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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Adrian CasperszCame across an interesting site, tells ye who peers with who. https://www.peeringdb.com So entering everyone favourite villain, TalkTalk, and comparing with mine Plusnet (aka BT "ASN2856") and others, I see TalkTalk has international co
Posted: 2 Days ago by: Theoidmobile is Three in disguise, I think idnet is independent (and predates idmobile by a long way). Theo
Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy BurnsI think not.
Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tim+Are they related to idnet broadband providers? I used them for my mother and support was amazingly good. Tim
Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: ChrisAgree. It has been so for decades. They also have a specific demographic so any surveys are hugely biased. Customer service only matters when things go wrong. If they never go wrong then CS is irrelevant. I've been with ID for severa
Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: TheoThat as maybe, but they are just reporting an Ofcom press release: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2022/telecoms-and-pay-tv-complaints-q4-2021 so Which?'s testing methodology doesn't come into it. No doubt Which? have their own metr
Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Chris GreenI am a Which? subscriber too but I'm not at all convinced by their 'technology' reviews. I recently moved *to* idMobile (for mobile, not Internet) and I have to say they are much better than any previous mobile provider I have used. Mayb
Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: TweedSee also https://www.broadband.co.uk/broadband/providers/shell-energy/reviews/
Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: AllanComputing Which, April 2022, page 6: 'Worst' Broadband providers named. ID Mobile, Shell Energy Broadband and TalkTalk have been named the worst providers for customer service by telecoms regulator Ofcom, in its latest report on compla
Posted: 4 Days ago by: Andy BurnsI think FirstUtility became Shell Broadband, and were (presumably still are?) a TalkTalk reseller
Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: newmanDoes anyone have experience of Shell broadband, particularly their Superfast broadband plus? At present they are offering the best deal in my area. Regards
Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: Graham J[snip] And our current government, as identified by Chris Grey, see: <https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/brexit-unfolded> .... where this line appears on page 219: "Brexit had bequeathed a way of governing which was largely imp
Posted: 20 Days 5 Hours ago by: Abandoned_TrolleyIt occurs to me that theres a number of what you might call "serial incompetents" who move around between high powered jobs in the UK without showing any sign of any experience or knowledge of the businesses which they are mismanaging
Posted: 20 Days 7 Hours ago by: Martin BrownWe sell "Total crap" isn't a good look for a jewellery business. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/meandmymoney/article-9775535/Gerald-Ratner-tells-MONEY-rebuilt-finances.html Apparently he now makes good money on the after dinner and
Posted: 20 Days 7 Hours ago by: Abandoned_Trolleya living example of "beyond stupid" might be the demise of Ratners jewellery stores
Posted: 20 Days 20 Hours ago by: TweedMy standard BT phone wire is fed to my house in an underground duct. Likewise my Virgin Media coax. Neither has been damaged by rodents (well not enough to affect service) in 30 years.
Posted: 20 Days 20 Hours ago by: Martin BrownHow is it not accessible to rodents? The damn things scurry up and down BT cable ducts all too often. My neighbour was a BT engineer his best mate died of Leptospirosis almost certainly caught at work. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/healt
Posted: 20 Days 20 Hours ago by: Java JiveTranslates as: "I don't know how to argue rationally against that, so I'll resort to abuse instead!" I wouldn't know, I never have to speak to them.
Posted: 20 Days 20 Hours ago by: Java Jive"Won't" can change. Again, look at the history of consumer boycotts.
Posted: 20 Days 20 Hours ago by: Martin BrownYou are beyond stupid if you think that. The only thing that a sales person understands is their next bonus.
Posted: 20 Days 21 Hours ago by: TweedBut enough won’t, which is the point you don’t want to accept.
Posted: 20 Days 21 Hours ago by: Java JiveIt certainly will, if enough people do it.
Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter JohnsonVery noble. It'll make a lot of difference.
Posted: 20 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter JohnsonThe fibre is blown down what I call a micro duct - don't know if that's its proper name. Under the ground, the duct isn't accessible to rodents. Given that the fibre, then in some sort of coating that doesn't look diimilar to the BT cab
Posted: 20 Days 23 Hours ago by: Java JiveUse of pejorative language instead of reasoned argument noted. I'm saying you should ... :-( Walk away when a firm ups its prices, including using the deception of pretending it's a new contract, and make it plain to them exactly
Posted: 21 Days 1 Hour ago by: Martin BrownSo you think that I should allow the slimy salesperson to keep the entirety of their "sucker bonus" in the interests of fairness? How *exactly* does that exert any downwards pressure on pricing? The rural fibre installation was due to
Posted: 21 Days 7 Hours ago by: Martin BrownI'm puzzled by how they make the single fibre robust enough to be blown down a conduit and prevent rodents from nibbling it into the bargain. (no PVC covering might be an advantage - they find it irresistible!) The splice joint on my in
Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter JohnsonIt's the single fibre to individual properties that gets blown, not the stuff you saw. I saw it done when my Zen (over CityFibre) connection was installed.
Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Java JiveI am describing how people like you trying to cheat the system are part of the wider problem, and are suckered into maintaining it. Which is why I walk whenever an ISP changes its pricing to me out of line with inflation, whereas you
Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Angus Robertson - MaCommunity Fibre is laying fibre in various London boroughs, currently in Croydon and Addiscombe where Openreach apparently has no plans for full fibre, perhaps because Virgin Media offers gig service here already. One gang pulled a micr
Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Martin BrownThe stuff BT (or rather their contractors were putting into the ducts around here came on a big 2m diameter drum on a trailer and was about 8mm in diameter all up including fibre, a layer of kevlar rope protection and the black pcv wit
Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Martin BrownI am describing how the real world is and not some imaginary utopia. Marketing departments have teams of people figuring out how to maximise their income for selling the minimum amount of goods and services. ISPs are no different to an
Posted: 22 Days 5 Hours ago by: Martin BrownThere is now CityFibre as well in major cities. https://cityfibre.com Very much cherry picking all the most profitable locations.... Nothing like a universal service obligation. Low end FTTP overlaps with FTTC. It is only when you ar
Posted: 23 Days 4 Hours ago by: notya...@gmail.comSNIP Are we getting confused with Brexit? But bad publicity can damage sales - think Cadburys and their smaller bars and cheaper chocolate (not CDM) for their Creme eggs... Apart from the small number who pick up a bargain.
Posted: 23 Days 22 Hours ago by: Java Jivehttps://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/11/ofcoms-end-of-contract-notifications-deliver-broadband-savings.html All that is needed is a requirement that ISPs stick to advertised prices, and don't offer special deals to individuals who
Posted: 23 Days 22 Hours ago by: TweedDoes ofcom have the legal powers to tell ISPs how to price their products?
Posted: 23 Days 22 Hours ago by: Java JiveAll that's needed is some Hands On from HandsOfCom.
Posted: 23 Days 23 Hours ago by: TweedBut confusion marketing is the name of the game - convincing people that something is in their interests when it is not (see also politics). I doubt you could frame legislation that couldn’t be worked around. Commerce is usually more ag
Posted: 24 Days ago by: Java JiveYeahbut, none of that is relevant to my point about the behaviour of ISPs. No indeed, that's partly my point.
Posted: 24 Days ago by: Abandoned_Trolleyplethora or not, theres only one OpenReach, and you either use their service via the reseller of your choice, or you use Virgin media. OR will upgrade the street to FTTP when they are good and ready, but will not give a date - in the m
Posted: 24 Days ago by: Java JiveThere's a plethora of different resellers, and mobile as well. Using only 2/3G at £22pcm, I get between 5Mbps and 15Mpbs, even the lowest rates at busiest times being at least double the best I was ever able to achieve here via a lan
Posted: 24 Days ago by: Java JivePerhaps not, but most people don't like dishonest behaviour by ISPs and similar services. A moment's thought would show them that they are not. A moment's thought would show them that it's in no-one's benefit to have a dishonest mar
Posted: 24 Days 1 Hour ago by: Abandoned_TrolleyAlthough consumer action is going to be a bit difficult in a market which for a lot of people is a monopoly (OpenReach) or a cosy duopoly (OpenReach and Virgin) - in which the toothless regulator sits and watches an obvious cartel at
Posted: 24 Days 1 Hour ago by: TweedI very much doubt that consumers regard renegotiating broadband contracts in remotely the same light as apartheid. Probably most believe, erroneously or not, that they are actually gaining something, so the chances of them joining a moral
Posted: 24 Days 2 Hours ago by: Java JiveIt could also be stopped by consumer action. 100% incorrect, cf apartheid and how the SA economy was brought to its knees by consumer boycotts throughout the world.
Posted: 24 Days 2 Hours ago by: Bob Latham100% correct and 99% of people know this. :-) Bob.
