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Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 10 Minutes ago by: RH

Note how liberal bigots revert to childhood when challenged and the continued wriggling by a member of the pc brigade ....RH

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 31 Minutes ago by: Najeeb ybo

Even more from stupidy stupidy Henderson confirming once again that he is an idiot..

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 6 Hours 53 Minutes ago by: Mike Holmans

As you implicitly acknowledge, that is not the unique answer to that problem. You don't have to abolish "the counties", but you can decide to ditch a third of them. I don't claim that it is a pleasant answer, but it is a different answer

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 2 Minutes ago by: RH

Yet more wriggling by the pc brigade ... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 5 Minutes ago by: RH

Wriggl,y...wriggly...wriggly ... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 14 Minutes ago by: Hamish Laws

which suggests that his contract didn't say he'd have to play for England teams if selected otherwise he wouldn't have been able to play it...

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Najeeb ybo

You interrupted before reading on. You truly are an idiot.

A Day at Lords 21st May - Mddlesex v Durham

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Posted: 9 Hours 56 Minutes ago by: RH

end of Day 3 Durham 350 and 25 for 3 (Roland-Jones 3-7) trail Middlesex 422 (Robson 84, Holden 71, Andersson 62, Stokes 4-72, Rushworth 3-60) by 47 runs Weather intermittently cloudy and sunny . Bright sunshine in the final session of t

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: David North

He was still England-qualified in 1996. From Wisden 1997: "His decision to play for Australia A in the winter made it virtually certain he would not return, as it meant the loss of his England qualification." Courtney Walsh was Glouces

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

I think his first stint in County Cricket for Gloucestershire was as an England qualified player, he turned down a spot in the England A team at the end of 95 and must have played for them as an overseas player in 96 Later he played for K

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

On further investigation, he was an overseas player, so he never signed a Kolpak contract, never stated that he would play for England if selected and did precisely none of the things that the village idiot and congenital liar said. As u

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Was Symonds a Kolpak player? He was born in the UK, so I thought he was just on a standard county contract

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

His lawyer at least would have been remiss if he didn't inform his client that the contract meant that he couldn't play for Australia while it remained in force. In a lot of the Kolpaks' cases - eg Jacques Rudolph - the clause was basic

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 12 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Personally I'm not convinced that Symonds would have looked further into the contract than "you'll be paid X to play country cricket for 3 years"

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 12 Hours ago by: RH

"I'm afraid he is too far gone for any further treatment , nurse. Just make him as comfortable as possible... " RH

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: RH

The UK has three times the population of Australia. Next! RH That much is a

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: RH

Playing for a county is an end in itself. That is why even in these fragmented days players have long career. Nor is the money trivial for a county regular. RH Yes, it's nice if you go on to Allow free entry for a day's CC on the

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I thoroughly agree, particularly that there are both areas of success and areas of failure. The thinking that I've been doing recently because of the conversations we've been having (among other reasons) is convincing me that it is in

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[I wrote: But there /is/ a unique answer to the problem that JZF points to [and which I agree is a problem], that if there many f-c teams then only a small proportion of the players are of Test standard. That much is a fact of mathemati

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I dispute "The". Certainly it is "A", but I think the Association of Cat-Skinners would beg to differ about there being a unique answer. All of us sitting around here pontificating on what will help players perform at ever-higher level

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Andy Walker

That amounts to a claim that there should not be more than four or five f-c sides in any one country or, for that matter, in any one sport. It's a point of view, and I can see why it might appeal to those countries/sports where there ar

Re: Pace bowler injuries - Once again I am proven absolutely right (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

For once, I think the village idiot has got a particle of the right answer, but largely by mistake. When the bowlers of the 1950s were small, their families mostly did not have cars, and certainly not spare cars for mum to use when dad

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

I'd have no objection to any England opener making 238 in 9 hours. Vince has never opened in a Test, although he has in ODI and T20I. At a bit of a stretch you could add Denly and Ali, who opened in 3 Tests each, but mostly didn't, an

Re: Pace bowler injuries - Once again I am proven absolutely right (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: max.it

As usual he's wrong and needs to be corrected.. Up to 13 5 overs per spell 10 overs per day U/14 & U/15 6 overs per spell 12 overs per day U/16 & U/17 7 overs per spell 18 overs per day U/18 & U/19 7 overs per spell 18 overs per

Re: Pace bowler injuries - Once again I am proven absolutely right (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

None of which is proven to be the cause so in no way are you proven to be right.

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

It's possible, along with a lot of other things that reduce the bone healing ability or the strength of bones, but I'd expect that there'd be nutritionalist consults and if I was the ECB (or county organisation) I'd be getting tests done

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

" The subcontinental patient is desperate for attention, doctor..." RH

Pace bowler injuries - Once again I am proven absolutely right

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/20/do-england-fast-bowlers-keep-getting-injured/ Simple explanation: (1) the rule that no one under the age of 18 may bowl no more than (I think) 6 overs in a spell has meant that bowlers do no

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: John Hall

I see that Jofra Archer has now joined the long list of bowlers with stress fractures of the back, before he was even fully fit from his previous injury. I wonder if insufficient calcium in the diet could be a factor in some cases?

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Unlike liberal bigot members of the ng I do not post fake accounts... RH

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: mike

or *reining in :)

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: mike

yes but I cant see macullum reigning in their attacking flair ;) and presumably lees will continue his role as top order limpet. Is it possible to make up a test XI of discarded england openers from the counties barring the current 2? C

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: max.it

Posterity shall not survey a nobler grave than this, Here lies the bones in the BoZo bin. Stop traveller and piss. max.it

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: max.it

https://northerncricketunion.org/database/2022/news/articles/article1631.shtml Luke's honesty about his future international ambitions has lost him his place in the FC competition. I like honesty. max.it

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Not disagreeing either, but why did they have such a hard time early on in their international careers? Might they have done better if they had had experience of high-pressure environments before they played Test cricket, given that suc

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

TYson had a FC career running from 1952 ( 1 match), a few matches in 1953 before making his Test debut in 1954 against Pakistan and then regular first class work until his retirement in 1960. Despite his short career Tyson took 767

Dukes admit 'quality issue' with batch of balls for early stages of

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/county-championship-2022-dukes-admit-quality-issue-with-batch-of-balls-for-early-stages-of-county-season-1315431 Manufacturers have sent out new boxes to counties after surge in number of 500-plus totals

Re: English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 7th round of matches (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

Debuts to date in 2022 Batsmen (1) James Wharton (Yorks) Wk Keepers - Pace Bowlers (4) Matt Potts (Derby) RFM Oliver Gibson (Durham) RFM Andrew Gorvin (Glamorgan) RM Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM Spinners - No

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 7th round of matches

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 7th round of matches No Debuts - very unusual to have such a long run without any debuts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ De

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <8be7ecd2-c1b8-4781-82df-ed84de3e4cd6n@googlegroups.com>, jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes I think the main problem with both Crawley and Pope is that they're TOO exciting, attacking balls that given the match sit

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: steve hague

Not disagreeing, but also it can take time for a player to adapt to Test cricket, time which T20 players don't have. How many Tests did Grahame Gooch play before he looked to be good enough? Or Mike Gatting? Steve Hague

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Indeed. Is it just my imagination, or are most of the people who get these stress fractures young bowlers? If so, then from his vast and entirely accurate memory the village idiot ought to be able to name all the bowlers who lasted abo

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

You're listing Frank Tyson as evidence that fast bowlers back then didn't have injury issues? How bold of you.. Also he had back issues before his test debut based on past perfomance that means there must be hundreds of them

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

I think he had stress fractures in his legs rather than his back I'd agree, I think averaged 21 when he had the first 1, 20.45 for 83 wickets when he had the second and 28.34 after he came back from that one. Quite likely, his bowling

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Hope it all goes well for both of you

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

First they came for the Australian cricketers, and I did not speak out—because I was not an Australian cricketer.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

That's not the village idiot himself. It's another idiot. I'd guess he's complaining that no-one sensible is getting involved in some argument between inhabitants of bozo bins. Cheers, Mike

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

Now now Robert. No-one likes a fake email account.

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Is the pressure caused by crowds/expectations/selectionworries/etc or skill differences? Pope is again averaging around 70 in CC. Far, far more than what he averages in Tests.

