On 4/7/22 09:58, VanguardLH wrote:
> Their wiki page just
> points back to the project home page.

Sounds like 99% of those projects

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/7/22 07:55, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> posted this via
>> news:t2lktu$6ig$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2022 10:31 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/22 18:47, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> posted this via news:t2le3p$trn$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
>>>>>> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
>>>>>> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you fuukeen serious???
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody in their right mind would download and install something so
>>>>> vague and potentially lethal, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Upgrade to zombie-bot maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be April Fools Day somewhere...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Open mouth, insert foot:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/989e1ee3fc93cdddfddcf85b4f8cfc85ef4d
>>>> 0bd2a3eefb0588a94c83d9f5ade5
>>>
>>> Sometimes you have to scan the individual files, to
>>> build a more complete picture. These could be reputational
>>> detections for example ("not many people have downloaded the package").
>>>
>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/d96a5211c5d78518310406368edeaf9e614fd
>>> 0eddeb7673e31a583a6f61a8dd6/detection
>>>
>>> In any case, the detections aren't exactly high quality ones.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> That package contains .dll files... "Dynamic Link Library". OMG! Just
>> because they don't trigger an alert on a malware scan does NOT mean they
>> don't have cloaked code... or open the door for future intrusions...
>>
>> Malware attacks are *NOT* always linear processes anymore. Quite often
>> they are asymetrical, staggered, and implemented in progressive steps...
>> tiny leetle baby steps... quietly slipping-in or deleting or modifying a
>> line of code here, a line of code there, another line of code over there,
>> until suddenly ~*BAM*~, you're a zombie bot! A zombie bot who doesn't
>> remain operational to jabber about it; muchless make ironic snarky remarks
>> about foot-in-mouth disorders when they probably have zombie toes tickling
>> their tonsils.
>>
>> IIRC, by default in order to launch your Windows 10 OS, your computer does
>> a server side check with the MSFT mothership for verification and
>> authenticity purposes... then the ubiquitous mothership "scans" and hashes
>> your computer for updates, upgrades, hotfixes, little doo-dads that you
>> might be interested in purchasing, etc....
>>
>> Even *IF* "someone" could hack their way into an upgrade to Windows 11 on
>> an ineligble computer... Then *what*??? Trick MSFT into believing it's a
>> verified and authentic OS???
>>
>> Totally run the thing off-line all the time???
>>
>> Sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
>>
>
>
> The problem is caused by what is called "DLL side-loading".
> This does not happen if you download straight from VideoLan.
>
> This is also an issue *WITH ANY* app you download from a
> third part site.
>
> And virustotal does check the dll's too.

Which it has flagged as a trojan. Are your customers aware you're
intentionally putting malware on their computers?

MS aren't the ones who need suing.

On 4/8/2022 4:16 AM, Chris wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/7/22 07:55, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> posted this via
>>> news:t2lktu$6ig$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2022 10:31 PM, T wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/22 18:47, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> posted this via news:t2le3p$trn$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
>>>>>>> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
>>>>>>> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you fuukeen serious???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody in their right mind would download and install something so
>>>>>> vague and potentially lethal, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Upgrade to zombie-bot maybe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must be April Fools Day somewhere...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Open mouth, insert foot:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/989e1ee3fc93cdddfddcf85b4f8cfc85ef4d
>>>>> 0bd2a3eefb0588a94c83d9f5ade5
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes you have to scan the individual files, to
>>>> build a more complete picture. These could be reputational
>>>> detections for example ("not many people have downloaded the package").
>>>>
>>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/d96a5211c5d78518310406368edeaf9e614fd
>>>> 0eddeb7673e31a583a6f61a8dd6/detection
>>>>
>>>> In any case, the detections aren't exactly high quality ones.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> That package contains .dll files... "Dynamic Link Library". OMG! Just
>>> because they don't trigger an alert on a malware scan does NOT mean they
>>> don't have cloaked code... or open the door for future intrusions...
>>>
>>> Malware attacks are *NOT* always linear processes anymore. Quite often
>>> they are asymetrical, staggered, and implemented in progressive steps...
>>> tiny leetle baby steps... quietly slipping-in or deleting or modifying a
>>> line of code here, a line of code there, another line of code over there,
>>> until suddenly ~*BAM*~, you're a zombie bot! A zombie bot who doesn't
>>> remain operational to jabber about it; muchless make ironic snarky remarks
>>> about foot-in-mouth disorders when they probably have zombie toes tickling
>>> their tonsils.
>>>
>>> IIRC, by default in order to launch your Windows 10 OS, your computer does
>>> a server side check with the MSFT mothership for verification and
>>> authenticity purposes... then the ubiquitous mothership "scans" and hashes
>>> your computer for updates, upgrades, hotfixes, little doo-dads that you
>>> might be interested in purchasing, etc....
>>>
>>> Even *IF* "someone" could hack their way into an upgrade to Windows 11 on
>>> an ineligble computer... Then *what*??? Trick MSFT into believing it's a
>>> verified and authentic OS???
>>>
>>> Totally run the thing off-line all the time???
>>>
>>> Sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is caused by what is called "DLL side-loading".
>> This does not happen if you download straight from VideoLan.
>>
>> This is also an issue *WITH ANY* app you download from a
>> third part site.
>>
>> And virustotal does check the dll's too.
>
> Which it has flagged as a trojan. Are your customers aware you're
> intentionally putting malware on their computers?
>
> MS aren't the ones who need suing.
>