Posted: 24 Days 3 Hours ago by: TweedThe only way this could be stopped, if there was the political will which I doubt, is by legislation. (Somewhat akin to what has happened with car insurance). Without that the only rational course of action is for the individual to seek t
Posted: 24 Days 3 Hours ago by: Java Jive[...] Self-contradiction, rather typical of your moral floundering about in attempted self-justification. And by spending 30 minutes on the phone every year or two you are effectively ensuring that you will always have to be doing th
Posted: 24 Days 6 Hours ago by: Martin BrownIndeed and on a 2 year contract it is worth spending 30 minutes on the phone haggling if that saves you £5 pcm = £120 over the contract. That saving is something like a £240 hourly rate for the time invested. The point I am trying
Posted: 24 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graham JThere's obviously a cost to the business in giving better terms to the customers that complain, as well as the cost to the customer in terms of his/her time and planning. If the cost to the business reduces the profit margin too much,
Posted: 24 Days 20 Hours ago by: PeterMartin Brown <'''firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote That is correct; it is how the cellular business has always worked. However there is a bit of a quid pro quo: when the salesman phones you up, just before your contract ends and moves over
Posted: 24 Days 20 Hours ago by: PeterMartin Brown <'''email@example.com> wrote I read the compressed air method is up to 3km. Still amazing...
Posted: 24 Days 22 Hours ago by: Java Jive*YOU* are the sucker that thinks he's saving something by avoiding paying list price, when all you're actually doing is being subsidised by others who happen to like the democratic idea that they pay the same price for a service as eve
Posted: 25 Days ago by: TweedThough it only seems to be OpenReach’s implementation that has a lower upstream speed. The likes of CityFibre offer symmetric speeds, top tier being 1000Mbits/sec. The physical architecture,ie passive splitting, is the same.
Posted: 25 Days ago by: Martin Brown*YOU* are the sucker if you are paying their full list price. This is basic Sales Negotiation 101.
Posted: 25 Days 1 Hour ago by: Martin BrownThere are also a few joints along the way since the practicalities of feeding it into the ground in bulk are interesting. Only the most expensive commercial fibre service is point to point. There is a passive mixer/splitter on the pole
Posted: 25 Days 1 Hour ago by: TweedUnfortunately it is now being reported that Zen is going to drop this promise for new customers.
Posted: 25 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tim+Which is why I moved to Zen. https://www.zen.co.uk/resources/docs/default-source/document-library/standard-terms-and-conditions/lifetime-price-guarantee-terms-and-conditions.pdf Tim
Posted: 25 Days 3 Hours ago by: Java JiveWhich is exactly why at the end of your contract you'll have to go through the whole dishonest palaver again. So, in order to discourage such behaviour, walk away from any firm who does that, don't encourage its perpetuation by playin
Posted: 25 Days 7 Hours ago by: Martin BrownWhy on earth would they do that? Inertia selling works to their advantage - even more so if you do it online and pay top whack! The ISPs, supermarkets, insurance and utility companies have made it so that serial disloyalty pays and if
Posted: 26 Days ago by: Abandoned_TrolleyI dont know if the cables were pressurised with nitrogen or just dry air - but they were definitely still using paper insulation when I was an apprentice, and the paper was definitely getting eaten by rodents. "Andrew" antenna syste
Posted: 26 Days ago by: MBI don't think the use of Nitrogen is anything to do with killing rodents. It was often used on antenna system where little chance of rodents. Dehydrators tend to used more but Nitrogen has the advantage in the field that it does not
Posted: 26 Days 4 Hours ago by: notya...@gmail.comSingle mode fibre ~100km. Depends a bit on the data rate.
Posted: 26 Days 5 Hours ago by: Java JiveWhat's not to like is that both the ISP and you are actually being dishonest - the ISP should give the same deal on their website as they do over the phone and you shouldn't be expecting to get a better deal by haggling - and furth
Posted: 26 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graham J[snip] I think all BT cables were traditionally pressurised with dry nitrogen. Before the days of PVC insulation the individual copper wires were sheathed in paper, and in the dry atmosphere were therefore perfectly well insulated.