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Note that I'm not saying that Test players shouldn't play four-day cricket. I am saying that playing a season or two in the IPL is as valuable as playing county cricket was/is for the overseas players who came and learned about different

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

You only need to see the comfort with which Pope plays county cricket and how skittish he's seemed in an England top of late to underscore what you're saying. Richard

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

Nope because he was not English ... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

You've not answered this yet - did you consider Roy English? Up until he made his decision, that is.

In the 7th round the CC ...

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Stokes is playing for Durham Matty Potts is not playing for Durham Harry Brook is playing for Yorks RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

So long as you understand that's pure speculation.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

He signed the CC contract simply to allow him to gain entry to the CC. Next! RH .H

Cook vs Anderson. On live now!

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Cf1QKIqQc

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Strange how England Test teams playing in 3 day CC matches - which was the norm for the vast majority of the time from 1877 (when Tests began) until the 1990s - were considerably more successful than England sides have been sinc

Re: What the CC can't teach potential Test players (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I don't think the significant pressures of Test cricket are the same as those in T20. The primary cause of pressure in Tests is the high quality play. A batsman might face 50 balls without a decent scoring opportunity. Or a relentless bow

What the CC can't teach potential Test players

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I was talking to a bloke I vaguely know in my local coffee bar who was a professional footballer who went into coaching and is now retired. What football teams do in the first few minutes of a big game is assess which of the opposition pla

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 12 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

The only thing that excites me about this batting line up is Stokes @ #6. And of course the taken-for-granted Root.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 12 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

The contract he signed is tangible evidence of otherwise. You have nothing but your imagination.

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Place your bets here as to whether Lazarus is (1) building up to telling the ng that he has only weeks to live or (2 )is to be on life support for the rest of his life... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Dear oh dear. He clearly had no intent to play for England as was evidenced by his rejecting of England as soon as his bluff was called by his selection for England. RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

There's nothing to say. RH's ever changing and poorly articulated position on who is English and who is not most probably classifies Roy as "Not English". Now RH is complaining that Roy didn't play for England? RH should be happy. It

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days ago by: max.it

He's getting some feeling back now but it's still clumsy, probably it will be fine but it is taking a very long time to improve.He broke that same right side elbow before and he has that flexi thing in his joints hyperextension and it wa

Re: two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: mike

I think using the word axe is a bit harsh. Robinsons had several problems with injury and fitness since the ashes, so they are probably wise to wait til theyr sure hes fully recovered. However I think hes a much better bowler than overton

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Nasti Chestikov

There does seem to be some tumbleweed amongst the regulars.........maybe Mike's too busy on his crosswords and ignoring his (quite tasty) wife............

two new England caps for New Zealand Test squad

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/18/england-axe-ollie-robinson-hand-two-new-caps-new-zealand-test/ England axe Ollie Robinson and hand out two new caps for New Zealand Test squad In Brendon McCullum and Ben Stokes' first squad,

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Talk about snouts in the through ... RH

Re: Counties threaten 'breakaway' (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

There is something like a precedent for breaking away in English cricket although at the level of individual players . When the Packer revolution began in the late 1970s the English cricket authorities tried to ban those who took th

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: David North

Derbyshire. Looking at his record, he wasn't much cop at that either. https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/tom-harrison-14064

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

"Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected." https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: mike

He was still earning £512,000 pa after that, plus he got a share of the 2.1m bonus paid to ecb exec types last year, at the same time as they sacked 62 people.. And hes being doing this for 8 years so hes done pretty well for himself at

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

If I played for Gloucestershire for 3 years I'd also want to play cricket elsewhere.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

As someone with a similar life story to Roy (born in England, raised in Aus), I can assure everyone it's possible to feel a true bond to 2 different countries. If I was offered the chance to play for both countries my heart would say "En

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: jack fredricks

Well, yeah, the pandemic put a dent in things.

Re: Counties threaten 'breakaway' (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: jack fredricks

Let them. They'll come crawling back in no time. Play for England vs Play for a club that can't financially support itself.

Re: The ECB and the CC (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: jack fredricks

And almost none of that is thanks to County Cricket red-ball matches. FC is a dead product. Sure, there might be a few flutters here and there. But it's just a kicking corpse. I'd love for it to be more popular... but it's just not goi

The ECB and the CC

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: RH

The most astonishing thing about Harrison is his pay allegedly £500k . I have been watching county cricket since the 1950s. During that long period of time not once have those in charge of English professional cricket made a serious atte

Counties threaten 'breakaway'

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/17/tom-harrison-ecb-chief-executive-england-clare-connor/ Counties threaten 'breakaway' as Tom Harrison resignation plunges English cricket deeper into chaos Plus, Q&A: Why are the counties unhapp

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: max.it

That sounds like a lot. I'm not up on wages rises and cuts, I've seen my kid's payslips and they look like my entire annual HMRC return. max.it

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: steve hague

Imran Khan had one, which meant he played for Pakistan as a batsman for nearly a year. Ian Bishop would have been an ATG in my opinion if not for the injuries that beset him. I'd say the same about Simon Jones. Steve Hague

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mike Holmans

Everyone at the ECB took a 25% pay cut in 2020, I think. Cheers, Mike

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: max.it

I read Matt Fisher is out now too with a back injury. If bowling with full pace and control is causing bowlers to get hurt then something will have to give. It can't keep being the body and it can't be control so it would have to be pace

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: max.it

He had a pay rise of £114,000 in 2019 and then a 25% pay cut in 2020. That is quite some variation in quick time. There's a cunning plan in there somewhere. max.it

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

Oh dear, I do hope Lazarus is not leading up to telling the ng that he only has a few weeks to live or or that he will be on life support for the rest o his life... RH

Re: At bloody last (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

His salary was said to be £500,000 which tells you something about the amount of money in English cricket at present. RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

"Andrew Symonds signed a three-year contract with Gloucestershire which included the clause that he will play for England if selected." https://cricxtasy.com/news/andrew-symonds-rejected-play-england-for-australia-dream/cid7401707.htm

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE OF LIBERAL BIGOT TO NON PC KLAXON ! PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE OF LIBERAL BIGOT TO NON PC KLAXON ! rh

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

That depends on how you take the Kolpak clause about making oneself available for England if selected. Saying that you will while having no intention of doing so if actually selected is at least arguably pretending to be English. But i

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

None of that says that he pretended to be English or called himself English.. It does, however, say that "he declared that his allegiances lay with Australia" after one season of county cricket, not after "he had been playing in England f

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: max.it

I have fractured L4 & L5, the doctor showed me on a model where the breaks were. They never heal but tramadol helps although you don't realise that until you run out of meds for a few days. If pain from biliary colic was only as easily

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

LARGE LIST OF NAMES FROM THE 1950S KLAXON ! LARGE LIST OF NAMES FROM THE 1950S KLAXON !

At bloody last

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Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Harrison has resigned as ECB CEO. Clare Connor is taking over temporarily until a permanent successor is appointed. I doubt anyone will mourn his departure: it's been clear for two years that he is hopelessly bad at his job. I'd rather

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

The reasons I gave in an earlier post are plausible causes of stress fractures in pace bowlers. Those from the older generation who grew up in the period 1946-1960 (and earlier decades before) will remember large numbers of pace bow

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Yeah, it'd be unlucky. Normally if you're compressing nerves when you sleep you'll move to free them, occasionally people sleep with a leg pressing down on something and they've damaged a nerve so their foot flops for a fair while until t

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

a lot of small cracks in the lower spine, mostly it's down to overuse/repetitive forces being exerted It's also more likely with a mixed action a hell of a lot of quick bowlers get stress fractures in the back Lillee, Bishop, iirc Johnson

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Correct. RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Oh dear, yet another liberal bigot devoid of argument ... RH

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Simple explanation: (1) the rule that no one under the age of 18 may bowl no more than (I think) 6 overs in a spell has meant that bowlers do not have an opportunity to toughen their bodies from an early age by bowling as much as t

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <tvb58h1dnme71f73c6rat9faet09s3hhb8@4ax.com>, max. it <max@tea.time> writes That's amazingly unlucky. I believe most trapped nerves become untrapped very quickly. I hope he makes a full recovery. I've not heard of an instance

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <93d87ad5-5aab-4e4d-81ec-36699657ac0fn@googlegroups.com>, jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes I see from his obituary that his foster parents took the family to Australia when he was only three months old, and that h

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: max.it

Hayfever too. max.it

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: mike

It seems that fate wont allow them to fbs: some unwritten law determines they must decline to medium pacers. or maybe england fbs are just cursed. either way its the first blow for the new regime. add Wood whos just had surgery on hi

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: alvey

I still don't understand why you bother with Henderson. In the immortal words of the philosopher Joe Walsh, "You can't argue with a sick mind". alvey

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: alvey

Qld is in tears.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

By 1 racist clown. Roy was an Aussie, through and through.