The detection of

"Trojan.Malware.300983.susgen"

is bogus. This is not the same thing as a so-called
"False Positive". "False Positive" declarations occur in
good faith situations. Whereas the above "susgen" is
merely "bad tradecraft". It's when you're in the AV business,
but you don't know what you're doing.

If you examine the fossil record, some computer games
packages have received similar scan results. When one of those
happens, no other more established AV products report a problem.

The "susgen" is the secret to decoding this. It means they
really didn't analyse the thing, there was a suspicious behavior,
but then on computers, there are many suspicious behaviors.

If you're interested in the topic, you have an absolutist view of
the world, write a three line HelloWorld program, compile it,
upload a.out to the Virustotal engine, and see how the more
shabby engines declare your program. Even if there's a single
printf in the program, I bet you can manage to get at
least two

"Malicious"

for your trouble. The situation is really that pathetic.

Many of the engines, don't have a full set of unpackers. Which
means, for any practical purpose, you need not bother with them.
You would not be buying the ones that declared they
"could not open the file in question". It's like if you
hired a blind security guard to protect the house.

(Sample of a packer...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPX

Analysing Virustotal output, is like reading tea leaves.
There's an art to it.

Paul

On 2022-04-07, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Because far superior platforms, such as Fedora and
> Mac OS, do not have the voluminous software
> applications available that Windows has.

It depends on what kind of applications you want. There is voluminous
software available for Unix-type systems, but a lot of it is not necessarily
what typical users want.

> I use Fedora myself. I rather enjoy it. It is
> a lot closer to the CPU than Windows. And EVERYTHING
> is configurable.

I use Debian on servers and Ubuntu LTS variants on desktops. They
do everything I need.

> And I would not have a job without M$ crappy quality.

I'd have plenty enough to do without having to fight with Microsoft's
crappy software!

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On 4/8/22 08:50, Paul wrote:
> This is not the same thing as a so-called
> "False Positive". "False Positive" declarations occur in
> good faith situations. Whereas the above "susgen" is
> merely "bad tradecraft". It's when you're in the AV business,
> but you don't know what you're doing.
Hi Paul,
Interestng way of spinning it. "good faith" versus
"bad tradecraft". The result is the same.
-T

On 4/8/22 08:50, Paul wrote:
> Analysing Virustotal output, is like reading tea leaves.
About 15 years ago, a customer's work computers
were acting a little weird. No he COULD NOT have
a virus. He had Norton. I isolated the virus
manually and ran the file through virus total.
Oh s***! Virtually every other engine caught it.
He relented and let me install a different anti
virus (don't remember which one) and never called
me back.
No tea leaves. An elephant in the living room
though (virus and ego).

On 4/8/22 09:13, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2022-04-07, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Because far superior platforms, such as Fedora and
>> Mac OS, do not have the voluminous software
>> applications available that Windows has.
>
> It depends on what kind of applications you want. There is voluminous
> software available for Unix-type systems, but a lot of it is not necessarily
> what typical users want.

Well stated. And they have to have what everyone else
has. Quickbooks for instance.

I am the only one I personally know that runs gnucash.

