renew "

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Depends where you are starting from, but let's assume the MML platforms. One lift down to ground level. U-turn, first right, through the "Market", and then there's a lift which also serves the HS1 platforms. Down to the "Northern Tick

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

And the other version: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-61202948> A family have lost £3,000 on a holiday after the mum was not allowed to board a flight due to a post-Brexit rule for entry to a group of European count

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Clive Page

Agreed, but 'step free' at St.Pancras means taking, if I remember correctly, about 5 lifts. Most of them are well hidden, and at any given time the chances that all are actually in working order is smallish. Be prepared to lug your lugg

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

For heavy rail (and subsurface TfL) outside the North/South circulars, on a one-leg trip, perhaps. Yes, I know HEx is outside that perimeter, but it has competition if the destination is beyond Paddington. A change at somewhere like Pa

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marland

We fitted a Whitbread Trophy counter display to the roof of my mates Austin Cambridge back in the 1970’s and arranged for it to flash when on the way to New Forest Pubs. The Police expressed a dim view but took no action.( We always us

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marland

I’m about to depart for an overseas holiday so have not got time to list details but there is heck of a lotof railway history west of Hammersmith to look for. Look up the history of the LSWR and District line and how the LSWR making th

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

Taken from the Californian (?) police motto, to Protect and to Serve, allegedly a Hollywood invention. I came across a faux American police car in Southampton with the legend: To Protect and to Serve Beer, belonged to the landlord of a

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 7 Hours ago by: Tweed

Not just a railway thing. The whole country was in thrall to the branding folk. Consignia anyone? Also remember when every brand name had to be accompanied by a mission statement strapline, eg “Metropolitan Police - working for a safer

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 7 Hours ago by: Recliner

Silverlink Metro and County? Wessex is more whimsical than geographic. WAGN was, technically, geographic, but not very helpfully.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 7 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Silverlink with their purple and green trains? I liked the livery, which seemed to make me a bit unusual, but the name made no sense. Sam

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 8 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

I thought every 15 minutes was considered the general baseline for 'turn up and go' operation? Lizzie will eventually be every 10 mins, IIRC. Every 5/6 minutes not good enough for you? Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 8 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Which ones other than c2c, One and FCC do you consider 'wacky'? Most were a geographical name with the owning group appended, surely, or occasionally just the name of that group (Connex). Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <uc786h55p74731vnac93thl76tmb7nquj5@4ax.com>, at 17:04:56 on Sat, 23 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: Found my photo: http://perry.co.uk/images/Surbiton-July-1998.jpg Right location, wrong tr

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It was also thus (see what I did there?) in the telecoms industry. Still waiting for "3" to rebrand as "5" when they switch off their original network. Earlier, I came up with the branding "UK Online", for a startup consumer ISP, whic

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

They've put some new vinyl stickers on them, something like "Great Northern operated by Gatwick Express". But it's the bright red paint you see from a distance (contrasting with the white paint on the second unit-of-four) Early in lo

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

uk.railway

Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Perhaps because many were essentially independent startups. How about (although it wasn't coined immediately) "We Are Going Nowhere" (aka "three wheels on my WAGN, and we are still rolling along").

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

Back in the day, the main advantage was an empty train at Gatwick, rather than one packed with Brighton commuters, and of course with some useful luggage space. Returning, there was an easy to find customer-friendly dedicated platform

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

It's the constant starting and stopping that's most wearing I think. I like people-watching, and how the crown thins out leaving mainly longhaul passengers, and wondering where they might be going, and why the are dressed like *that*.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 17 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, I think most of the first batch were MBOs, who had no interest in supposedly catchy branding. It was when they sold out to or were replaced by companies like First and NatEx, which acquired multiple TOCs, that some marketing genius d

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

They were returned some while ago. The white ex-c2c ones are now on direct lease to gWr rather than sub-lease, and have been modified to be able to operate as per the normal gWr fleet (rather than being restricted to Reading-Newbury, or m

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Most of the initial franchises (except Virgin) didn't have the franchisee identity in the name, IIRC. Later takeovers or refranchising established that habit. Northern Spirit was perhaps the 'silliest' of the initial franchise names?

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Recliner

Its main function is to rip off tourists who pay more than they would on SN services to Victoria, for the privilege of sitting bolt upright on tungsten seats for a couple of minutes shorter journey, as it skips the East Croydon and Clapha

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

Does the GatEx have any logic now that ThamesLink provide a decent service that starts at multiple stations within central (no don’t argue about the definition of that….) London?

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tweed

It’s utterly illogical, but I really don’t like the slow trio out to Heathrow on the tube.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 19 Hours ago by: Recliner

Presumably only until GatEx fully resumes its traditional schedule? Currently, I think it's running at 50%. I've also been on GatEx trains running SN services, away from normal GatEx routes. I think that's allowed some updating of SN's

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And I don't understand why the alleged tedium of a little under an hour on the Piccadilly Line is significant compared to the ensuing two to three hours of tedium at Heathrow, the five to ten hours of tedium on the onward flight, and

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, that's true, but I was anticipating the reopening of T4, probably in a couple of months. No changes, and more frequent trains. And, of course, if your journey starts in London, the Piccadilly is more likely to have a station nearb

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The bright red Gatwick Express Electrostars are now apparently a permanent fixture on GN to Kings Lynn.