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: max.it

My Son woke up with a dead arm, after a few moments everything came back to normal except his right hand is almost totally paralysed. His sleeping position trapped some nerves in his neck (C5, C6? )and it's going to be a big job to fix i

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

Simple explanation: (1) the rule that no one under the age of 18 may bowl no more than (I think) 6 overs in a spell has meant that bowlers bodies do not have an opportunity to toughen their bodies from an early age by bowling as much as

Re: Saqib Mahmood out for the season (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <ed258h5dt085cj9gmtbkv817end57io3hp@4ax.com>, max. it <max@tea.time> writes Presumably it's a stress fracture of the back. It seems to be a common complaint of fast bowlers. Both Currans have had one recently. Didn't Denis Li

Saqib Mahmood out for the season

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: max.it

What is it with these back injuries? Everytime England get a decent pace bowler he gets broken. What even is a lumbar stress fracture? max.it

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: max.it

Symonds is being castigated for choosing Australia over England, but had he chosen England the resident racist spunkbucket would have said that he wasn't unequivocally English. max.it

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

Wikipaedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Symonds#English_counties Symonds played for four English counties during his career—Gloucestershire, Kent, Lancashire and Surrey.[15] Symonds first appearance for an English county was wit

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Probably the same evidence as he had that counties raise a lot of money - his own unbounded imagination, wholly untethered to reality or sense. Cheers, Mike

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

Thank you for demonstrating your incomprehension of the purpose of national sides... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

What evidence do you have of him pretending to be English and calling himself English? I'm not sure what declarations (if any) he had to make at the time, but the current one does not require a player to declare that he is English (or We

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Najeeb ybo

He had to choose between the best team and England. Maybe he didn't want to lower his standards.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

What mischaractisation ?

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 11 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

were revealed publicly Next! RH . Ignoring the mischaracterisation.. yes. He had to make his mind up and he did. He's an Aussie. Was, that is.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

He used his British birth to gain access to English professional cricket and did not declare for Oz until he had been playing in England for some years and it was only when his bluff was called by being selected for an England A team t

The sixth round of CC matches 2022

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: RH

The trend towards very heavy scoring overall continues , especially in division 1 . . RH Division 1 4 matches 3 Draws 1 win by an innings and 246 runs Completed Innings scores including all out, declared innings closure and inning

Re: A day at Lords ...and its nopt about the cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: RH

Oh dear, one of the children has stayed up way past his bedtime.... RH

Re: A day at Lords ...and its nopt about the cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: jack fredricks

And let me guess. A dozen cash paying customers = £345,000? 345k x 27 CC matches x 100 rounds = £6.99 trillion p/a All this means CC should get rid of foreigners. (I hope the ng is ok with me just pulling a number out of my ass).

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: jack fredricks

Meh. Who cares. The main issue is RH's post is meaningless. Roy's loyalties were 100% with Australia. That should be celebrated. Roy loved Australia and made his life here. Only 1 person in this ng has a problem with that fact.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: RH

Nope: RIP Andrew Symonds Mike Holmans 6:30 AM (12 hours ago) Killed in a car crash. Cheers, Mike RH 9:20 AM (9 hours ago) to Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an Engla

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Nasti Chestikov

I'm 100% English but if you gave me the choice of playing for Australia or England, I'd choose Australia every time. Not sure what the angst is with RH's post?

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <mu318ht76ojrq5r952rlcd56vbgqqd0482@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk> writes Yes, RIP.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

Oh dear, Very PC Dixon projects his tiny life ... RH

A day at Lords ...and it is about the cricket ..Middlesex vs Notts .

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

A number of players I had not seen before Luke Holman LBG. Kept his length pretty well although he got knocked about a bit as Notts pushed for a declaration. If I had any criticism I would say he like many leg spinners new to FC cri

A day at Lords ...and its nopt about the cricket

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

On Saturday I went Lords for the first time since Covid arrived. When I arrived at the Grace Gates I discovered to my astonishment that that Lords had gone payment by card only or close to it. After I pressed the gate staff on whether

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

And replying to a message on here within 4 minutes. uk.sport.cricket is your social life, isn't it, you absolute tragic?

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Ever the person who tells the truth. RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

The time for truth is always the time... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

Particularly love this anecdote from Key's book. No-nonsense ! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSx-GAmXwAIMF7R?format=png Richard

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

master Unwholesome rejects the truth again ... RH

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Richard Dixon

Ever the contrarian twat still, I see, Robert.

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

One can rely on the inhuman beast to demonstrate his inhumanity whenever the opportunity arises. Cheers, Mike

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Really not the time

Re: RIP Andrew Symonds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

Before Symonds opted for Australia rather than England or the Windies I think he was selected for an England A team which offer flushed out where his loyalties lay.. RH

RIP Andrew Symonds

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 7 Days 14 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Killed in a car crash. Cheers, Mike

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

Andrew Samson claims it is new record so there is goo chance it is... RH

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

I'm afraid he hasn't got it in him to argue his point.. RH

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 2 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <i1SQYZBOM3fiFw9i@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes In the event, he was out for 5.

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Fair enough. Cheers, Mike

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: David North

That's the difference between the old record and the new - it was meant as an indicator of how much of an outlier the new record is.

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 7 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Forgive me, but what is interesting about the number of totals "within 62" of the old record? It seems a rather idiosyncratic range. Cheers, Mike

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: David North

That would be an achievement in a match in which no-one has yet got out in single figures. Wright and Fernando were the only two previously whose 6 ducks consisted of 3 pairs. Wright did it in his first 3 FC matches.

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: David North

671 is a large increase on both that county record (adding 68) and the FC record (adding 62). There are 12 other totals within 62 of the old FC record. If they hadn't declared, they might well have pushed the record to over 700 - the l

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <je92t1FmqtbU1@mid.individual.net>, Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> writes But apparently the overall f-c record was previously 609 by Namibia against Uganda - which I'm a little surprised is rated as a f-c fixture.

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 12 Hours ago by: Brian Lawrence

Notts 581 was surpassed by Surrey in 2005 - 603 (HS 89) v. Gloucs <https://stats.acscricket.com/Records/First_Class/Overall/Team/Large_Totals_Without_Century.html> Six sonsecutive f/c ducks had been achieved about a dozen times. <

Re: trivia stats (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: max.it

There have been a few 90 somethings, I only do a briefly on the scorecards but batsmen getting 90 something seemed to stand out. max.it

trivia stats

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: mike

Surrey made 671-9 without a century, pope making 96. I thought the record score without a ton was 581 by notts, so is this the new record? Also in this match was Gilchrist who i read online had previously broken the record for most consecu

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days ago by: max.it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIALn3rT0nQ max.it

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days ago by: max.it

A stunt double. max.it

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days ago by: Mike Holmans

As can be inferred from his handle, Chestikov is one of the village idiot's acolytes who went into the bozo bin ages ago. I'd think of taking his advice as often as I'd take the village idiot's. Cheers, Mike

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: max.it

It isn't a label, it's an acurate observation. Hard on village idiots everywhere to have Henderson included in their tribe. max.it

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: Nasti Chestikov

No need to be so disrespectful Mike. Just because you disagree with the observations of another poster, labelling him as "the village idiot" says more about you than it does about him. Please try harder.

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I can just about understand how the village idiot came up with the idea that I was panicking about bringing factual content to the discussion: he's never felt the need to use facts when blethering nonsensically about the game, and think

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Humh, you pull figures out of your arse that are out by around 100%, Mike has looked at the actual books of the counties... Who should we believe about the issues? Such a hard choice...