>
>> I use Fedora myself. I rather enjoy it. It is
>> a lot closer to the CPU than Windows. And EVERYTHING
>> is configurable.
>
> I use Debian on servers and Ubuntu LTS variants on desktops. They
> do everything I need.

Impressive. And you had to get the users off M$ Only
apps, so double impressive. I have not had any
such luck, except for a few home users

>> And I would not have a job without M$ crappy quality.

> I'd have plenty enough to do without having to fight with Microsoft's
> crappy software!

Running M$ Software is like an auto mechanic who
fights with broken cars all day long going out
and buying the worst maintenance car that always
breaks down for his own car and then having
waist his off hours constantly fixing it.

On my M$ Virtual Machines I have for research,
I typically have M$'s update complete disabled.
Me no can stand the bull s***.

On 2022-04-08, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Impressive. And you had to get the users off M$ Only
> apps, so double impressive. I have not had any
> such luck, except for a few home users

I should have made it clear those desktop systems are for my own use!
(My home is Microsoft and Apple free.)

However I have set up Linux systems for people to use at home. For those
that just use a browser to "surf thuh web" (a lot of people) they can't
really tell the difference.

I do have quite a few Linux servers in operation at business customers.

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On 4/8/22 17:42, Roger Blake wrote:
> I do have quite a few Linux servers in operation at business customers.

Any tips as to how to find those customers?

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/8/2022 4:16 AM, Chris wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 4/7/22 07:55, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> posted this via
>>>> news:t2lktu$6ig$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2022 10:31 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/6/22 18:47, Bucky Breeder wrote:
>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> posted this via news:t2le3p$trn$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
>>>>>>>> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
>>>>>>>> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you fuukeen serious???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody in their right mind would download and install something so
>>>>>>> vague and potentially lethal, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upgrade to zombie-bot maybe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must be April Fools Day somewhere...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open mouth, insert foot:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/989e1ee3fc93cdddfddcf85b4f8cfc85ef4d
>>>>>> 0bd2a3eefb0588a94c83d9f5ade5
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes you have to scan the individual files, to
>>>>> build a more complete picture. These could be reputational
>>>>> detections for example ("not many people have downloaded the package").
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/d96a5211c5d78518310406368edeaf9e614fd
>>>>> 0eddeb7673e31a583a6f61a8dd6/detection
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the detections aren't exactly high quality ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> That package contains .dll files... "Dynamic Link Library". OMG! Just
>>>> because they don't trigger an alert on a malware scan does NOT mean they
>>>> don't have cloaked code... or open the door for future intrusions...
>>>>
>>>> Malware attacks are *NOT* always linear processes anymore. Quite often
>>>> they are asymetrical, staggered, and implemented in progressive steps...
>>>> tiny leetle baby steps... quietly slipping-in or deleting or modifying a
>>>> line of code here, a line of code there, another line of code over there,
>>>> until suddenly ~*BAM*~, you're a zombie bot! A zombie bot who doesn't
>>>> remain operational to jabber about it; muchless make ironic snarky remarks
>>>> about foot-in-mouth disorders when they probably have zombie toes tickling
>>>> their tonsils.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, by default in order to launch your Windows 10 OS, your computer does
>>>> a server side check with the MSFT mothership for verification and
>>>> authenticity purposes... then the ubiquitous mothership "scans" and hashes
>>>> your computer for updates, upgrades, hotfixes, little doo-dads that you
>>>> might be interested in purchasing, etc....
>>>>
>>>> Even *IF* "someone" could hack their way into an upgrade to Windows 11 on
>>>> an ineligble computer... Then *what*??? Trick MSFT into believing it's a
>>>> verified and authentic OS???
>>>>
>>>> Totally run the thing off-line all the time???
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is caused by what is called "DLL side-loading".
>>> This does not happen if you download straight from VideoLan.
>>>
>>> This is also an issue *WITH ANY* app you download from a
>>> third part site.
>>>
>>> And virustotal does check the dll's too.
>>
>> Which it has flagged as a trojan. Are your customers aware you're
>> intentionally putting malware on their computers?
>>
>> MS aren't the ones who need suing.
>>
>
> The detection of
>
> "Trojan.Malware.300983.susgen"
>
> is bogus.

Based on what exactly?
>
> This is not the same thing as a so-called
> "False Positive".

Given your description below, sounds exactly like a FP.