Posted: 26 Days 7 Hours ago by: Martin Brown+1 The physical fibre is already incredibly fast and you are in effect buying (the use of) a multiple of time slot packets available on it. I'm on what BT sells as 100Mbps guaranteed (haggled to under £30/pcm). It has a peak speed of
Posted: 26 Days 7 Hours ago by: Martin BrownThe physical fibre and its hardware is capable of much faster than that. They do get gigabit speeds (well 1GB t least) but they only get the fraction of it that they have paid for! You are buying a timeshare of a multiplexed fibre line
Posted: 26 Days 8 Hours ago by: Graham J[snip] Interested to hear that story - I have some SNOM 300 phones and the power input connectors on the old ones break off the PCB. I think some PABXs have a VOIP input module, which would solve your problem.
Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: PeterAndy Burns <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote Gosh that means I could keep the whole PBX and phones.
Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy BurnsThat's where I mentioned an ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: PeterAndy Burns <email@example.com> wrote They would literally have to give every granny a new phone, obviously with a mains power unit :) Well... I am wondering how I will best do this. Currently I have 2 copper lines (2 consecutive num
Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: TweedTo be strictly accurate it depends on the infrastructure provider how they do it, not the ISP. OpenReach, CityFibre etc define how the optical network works. (Sometimes they are one and the same but both OpenReach and CityFibre act as who
Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Burnsit can be, but individual households won't want to be paying *that* much it can be passively split, and on top of that you can run multiple "colours" of light down it at the same time, and/or time slice it, that way you can use a sin
Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy BurnsWhich it will be (I'm not sure I believe the current timescale of 2025). But if you move to this new fibre provider, you can guarantee they won't supply a copper phone line, either they'll provide a voip service that runs from a phone
Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: PeterMartin Brown <'''firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote Isn't fibre point to point, or can they multidrop it?
Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: PeterMike Humphrey <email@example.com> wrote That's funny because the local coordinator was telling everyone they will get gigabit speeds :) I said to him I am on 80/30 with A&A for 40 quid a month (which almost no private person wil
Posted: 26 Days 21 Hours ago by: Martin BrownThey go back to a much larger county town scale exchange. My local exchange was bypassed for the FTTP (which I now have). The optic fibres run continuously for about 15 miles. I don't know what the upper limit on range to exchange is
Posted: 26 Days 21 Hours ago by: PeterAndy Burns <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote Only possible if copper is abandoned - the village phones have to connect somewhere :)
Posted: 27 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mike HumphreyThe Openreach FTTP kit is gigabit speed already. It's shared with up to 30 other houses, and the throughput is capped. If you pay more money they will increase the cap and/or give you a fibre shared with less (or no) other houses. Mi
Posted: 27 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy BurnsBut why would an altnet provider want to go anywhere near BT? Presumably they would want the smallest number of headend sites they can get away with and can provide their own backhaul and voip handover in any convenient datacentre?
Posted: 27 Days 4 Hours ago by: notya...@gmail.comThere may still be a concentrator, tucked away in a quiet corner, probably near where the local exchange was. Switching will be done in a main exchange miles away, but such has been the advances in electronics that an exchange [e.g. BT S
Posted: 27 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andy Burns4/5ths of them will be closing, they'll connect somewhere bigger and further away, not necessarily a BT exchange at all.
Posted: 27 Days 7 Hours ago by: PeterI don't think it is Cityfibre. This isn't Brighton city itself. This is in the villages just north of it. One curious thing is that they aren't connecting to the local village phone exchange, but perhaps they would not be. We are on Vodaf
Posted: 27 Days 10 Hours ago by: Ivan PlappCould be CityFibre then https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/02/cityfibre-start-80m-fttp-broadband-rollout-in-brighton-and-hove.html
Posted: 27 Days 18 Hours ago by: PeterOn it it says RADIUS MINIGLIDE 7-WAY X 14X10MM DB 220713 LINE32 0179M Google finds it: http://radiustelecoms.com/products/fttx-microtubing-systems/miniglide-microtubing/
Posted: 27 Days 20 Hours ago by: PeterNooo - this is a fibre duct. It is all over the news here. Looks very similar to this http://blownfibre.co.za/products/microducts/ Ivan Plapp <email@example.com> wrote
Posted: 28 Days 7 Hours ago by: KoopaIf you occasionally need more data you can get 25GB for £ 10, 50GB for £ 15 or 100GB for £ 25 these are one off data boosters lasting a month I presume.
Posted: 28 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ivan PlappOrange ducting would be for street lighting and / or traffic lights
Posted: 29 Days ago by: PeterIt is hex cross-section orange stuff, with 7 channels. The funny thing is that a lot of this area already has FTTP. Yet they are running it all through these places. Is it some separate high capacity network? They have been trying to get
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