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 18 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

The fact that he spent 13 hours grafting out 302 in a Test as well as scoring those ridiculously fast hundreds in T20 suggests he knows about balancing attack and defence while remaining positive, which is what England's Test batting has

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 18 Hours ago by: alvey

Good luck to him. I liked the way he played and his philosophy on the game. alvey

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 9 Days 22 Hours ago by: mike

just like the new zealanders;) and we play them next. hmmm interesting appointment, wonder if Stokes had some input on this, and how it will shape the selection of the test team. mike

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 3 Hours ago by: max.it

If some of that Kiwi attitude would rub off on the team it would be a great start. max.it

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

So we now have a New Zealander as Test coach and a New Zealander as Test captain. Very neat. Cheers, Mike

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

Wrong in principle to have coaches/managers for national teams who are not drawn from the nationality of the national teams they manage, eg the coach of the national side NZ should be a Kiwi. Anything else means coaches/managers ar

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

Translation: master Unwholesome in a panic .... RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

The players in the 1990 season were not playing CC cricket in early April - starting from 7th April this year. RH

Re: McCullum as Test coaxh (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

They've been cleared. It's official. Cheers, Mike

McCullum as Test coaxh

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

It seems that we're just awaiting some formalities before Brendon McCullum is appointed Test coach. Andrew Miller's piece on Cricinfo: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/brendon-mccullum-educated-punt-would-give-england-test-team-an-overd

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

Dickson was out for 5 this morning. Derbyshire and Sussex are bowling.

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 6th round of matches

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 6th round of matches No debuts in this round of matches. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Debuts to date in 2022 Batsmen (1) J

Re: MERCILESSLY MASSACRE THE CIA, NSA n FBI AGENTS LIKE FUCKING PIGS

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Posted: 10 Days 13 Hours ago by: Vikram Buddhi

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Re: MERCILESSLY MASSACRE THE CIA, NSA n FBI AGENTS LIKE FUCKING PIGS

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Posted: 10 Days 13 Hours ago by: Vikram Buddhi

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Re: John Barnes on patriotism (thread)

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Posted: 10 Days 21 Hours ago by: Andrew Smith

There isn't much racism in England. It's one of the least racist countries in the world. For example, we don't have rahoonery, like Ireland. https://thepienews.com/news/icos-survey-40-of-international-students-in-ireland-experience-rac

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 22 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

As I've already pointed out, I've consulted the annual reports and accounts of most of the non-Test-hosting counties covering the past pre-Covid season 2019 - Derbys, Northants, Leics, Worcs and Glos. None of them collect more than £3

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: mike

and all 3 born abroad who have learnt their cricket on dry hard wickets, bit like the weather so far in the championship. mike

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: mike

cheers mike

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: mike

I remember hearing on tms last summer some discussion about counties expenditure and apparently many foreign internationals are only hired if they or the county bring in a sponsership deal to pay most of the costs, eg accomodation, car,

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days ago by: max.it

It's even been pointed out here today that the verified figures of the counties ins and outs are available to view, examine, appraise whatever. "The figures that I use do not have to be exact for this exercise". Jaysus wept - with laug

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days ago by: John Hall

In message <687081ec-7a6e-404b-a77e-076cf38915b9n@googlegroups.com>, RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes It's true that Surrey are quite well off. But as I pointed out, it's almost certainly very different for counties such as Leicestershi

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 1 Hour ago by: max.it

Saving £200,000 would be great but an overseas pro for £4000 is a total bargain. max.it

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: RH

That is what I am trying to get people to understand. The figures that I use do not have to be exact for this exercise. What is important is to disabuse people of the idea that the Counties bring in very little. RH but I think i

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: John Hall

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

Call the Championship memberships (existing and new) £150 7500 times times £150 - £1,125, 000 Big money again. And of course the other half of the 15,00 will bring in a decent amount as well. RH

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

Master Unwholesome panics in the face of solid argument and facts... RH

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

Thanks for that, Toby. But the point about all these direct revenue streams is that they produce sizeable sums of money. Apart from the revenue already mentioned there are the sponsorship, club shop takings and the catering. Ther

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I wonder why the village idiot offers us estimates of membership subscription income based on fantasy when he could just as easily find out what the membership rates really are and how much they actually raise by simply looking at the cl

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

It's amusing to see a thread entitled "Don't underestimate the money the counties bring in" using figures like these, which have been pulled out of the village idiot's arse and are about 10 times higher than the figures which actually pe

Re: SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Toby Briggs

A Championship membership is £164 for new members but £144 for renewal by direct debit. Same for T20 membership. Both memberships include RL Cup and Womens fixtures

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

They'd probably just spend it on non-overseas players instead. Firstly there is a salary collar and cap in place for each county's playing staff (see https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pca-secure-salary-hike-for-players-in-wake-of-ecb-bro

SURREY SURPASS 15,000 MEMBERS FOR FIRST TIME

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

Even if half of the Surrey members are on the youth scales that is still going to be a health income If only half of the 15,000 pay the full membership of, say, £400 that is £400 times 7500 = 300,0000 Read more at https://ww

The great private school cricket arms race

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/05/11/revealed-great-private-school-cricket-arms-race/ Revealed: The great private school cricket arms race Independent schools’ desperation to secure the next generation of talent has led to the

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 19 Hours ago by: David North

He has 713 runs, Dickson of Durham has 729, and Pujara of Sussex has 717. All of their counties have two more matches in May, so it's certainly possible, although the second of Sussex's matches is against the New Zealanders, so Pujara

Re: No disciplinary for Boucher (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: max.it

Scundered, bolloxed, fucked, lost, pie faced drunk, that moment when you realise you are caught, very tired. You can mix and match, if you are pie faced drunk and lost you could be scundered, fucked or bolloxed. It's widely used word aro

Re: No disciplinary for Boucher (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: alvey

"scunders"? I thought that was = 'disgust'. As per https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-words-we-use-1.328556 You have a different def?

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 1 Hour ago by: James Heaton

"mike" wrote in message news:551d9881-3011-4a11-9c72-f54f50aae475n@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote: Hick's 1000 in April and May was 1988. 1000 in May was only done 3 times - Grace, H

Re: Graham Thorpe seriously ill (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 2 Hours ago by: max.it

52 years old. The family have asked for privacy and there doesn't seem to have been any of those thumbs up pictures from a hospital bed. That sounds bad to me. max.it

Re: Graham Thorpe seriously ill (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 2 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <3bkk7hp682d3omkoi7nuskg6sngr7mm2m4@4ax.com>, max. it <max@tea.time> writes Let's hope he makes a quick and full recovery. It comes as a nasty surprise, as he's not that old and seemed in good health when he was the batting c

No disciplinary for Boucher

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: max.it

Boucher apologised and Adams won't offer evidence saying the complaint was about the overall culture and not about a single player. That scunders the enquiry nicely. That's pretty grown up of them, and not a lawyer in sight. max.it

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I decided to do a little research, and looked at the annual accounts covering the 2019 season (the last pre-Covid) for some of the non-Test-hosting counties. The average figures were: Membership income £300k Match-day ticket income (b

The cost of a CC playing staff without foreigners

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

12 senior players at £75,000 = £900,000 15 less senior players at at £40,000 = £600,000 15 junior players players at £20,000 = £300,000 Total £l ,800,000 RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

Professional cricketers are not chosen at random. Hence anyone on a county staff can be assumed to have the talent to perform at that level or at least be expected to have a chance of succeeding as a FC cricketer. t is also true that q

Why do national teams matter?

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

Why do national teams matter? Robert Henderson Why do national sides matter? There are two reasons. The first is the national sporting side as a focus of national feeling, something of especial importance to England which, unlike the

John Barnes on patriotism

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

I am fortunate my England career is now complete so I don’t have to sound patriotic any more.(P69) I loathe the fact that the England team embody and foster nationalism. I feel both Jamaican and English. I’ve lived in England longer

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Those are just words. -- How many international hosts do we need? There aren't enough Tests to go round, and in any case it's daft for all the counties to maintain their grounds in readiness just in case someone decides some day to

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

Dr B-M emerges as a football fan . Snigger. His bewilderment between supporting the England side and a club side is of course quite natural because he does not understand what a nation is. There is no conflict between wanting English pla

Re: Graham Thorpe seriously ill (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

Thorpe along with Cook and Strauss, the three best left handed bats for England in the last 30 years. RH

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

The ECB is the CC counties. The money which the ECB handles is owed to the counties. Income raised by the counties is considerable - see separate thread I have started. What is dangerous is allow the CC to be neglected by promo

Graham Thorpe seriously ill

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 8 Hours ago by: max.it

Not many details yet but seems he is very sick and in hospital. max.it

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <54ee43f5-c394-4ecb-b096-9d113038bb20n@googlegroups.com>, mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes The big difference between football and cricket is that Premier League football seems to be seen as very nearly important as internat

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 10 Hours ago by: mike

wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons? Maybe Masood at derbys? mike

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: mike

yes that was my point too but some think the counties only exist to provide england with test players. thus when england do badly they say its the counties fault. the county championship hardly gets any promotion or coverage in the media

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <d6894e6d-0fee-4ab9-980a-82734a21471bn@googlegroups.com>, jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes That does seem to have been the case. We've had a few dry Aprils recently, which may help to explain it. In 2020 April was

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <jduc5vFllt9U1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes Thanks. I'd been having increasing misgivings after saying "963", but was too lazy to look up the correct figure.