Re: How to get to Heathrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Levine

So long as T4 remains closed, don't the Picc, HEx, and Liz all go to all open terminals? I agree that the Picc feels like it takes forever but since you don't have to change is usually just as fast.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 22 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, but FirstGroup was persuaded/volunteered to start the ball rolling first with its existing fGW—>GWR franchise. The silly brand names date from quite a few years ago, when early franchises were given more freedom to 'innovate'. Y

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 22 Hours ago by: Tweed

We did, but it was via eGates. The problems with manual checks are a) there are never enough staff allocated b) manual desks also handle people with complicated needs and if you get stuck behind one it can take an age to unclog the queu

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Like postal addresses, they mostly work as a routing via areas of narrowing precision rather than describing a place in actual local terms. The "out" half mostly matches the areas of sorting offices as they were around 60+ years ago; the

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

In message <328813124.672420718.481132.jmd.nospam-btinternet.com@news.individual.net <jmd.nospam@btinternet.com> remarked: I'm sure it is - Peterborough is an example I'm already aware of, with quite large tracts of north Cambridgeshire

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

As done a few years ago with ScotRail and London Buses, the operators' names occupying relatively minor areas with the general livery and branding set by the relevant government body.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Charles Ellson

Bearing in mind the first major dialling code change is now over 30 years ago, there are still quite a few places which have never bothered to have their signwriting above ground floor window level updated (Willesden High Road?). It seems

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

On my recent trip to Spain (Gran Canaria), my partner was waved off to the (queue-free) EU e-passport gates, and I joined the (long, but fast-moving) queue for a different set of e-passport gates; after these, was a rather makeshift-looki

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

We thought it was daft as well, AIUI the logic was the service area was bordered by the English Channel coast and the North Sea coast, which, of course, meet at Dover.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And: Makes it sound like we didn't have to go through Schengen checks before Brexit.

Re: Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Jeremy Double

Boston in Lincolnshire has a Peterborough (30 miles away in a different county) postcode, and Sleaford has a Nottingham (30 miles away in a different county) postcode. Horton in Ribblesdale has a Bradford postcode (33 miles away in West,

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days ago by: Charles Ellson

That is front v. mid rather than rear v. mid. I was thinking more on the lines of odd (and relatively uncommon?) sports cars where the engine is trying to get a bit too close to the driver.

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days ago by: Sam Wilson

Shame. I was just imagining the letters pages full of “how dare they treat us like the EU” fulmination. Sam

Re: OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days ago by: Tweed

Well the other week Madeira airport was entirely manual for Brits. The article states that eGates will be enabled at Funchal. If there’s someone just after with an entry stamp I don’t really mind. There was something similar at Schip

OT: You may use the ePassport gates to enter Portugal

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/22/portugal-treat-british-travellers-eu-citizens-borders-cut-airport/ (Paywall avoided of JavaScript turned off) Portugal has broken ranks to become the first EU country to defy Brexit by treating

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: ColinR

Maybe the Hampshire / Dorset coast as one and the Isle of Wight as the other??

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marland

Not the transport industry but perhaps Graeme has some insight as to why the ITV contractor TVS called its evening news programme Coast to Coast , would have been understandable if it had been Television Southwest whose service area incor

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marland

For the football business masquerading as a “club” it earns them quite a lot of money, though occasionally it causes image problems when the Sponsor becomes the corporate equivalent of persona non grata . GH

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tweed

Hasn’t it been a requirement of recent franchise awards to have a TOC independent name that can be bequeathed to a new encumbent without extensive alterations? Anyway, to reverse a bit, Thameslink is very obviously Thameslink these da

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

Yes, agreed, 'One' was the worst example, this time NatEx to blame. Another of their silly ones was/is c2c. They also gave us the two Silverlink branches. In contrast, Govia has always had straightforward, geographic names with no compan

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Recliner

First went through a misguided marketing phase of inserting the company brand in front of TOC names, but it has since been 'persuaded' not to do so. So, it's now GWR not fGW, TPE not fTPE, SWR not fSW, and Avanti WC not fWC.

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

And lots of modern buses are rear-engined.

Re: No travel problems (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

The best at the time was British Caledonian, which ironically codeshared with Sabena. I flew AA a lot, and they were better than BA. Analogy comprehension failure. It's about picking a local brand as a known quantity, rather than a f

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

Once you get above car/van size, and start putting the cab/body/load/passengers above a high chassis, then actual-mid-engine becomes more practical and more popular. Most trucks and coaches, for example. Anna Noyd-Dryver

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

One I remember from my schooldays was the old Bedford 3-tonner army lorry.

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: Graeme Wall

First was actually a bus company when they adopted the name, still a nonsense name but it was part of a trend at the time (see also One). Renaming the stadium is usually a precondition for the sponsorship. The whole point of sponsorsh

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: Roland Perry

From time to time that confusion has raised is head. Of course FCC wasn't the worst attempt at branding ever; I think that award must go to "One". Although for a time the two brands co-existed at Cambridge leading to lots of leg pulli

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: Sam Wilson

Someone on Wikipedia (or people, but at first glance it’s more likely one person’s project) does! <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design> Sam

Re: How to get to Hesthrow (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: NY

"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t3v5n9$ju7$1@dont-email.me... Yes, it looks as if the name "Thameslink" is back again. Ok. My mistake. I was getting my FCCs and Govias mixed up. But the point is that a TOC

Re: When does a railway have to be seperated from people? (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 5 Hours ago by: Anna Noyd-Dryver

That rules out the MGF and MX5 then! Anna Noyd-Dryver

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