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

SIGH. Once again the counties are the ECB in the sense that they make the decisions , by voting on them if needs be. RH

Re: Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

The Counties are babes suckling on the ECB teat.

Don' t underestimate the money the counties bring in

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

If there is a paying crowd of 1,000 paying £20 a head that is £20,000 If a county has a membership of 5,000 paying £400 a head that is £2,000,000 Getting rid of foreigners would save a great deal If 50 foreigners cost on averag

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 13 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Robert Key recently said in the last few seasons April has been high scoring, and mid-summer lower scoring.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 13 Hours ago by: David North

The second half of the summer certainly was (but then it's been very dry so far this season). Not so much earlier in the season, when New Zealand were here. It also remains to be seen whether the high average will be maintained.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 14 Hours ago by: David North

It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is 887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: David North

So what?

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I think it's truer to say that the sole justification for /subsidising/ county cricket is that it should provide a steady supply, blah, blah, blah. If it isn't going to produce international cricketers, it's not worth paying for it to

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I understand people have different views on this. But my view is similar to that of Daniel Gidney's, as posted above. A County's job is to host international cricket, supplying the Test team with players, and support recreational cricket

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[...] It seems to me even odder as a comment. If I go to watch Forest, am I thinking about helping England win the WC? No, I'm hoping that they can get promoted to the Premiership or get to the next round of the Cup, or whatever. They

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: mike

Moeen started at warwicks but hes made his career at worcestershire. But what good do a lot of football teams in the lower divs do? It seems a bit of an odd question. Do they bring players through to the top echelons of the game and help

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

As well as non-England players.

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Will it be 2 tiers? 12 top, 6 bottom? With promotion/relegation? If so... it does seem strange. The top tier should be smaller than the bottom tier. Is it 1 tier? 12 teams, with 6 just getting the chop... seems brutal and messy. But... so

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 12 Days 23 Hours ago by: max.it

I'm not guessing who should get the chop. It all seems a bit drastic to me. In Ireland they are trying to get Munster up to standard to have 4 teams in the FC competition. If in the future Connaught improve then a 5 team FC competition

Re: So, 12 counties (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

The Counties will not have it and they are the ones who count in this matter. It would be asking Turkeys to vote for XMAS . The ECB is the servant of the counties not its dictator.. RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

Oh dear, no matter how many times Dr B-M has the obvious ill effect of foreigners in county sides explained to him - taking places from English players (especially places in the upper batting order and pace bowling places,) allowi

So, 12 counties

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

It's pretty obvious from the various leaks in the press that the ECB's central proposal for the reform of English cricket and revival of the red ball squad's fortunes will be to cut the championship to 12 teams. Which, as I expected, seems

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Not so, or at least not clearly so; but the reasoning depends on what you think the purpose and culture of the county game is about. For those who think that the sole purpose of county cricket is to provide a steady supply of Test/T20

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

Yet more forgery by master Unwholesome... RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

I have done a few for you. All of those listed were 11 or older. Woki Gordon Greenide came to the UK when he was 14 and opted to play for the West Indies. rather than England. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Greenidge Early_l

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

They're black .... RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <db9c0757-f790-4adc-b418-fd5c05238e72n@googlegroups.com>, RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes I believe - but haven't checked - that Cowans, Slack and Roland Butcher were also brought up and educated in England.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

It is worth remembering that 1990 was very hot and dry. It remains to be seen what 2022 will turn out to be the same., Nonetheless, the fact that t 2022 to date is not a million miles away from 1990 is telling... RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an English Public School and went to an English University. RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Sorry, , I wrongly put Wayne Daniel as playing for England... RH RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Ted Dexter, born in Italy.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Well John, if you think that you are like it or not on the same page as me. When I do one of my count of foreigners in a full CC round of matches there are plenty of examples with teams sport 3 or more foreigners. How do you fee

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Debatable. If 1 team in 18 did that it might very well be excellent for English cricket. Overall. If 18 teams did that it would be bad.

Scores and results from 5th round of CC matcghes

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Heavy scoring persisting 4 Matches won 1 win by an innings 3 matches Drawn Completed innings where a team has been all out or declared 1 innings over 500 4 innings over 400 8 Innings over 300 4 innings over 200 Essex 403 & 167

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <74aa318c-c335-4832-afa5-d42fbc940a58n@googlegroups.com>, mike davis <dmike2004@gmail.com> writes I remember that too. ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when they fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to thi

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 14 Hours ago by: David North

Yes, all four played (individually) at least 14 matches that season. They all played v Middx at Edgbaston on 17-20 June, and probably quite a few other matches. All but Murray were born in British Guiana. Also Marnus bowled 30 overs i

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 15 Hours ago by: David North

The overall bowling average in the CC so far this season is 35.22. The average for 1990 was 38.28.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

The ECB started asking for this a few seasons ago. From what I've read. It just seems CC changes are glacial.

Re: Archer's rehab (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I agree. Nothing is easier than a few games of County Cricket. He'll only be expected to bowl at 60%. (nb: this is venomous sarcasm, not facetiousness).

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: mike davis

I wonder if the ECB have asked the counties to prepare better wickets for batting this spring or its just an accident from the very dry weather we're having [wildfires in scotland in april!]. That or the changed ball as you've said alrea

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Lol John did that! Well, he stipulated a minimum of 7 innings. Same thing.

Re: Archer's rehab (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: max.it

Two operations in a short. He time needs a bit of decent aftercare until he can fully test out the repairs. max.it.

Re: Archer's rehab (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <i1hf7htale25tqg6a1c619h31nsem64spp@4ax.com>, max. it <max@tea.time> writes Or indeed ever again. I'd settle for his being fit enough to return to red-ball cricket in 12 months time, though obviously would prefer that it was

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <c9b6c2c3-0e0c-477e-b59a-2dad55e2f99bn@googlegroups.com>, jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes Just so. It's a lot easier to average 70, say, over four matches (which is all that most players have completed at the mom

Re: Archer's rehab (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: RH

What he needs of course is CC play... RH

Archer's rehab

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: max.it

I wonder if he'll even get to play any red ball cricket at all this season. “I haven’t thought about Test cricket yet. I will play in T20 blast and if I not able to compete in the tournament, I won’t be able to play Test cricket. So t

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I can't be bothered to look up that match scorecard either but on the general point, you are 100% correct and the village idiot is, as usual, making up nonsense to prop up his ludicrous belief that the present is necessarily worse than t

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Harder. Faster. Less assistance to medium pace dibbly dobblers.

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: RH

No one who understood cricket stats would ever do that, as indeed John did not do because he looks for those with averages bassd on a number of matches/innings. To make any sense of CC stats a minimum qualifying number of games would

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

It depends what you mean by improved. What do you mean? RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 8 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

What is easier? a) averaging 100 over 1 match? b) averaging 100 over 50 matches?

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages? RH

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 10 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Have. The. Pitches. Improved?

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8-8a6e-0eaae2b53f73n@googlegroups.com>, RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are r

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has done. It is noticeable tha

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Not that I recall. The live stream is available as a replay here; https://youtu.be/1t6upodk8yQ?t79 [I started summarising the convo, as follows;] Whenever England get walloped, the talk turns to 'a crisis in County Cricket". So.. w

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d-953e-aae9a5a4e81fn@googlegroups.com>, RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - com

Re: State of County Cricket (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

Thank you yet again for demonstrating your fundamental misunderstanding of the game of cricket. RH

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Najeeb ybo

Not another genius!

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Najeeb ybo

Is this rambling nonsense available in English?

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. There are degrees of timing. A masterfully timed stroke looks effortless, almost as if the bat is just gently pushed at the ball. Slogging to me means sacrificing timing/placement for power/dist

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

Thank you yet again for demonstrating your fundamental misunderstanding of the game of cricket. The difference between slogging and control hitting is the difference between, says, Ted Dexter and Fred Trueman goings for I big hit ...

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: Najeeb ybo

Slogging is built entirely on timing. Batting is built around sound technique, game awareness and experience. Once again Robert Henderson you engage in a public display to your peers and betters of your cricket ignorance, you are an idiot

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I can imagine you dreaming of East Germany.

State of County Cricket

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while I pass some time; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just finished a long chat about the state of CC.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

I can imagine you in East Germany under the Stasi... RH

Re: 17 sixes! (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

Stokes isn't a slogger . His hitting is built on timing RH

Re: English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 4th round of matches (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

uk.sport.cricket Privacy • Terms 8 of 26085 English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 4th round of matches 20 views Subscribe RH's profile photo RH Apr 28, 2022, 5:23:54 PM (8 days ago) No debuts in the 4th round -----------------

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Que sera, sera. I've enjoyed the discussion. I've at least convinced myself that I don't have to prepare for the imminent demise of f-c cricket even though the village idiot will no doubt respond to the ECB's draft proposals when they

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Yes, well, that's the usual problem, that predicting the future is a lot harder than predicting the past. Yes, but it's not just the players; the clubs have to see a decent return too. [...] Sure. Spot the common feature of all t

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Yep. Find those racists and metaphorically exterminate them.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I think most things (especially if first time offending) are forgivable, if the apology is sincere enough. Now imagine if he did say it, and everyone else on today's Essex board *knows* he said and that his denial is a sham.

17 sixes!

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: mike

Stokes 161 off 88 balls, quite a comeback. Hope he doesnt get a side strain with all that heaving. It will be very different against NZ and India. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGKpuIpzFlI mike

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mike Holmans

I could just about take it if he'd said it and apologised immediately: for those of us of a certain age, the phrase might well pop into one's head and come out before one could stop oneself, but an "...in the woodpile - oh, er, um, sorry

Re: 107 (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: max.it

That's how many weeks you have to wait on Mr Yousuf's NHS gastroenterology list for a 1st appointment. max.it

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: HVS

On 06 May 2022, John Hall wrote I'd not cut him that amount of slack on it. I'll shortly turn 70, and while I agree that it was a common metaphor WIWAL, I don't see how anybody who hasn't been living in a cave hasn't realised that it's

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

The investigatory procedures in both Yorkshire and Essex 's cases are laughable in terms of being innocent till proven guilty. The whole of the proceedings, both legal and in the media , comes across as a show trial with a predetermi

107

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: John Hall

Has 107 become the new 111? Three batsmen would out for that score yesterday and - IIRC - only one player managed to get past it.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <954e8ab2-2ade-41bc-8f36-c6ddd63c5dccn@googlegroups.com>, jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes It was obviously a very bad thing to say, but I imagine he said it without thinking and bitterly regretted it afterwards.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Just telling how it is. Racists like this will get shown the door.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

Thank you for outing yourself as an unambiguous enemy of free expression... RH

Re: Need feedback for my blog (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Om Kulpe

REMINDER

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Yay! Bring it on! There's no future in the corporate world for racists like him.

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

And this racist John Faragher still denies it?

Re: Essex fined 50000stg (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 17 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

Note: Yet another squeezing free expression... RH https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/essex-fined-50-000-after-accepting-historic-racism-charges-1313656 Essex have been fined £50,000 and warned as to the club's future conduct after acc

Essex fined 50000stg

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: max.it

https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2022/05/05/6164e901-ef8e-423d-9bbe-f559aecb7ca4/CDC-Disciplinary-hearing-Essex-CCC.pdf max.it

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 4th round of matches

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 5th round of matches Ben Gibson (Worcs) LFM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Debuts to date in 2022 Batsmen (1) James Wharton

Re: Need feedback for my blog (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 15 Hours ago by: Om Kulpe

REMINDER

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I don't know either. One factor will be whether the players continue to consider 5-day cricket to be the ultimate form of the game, and pay more respect to achievements in that arena than in others. I know I bang on about bike racing,

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: RH

The fact that Grace was one of only two English batsmen to have scored 1,000 Test runs by 1899 is highly impressive in itself and doubly so in view of the period Grace played in and the age he was (40+) when playing most of the Te

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

So a more accurate formulation would be "the worst average for any English Test batsman scoring 1000 runs, bar none," which sounds a bit less impressive. Cheers, Mike

Need feedback for my blog

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Om Kulpe

Hello friends, this is Om and I currently run a cricket blog at https://thefourthinnings.blogspot.com/. I know this group is limited to English cricket but I could really use your insights to become a better writer. In my latest article, I

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

Yes, but at that point (1899), "English Test batsmen scoring 1,000 Test runs bar Shrewsbury" was a list of one. If you made the criterion 20+ Tests, there would at least be a few players below him - Ulyett, Billy Barnes, Briggs and Peel -

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: max.it

Thomas Benjamin Wild Esq. recorded poisoning pigeons in the park on a ukulele. He's better known for singing 'no more fucks to give' surrounded by tweed suits in a gents outfitters shop. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

uk.sport.cricket

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

"The English are best The English are best We don't care about the rest" RH

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 9 Hours ago by: steve hague

It was "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" which did it for me, many years ago. Many, many years ago. We have a couple of CDs, which I should listen to again. The British equivalent would be Jake Thackray, a gifted musician and a very funn

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Absolutely. Grace played most of his Tests when he was past 40 - only 8 before 1888 were before the age of 40. He also played almost all his Tests on uncovered pitches with most of the games played before the advent of pitches in

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <f4841c33-ed86-47cd-9259-cf35e30e8887n@googlegroups.com>, RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes His Test record would probably have been even better if Test cricket had started earlier than it did since, as you point out, his grea

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 10 Hours ago by: John Hall

In message <t4scug$1sro$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> writes I didn't discover him until the 1980s, when a friend played me an LP of his. IIRC, Lehrer's day job was as a mathematics lecturer - though that didn't st

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

The problem with Grace's stats are the number of iffy amateur "pickup" games and games with more than 11 a side. Nonetheless even if those are subtracted his stats remain colossal. His best period was in the 1870s in which he aver

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

The wrangling over WG's stats has been going on since the 1890s. RH

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

My parents got Lenrer's records when they were in the USA doing their PhDs and then lecturing. I got exposed to them when I was at Uni when dad went back to get another degree (iirc he had a Bachelor of Divity, B.A. BSc in life sciences wi

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

A lot of his stuff is unfortunately still relevant, unlike the others. Cheers, Mike

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

As someone born after this (not long, mind you), I am very jealous.

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Our next-door neighbour [a Lancs 2nd XI cricketer, to give some relationship to what this group is /supposed/ to be about] had the first record, and played it to us [before TAL was well known]; I was about 12. "I Hold Your Hand In Mine"

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: max.it

I'm more of a Flanders and Swan person. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

I was sitting in a coffee shop yesterday, and a young lad was wearing a Pink Floyd t-shirt. I mentioned that I'd seen them live on that particular tour in 1973, and he said it was 25 years before he was born. Quality stuff lasts past th

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: max.it

Cruel but funny. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Walker

Yes, but it's not just franchise cricket. It's any experienced player who CBA to play relatively meaningless 4-day matches, esp in April, and who decides that playing only T20/100/listA gives him enough decent pay-days. Yes, for as lon

Re: Lost two hundreds (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Walker

Linked from that page is the incident where Aggers managed to convince Boycs, to his annoyance, that one of /his/ centuries would no longer count as f-c.

Lost two hundreds

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Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: max.it

WG Grace has lost two hundreds from his stats. 685 runs, 67 wickets and two centuries wiped from the records books. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61308258 max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

[and yes, I have a nerve impingement which keeps me up all night sometimes] I'm reminded of the demise of the mainframe computer. In 2002, a manager advised me to get on with training up on Unix because the company would be switching of

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Is it even viable now? Surely CC, and most if not all, other FC systems are only viable thanks to cricket board subsidies (thanks to national level cricket). Even the best FC cricket isn't interesting to most fans. Each match is ~4 days

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

How many is "many"? If there were double the number of opportunities to play franchise cricket outside England during the season as currently exist, that would provide openings for about 6-7% of current English county professionals. The

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: max.it

Bubbling under the bridge sounds like no direction has been travelled. Mr Pollard of recent WI captaincy has retired from international cricket in order to play at the highest level. The Hundred around here means motorcycle road race

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 21 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[...] Lot of water under the bridge in the last ten years. Also, results in the past couple of years have been strongly affected by the stresses and strains of "bubbling" and other related aspects of dealing with Covid. To repeat --

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 22 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I was going to ask "can Morgan even hold a spot in the team?"... but sadly the answer is obvious - only 1 batsman can. The other 4/5 spots a just filled by seat-warmers.

Re: Trivia of trivia (thread)

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Posted: 19 Days 22 Hours ago by: mike

Thanks very much. They were both pretty decent bats so I'm not sure what either of them were doing batting at 10&11. They were 205-9 and made 454 and then won by 9 wkts. Bedser took 5 of the first 9 in his 2nd FC match. Quite a recovery.

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[...] ??? He has played over 100 f-c matches and has played for England in Tests. I would be [very] surprised if his is the least experience that any Test captain has had. Perhaps even if confined to modern times, and/or England, and/

Re: WHITES DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN "SMILE, SHAKE HANDS, BACK STAB

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Posted: 20 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andrew Smith

Flush

Re: High scoring County Match (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 8 Hours ago by: David North

wicket taken? No - the one that finished yesterday at Bristol was higher (87.17 per wicket vs 82.50) for a start: Surrey 603, Gloucs 443/2. The ACS has a FC list that includes 19 county matches (probably all CC, but I haven't checked) w

CC high scoring continues in 4th round of CC matches

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Posted: 20 Days 8 Hours ago by: RH

Division 1 Completed innings whether all out or not 1 innings over 600 1 innings of 500 2 innings over 400 4 Innings over 300 4 inning over 200 2 innings over 100 Northampton shire 390 Essex (f/o) 193 & 328/9 Match drawn Surrey 603 G

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 9 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Oh. The point still stands that the most successful current Test teams have 7 of their white-ball international team, and that Australia tried going down the road of almost complete separation 10 years ago and have abandoned it as being

High scoring County Match

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Posted: 20 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Note: Is this the highest scoring CC match in terms of runs per wicket taken? The Oval, May 03 - 07, 1990, Britannic Assurance County Championship Surrey 707/9d & 80/1 Lancashire 863 And is it the CC match which contained the two hig

Re: Trivia of trivia (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 11 Hours ago by: David North

Tricky. Northern Districts went from 38/5 to 450 v Central Districts at Napier in 2005/06. There may well have been others that were higher. Yes. Mathew Ellis (9) 118, Thomas Hastings (11) 106* for Victoria v S Aus, MCG 1902/03. Ch

Re: Almost half of cricket fans refuse to be intimidated by pc (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

It is not the headline writer it is the number of those polled . The fact that nearly half of these in these pc times were willing to stick their heads above the parapet is reassuring and impressive. RH

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 16 Hours ago by: David North

That's the WTC table. They are still as high as 5th in the rankings. https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 23 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

That certainly seems to be the case in England, who are at the bottom of the Test rankings. The Final of the World Test Championship was played between teams who have been more successful at Test cricket of late. 7 members of the Indian

Re: Almost half of cricket fans refuse to be intimidated by pc (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 23 Hours ago by: max.it

I watched the 1st episode of Wacky Races today from 1968. The Ant Hill mob were lost and found themselves in a little house with 7 seats and 7 beds and 7 little outfits. A car pulled up outside and the boss said "right you mugs make like

Trivia of trivia

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Posted: 20 Days 23 Hours ago by: mike

In the recent game Surrey recovered from 37-3 to 603, pretty decent effort, so I wondered whats the highest score made by a team that was 50-5 or less. the main reason for this total was Smiths 234 who may overhaul the pope to be the new o

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days ago by: David North

I meant that he was much the same as the "many of those actually invited" who you referred to, which I assumed excluded Root, Stokes and probably Bairstow. The vast majority of the others who have debuted in the last decade have averag

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days ago by: Mike Holmans

But his lack of red-ball playing experience would. As you say, the formats are now so different that what works and what doesn't is different, and the objectives are also different. Great on-field captaincy is about understanding the fo

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Unclear. (a) There have been hints of desperation at time, (b) not least in the past couple of years because of the effects of bubbling; and (c) ... ... if he was "much the same" as other picks, placing him, in your view, as somewher

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 5 Hours ago by: David North

Surely? The selectors probably thought that about most of them when they picked them, including Hales himself. His results in 11 Tests were much the same as theirs. If he has surely improved by not playing FC cricket for 4 of the inter

Re: Almost half of cricket fans refuse to be intimidated by pc (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 5 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Given the figures quoted, another possible headline would have been "A majority of cricket followers believe the sport has a big problem with racism", since there are fewer who belong to the category the Torygraph and the illiberal bigo

Re: Almost half of cricket fans refuse to be intimidated by pc (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 6 Hours ago by: David North

So the headline writer thinks that something that is "not a big problem" is not significant, and Morgan interprets anything that is not "a very or fairly big problem" as not a problem at all. Then again, I suppose we shouldn't expect a

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Plenty of bowlers in the CC who can bowl at 85mph plus. Next! RH

Re: Strauss and Machiavelli (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: max.it

That's pretty compelling but I don't see anything that points towards intent. Maybe Strauss is a complete mastermind; if he did wangle that then he's in the wrong job. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 8 Hours ago by: Najeeb ybo

Short fast bowling in the CC? Of course there is hahahaha, and it's churning out fantastic batsmen for England.

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

He needs to play regular FC cricket before Test cricket. RH

Almost half of cricket fans refuse to be intimidated by pc

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Posted: 22 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/04/28/almost-half-cricket-fans-do-not-think-sport-has-significant/ Almost half of cricket fans do not think the sport has a significant problem with racism The survey follows the recent racism scanda

Wisden has been turned into a depressingly woke political pamphlet

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Posted: 22 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/04/25/wisden-has-turned-depressingly-woke-political-pamphlet/ COMMENT Wisden has been turned into a depressingly woke political pamphlet The overkill on the race controversy represents a determinati

Joe Clarke to come in from the pc cold

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Posted: 22 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/04/28/rob-key-may-hand-joe-clarke-england-lifeline-part-pathetic-sexist/ Rob Key has risked controversy by suggesting he could select Joe Clarke three years after the player was shamed over a WhatsA

England's rotation policy dumped

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Posted: 22 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

Note: Hooray! RH https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/04/28/ben-stokes-named-new-england-test-captain/ England to end rotation policy under Rob Key as Ben Stokes is confirmed as Test captain New managing director backs new Test captai

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

Alex Hales [eg] hasn't played one since 2017; I don't know whether or not he would answer a call to the Test side, where he would surely be better than many of those actually invited. We have to accept that professional cricket has evo

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 12 Hours ago by: RH

There is a very good reason got that, he can't competently handle the short fast stuff. RH

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 22 Days 16 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

Morgan seems not to have played a first class match since 2019...

Re: WHITES DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN "SMILE, SHAKE HANDS, BACK STAB

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andrew Smith

Flush You don't have to post anything. The CIA's AI cluster can read your mind with perfect clarity.

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: max.it

It wouldn't surprise me if Morgan retired and became white ball coach of some team or other and Buttler became England captain. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 5 Hours ago by: RH

It is very simple to dismiss Morgan in FC cricket. First set a couple of gullies. You get a quick bowler to bowl short round the wicket with the ball pitching a few inches outside the wicket. It won't be long before Morgan spoons th

Strauss and Machiavelli

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Posted: 23 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Key and Stokes have been making so much noise about Broad and Anderson that I'm getting the feeling that Strauss was very much up to something when not picking them for the WI tour. He didn't want to sack Root, but he also wanted him to go

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 7 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Were the ECB and Morgan to take leave of their senses for long enough to make that move, I wonder how long it would be before you were criticising the England batsmen for their all-out attack whatever the circumstances. Cheers, Mike

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 8 Hours ago by: Michael Gooding

He's a match winner with bat and ball, so let's completely stuff him up by making him captain. I'd be happier to see Morgan back as captain - with our batting in its current state he wouldn't weaken it.

Re: Langer, Ponting, Kirsten (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 8 Hours ago by: max.it

Surely an Englishman declining to coach the England cricket team is committing treason and anti English in the extreme. I'm sure Henderson will be calling them out loudly for their treachery. max.it

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 10 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

It's going to depend a lot on the other bowlers. If they take wickets, he won't need to bowl. If they persist with taking Woakes on tour, he'll be bowling all the time. One tiny straw in that win is that the reason Saqib Mahmood turned

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 14 Hours ago by: RH

That would present a problem because England often play four pace bowlers these days and having one of the four unable to take on a full stint could place too heavy a load on the others especially if Anderson or Broad or both play. The

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 23 Days 17 Hours ago by: Hamish Laws

It seems to me that Stokes is the best choice for the captaincy, England looked better in the field when he was running things than when Root was in the Ashes. My big concern would be if he decides he needs to inspire the team and tries to

Re: WHITES DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN "SMILE, SHAKE HANDS, BACK STAB

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Posted: 24 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andrew Smith

Flush

Re:_How_and_why_did_White_British_Colonists_‘Stuff

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Posted: 24 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Smith

That was done by the CIA to ensure that Westerners are the best mathematicians. Look at this table of Fields Medal winners. As you can see nearly all of the winners are Europeans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal Out of all o

English cricketers making CC debut in 2022 - 4th round of matches

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Posted: 24 Days 3 Hours ago by: RH

No debuts in the 4th round ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Debuts to date in 2022 Batsmen (1) James Wharton (Yorks) Wk Keepers - Pace Bowlers (2) Matt Potts (Derby) RFM

Re: Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side (thread)

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Posted: 24 Days 22 Hours ago by: mike

thats 2 out of 2 for hussain so far. i just hope hes wrong about ponting. cant stand his squeaky voice. however the vicecaptain position will be equally important seeing how stokes often has injury problems, although i think he has just p

Stokes is captain and wants sAnderson and Broad in the side

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Posted: 25 Days 10 Hours ago by: RH

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/04/27/ben-stokes-agrees-england-test-captain-want-james-anderson-stuart/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr Ben Stokes agrees to be England Test captain and wants James Anderson and Stuart Broad

Re: Langer, Ponting, Kirsten (thread)

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Posted: 25 Days 10 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Ford has the advantage that he coached Kent when Key was skipper, so they already have a strong relationship. The only other applicant is Collingwood, but I'd reckon he's got far more chance of the white-ball gig than the red-ball one.

Re: Langer, Ponting, Kirsten (thread)

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Posted: 25 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

Paul Farbrace is the ideal candidate RH

Re: Langer, Ponting, Kirsten (thread)

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Posted: 25 Days 19 Hours ago by: max.it

Graham Ford, Ireland coach at one stage. Who do you think is front runner? max.it

Re: Langer, Ponting, Kirsten (thread)

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Posted: 25 Days 20 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

If reports are to believed, the shortlist is Graham Ford, Kirsten, Katich and Moody. Cheers, Mike

Langer, Ponting, Kirsten

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Posted: 25 Days 21 Hours ago by: max.it

Are there any other names in the hat for that England job/s? Maybe Morgan will retire and be white ball coach. max.it

Re: OT: Benenden (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 4 Hours ago by: max.it

The mutual society not the school. max.it

Re: OT: Benenden (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 11 Hours ago by: johnson

my sister is a Senior, but I don't imagine that she'd call herself a member

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[Swiss system tournaments:] Just in case there's some confusion -- Swiss tournaments do not normally need "rankings", in the sense of "top seed" and similar. Round one can be typically paired at random; later rounds pair teams/players

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

read and snipped, thanks. An interesting system. Prelim rounds seem needed for rankings though. With chess they can be played throughout the year ie prior to the tournament. That's a tad trickier with cricket. So they'd probably just u

OT: Benenden

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Posted: 26 Days 23 Hours ago by: max.it

Any Benenden members here? Always check out the perks and benefits of anything you might auto pay from your wages or any savings plans or pensions. Loads of people are eligible for discretionary health insurance and they don't know. max

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andy Walker

[...] Chess tournaments are commonly organised as a "Swiss system". Think of it as a partial round robin; each round, you are paired against someone [or a team] with the same number of points, as far as possible. So the leading players

Re: The amazing CC batting of Michael Burgess in 2022 (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 6 Hours ago by: RH

Green and unpleasant from the batsman's point of view. What the three rounds of matches in April has shown this year is that playing in April is not a banker for pace bowlers . Why has run-getting this year not produced the wicke

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 7 Hours ago by: David North

That wouldn't be my definition, and I'm even not sure that I would have a definition as such that could be determined from the results with certainty. If you consider a theoretical best team, which has a higher probability of winning tha

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 8 Hours ago by: johnson

Double elimination is used in the Schapiro Spring Fours, one of the highlights of the English bridge calendar, which starts on Friday. It's always puzzled me why this format isn't more widely used as it is really not difficult to underst

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 12 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

That's quite close minded. Even for you. Having said that, knockout is my least favourite. One bad day and you're gone. I think RR with finals is a nice balance. EPL works as it's so many games (20 teams, 2 RR). Another format I hav

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 13 Hours ago by: RH

You either have a knockout competition or a league. Anything else is bogus competition. RH

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 18 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

If this strategy works (ie they win the final)? Then the "best" is determined by the final.... Anyone saying "one of the losing team is best because they topped the table after the 9 qualifying rounds" would probably be named Robert. If

Re: Great figures (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days ago by: Mike Holmans

Better, in the sense that KKR failed to reach the target, even though Dre Russ gave it a damn good try. Cheers, Mike

Re: Great figures (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days ago by: max.it

Was it first innings? Just wondering what the bowling reply was like. max.it

High scoring in the 3rd Round of CC matches

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Posted: 28 Days 2 Hours ago by: RH

9 matches played 8 matches resulted in wins 1 match drawn 6 matches won by an innings I match by ten wickets 1 match by 3 wickets The details Kent 305 & 296 Hampshire 652/6d Hampshire won by an innings and 51 runs Essex 168 & 32

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 9 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

Depending on how you judge "best". I agree with what I take to be your definition, so I'm not disagreeing here, but isn't it a circular definition? If you define "best" as "the team which gets the most points in the all-play-all stage",

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 11 Hours ago by: David North

Still a full round-robin to start with. The more rounds in the knockout stage, the less likely it is that the best team will win.

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 11 Hours ago by: David North

Of course, once the bonus points have been decided (after both sides have batted for 100 overs or been bowled out), whichever side has most bonus points still only has to draw. This season (which was reduced because of COVID), there w

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 12 Hours ago by: David North

Since 1982/83.

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 7 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Nah. Just idle musings. SS is better than CC because it produced more Test-quality players.

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 7 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Thanks for that. SS rules; "How does the points system work again? Teams get six points for an outright win, one point for a draw, plus 0.01 of a bonus point for every run over 200 they score during the first 100 overs of their first inn

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 7 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

If it's jzf's theory that the Sheffield Shield is better than the CC because it introduced a grand final at Kerry Packer's request, he's entirely welcome to it. They'd gone a happy 90 years without one until an Aus broadcaster wanted to

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

AD Russell 1 0 5 4 Not a bad way to close an innings! Cheers, Mike

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: Gerrit 't Hart

The Sheffield Shield final 9 is a 5-day match between the top two teams and up to recently if the match ended in a draw the team at the top of the ladder would be declared the winner. Additionally, the match was played at the home ground

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Well, the Sheffield Shield has had a full RR followed by a single-match grand final for how long? Forever?

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

In this context he (MV) was talking about having semi and grand finals. So not a pure RR.

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mike Holmans

From such straws as I see floating in the wind, I don't think there is any appetite for more white-ball cricket. I suspect the market is saturated. It's obvious that they're going to design a new first-class season, and the noises are a

Re: The amazing CC batting of Michael Burgess in 2022 (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 8 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

Got to love the technique of taking huge step towards Off then hoiking it over deep mid wicket. Kind of reminds me of every T20 batsman ever. He said the pitch was good. Would love to see some pitch reports. It's April. Aren't all the pi

The amazing CC batting of Michael Burgess in 2022

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Posted: 29 Days 9 Hours ago by: RH

You can see him batting here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWIbR3t71g 178 in 217 balls v Essex 170 in 220 balls v Surrey RH

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 11 Hours ago by: RH

'course you did , Mr Single Digit IQ man, 'course you did ... RH

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 11 Hours ago by: David North

Not good if the more is white-ball cricket, which is what usually happens. In a competition with a full round-robin stage, if you want to know who the best team is, you're probably better off looking at the table. That's not really wh

Re: The top five: England's win/loss ratio (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 11 Hours ago by: max.it

I think it said max.it

Re: The top five: England's win/loss ratio (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 15 Hours ago by: David North

I think that must be since the start of the 2018 season. Not having been in the side for a while is clearly an advantage.

Re: Michael Vaughan 's unwitting recipe for utterly ruining English cricket (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 20 Hours ago by: jack fredricks

I thought someone had hacked your account, or was pretending to be you RH

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