However, I'd still not trust any core functionality like "T" has that came
up even with a FP. Especially for something unnecessary.

> "False Positive" declarations occur in
> good faith situations. Whereas the above "susgen" is
> merely "bad tradecraft". It's when you're in the AV business,
> but you don't know what you're doing.
>
> If you examine the fossil record, some computer games
> packages have received similar scan results. When one of those
> happens, no other more established AV products report a problem.
>
> The "susgen" is the secret to decoding this. It means they
> really didn't analyse the thing, there was a suspicious behavior,
> but then on computers, there are many suspicious behaviors.
>
> If you're interested in the topic, you have an absolutist view of
> the world, write a three line HelloWorld program, compile it,
> upload a.out to the Virustotal engine, and see how the more
> shabby engines declare your program. Even if there's a single
> printf in the program, I bet you can manage to get at
> least two
>
> "Malicious"
>
> for your trouble. The situation is really that pathetic.
>
> Many of the engines, don't have a full set of unpackers. Which
> means, for any practical purpose, you need not bother with them.
> You would not be buying the ones that declared they
> "could not open the file in question". It's like if you
> hired a blind security guard to protect the house.
>
> (Sample of a packer...)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPX
>
> Analysing Virustotal output, is like reading tea leaves.
> There's an art to it.

Then it's clearly not fit for purpose.

> Paul
>

T wrote on 4/8/2022 6:11 PM:
> On 4/8/22 17:42, Roger Blake wrote:
>> I do have quite a few Linux servers in operation at business customers.
>
> Any tips as to how to find those customers?

:)
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On 4/9/2022 3:50 AM, Chris wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Analysing Virustotal output, is like reading tea leaves.
>> There's an art to it.
>
> Then it's clearly not fit for purpose.

Correct!

If the number of engines was cut down, to include
only the set from AV-Comparatives, the experience
would be entirely different. You would not need
Tea Leaves or a Ouija board.

Sometimes, when Virustotal lights up with 16 hits,
it's still hard to conclude the detection is real.
You have to Google the custom names they use for
the detections, to get some idea what flora or
fauna is involved.

Virustotal started out as a South American company.
It was bought by Google. Since Google is a more
inviting target for lawsuits, they're forced to have
different operating rules for the site. They have
to allow more of the riff-raff AV companies to play there.
Which dilutes the utility of it, and requires a
certain amount of noise filtering by the user.

Paul

On 07/04/2022 03:17, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>
> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>
> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>
> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>

Are you asking the right question? The real question for me is "Why to
upgrade..."

The 'benefits' seem pointless.

On 4/9/2022 7:06 AM, occam wrote:
> On 07/04/2022 03:17, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
>> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>>
>> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
>> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>>
>> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>>
>> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>>
>
> Are you asking the right question? The real question for me is "Why to
> upgrade..."
>
> The 'benefits' seem pointless.
>

Or at least "undemonstrated". I heard that Windows 11 was supposed to
help manage the use of the two types (P and E) cores on the new Intel
CPUs, but from what I've heard, the best advise (seems to me) to be to
disable the lessor cores. I've haven't seen any reviews along these
lines lately. I'm on the sidelines for now.

Paul wrote on 4/9/2022 2:45 AM:

>
> Sometimes, when Virustotal lights up with 16 hits,
> it's still hard to conclude the detection is real.
> You have to Google the custom names they use for
> the detections, to get some idea what flora or
> fauna is involved.

That's like trying to determine how many John and/or James Smiths have a
common middle name.

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On 07/04/2022 03:31, T wrote:
> Open mouth, insert foot:
>
> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/989e1ee3fc93cdddfddcf85b4f8cfc85ef4d0bd2a3eefb0588a94c83d9f5ade5
>

Just one detection, and it's by a weird antivirus nobody has heard of.

Chances are high that it's a false positive.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 4/9/22 02:45, Paul wrote:
> to include
> only the set from AV-Comparatives
AV Comparatives only test those that provide them
with permission and free software.
You will notice that Norton is not on the list.
Norton would really show up bad if they did

On 4/9/22 13:29, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 07/04/2022 03:31, T wrote:
>> Open mouth, insert foot:
>>
>> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/989e1ee3fc93cdddfddcf85b4f8cfc85ef4d0bd2a3eefb0588a94c83d9f5ade5
>>
>
> Just one detection, and it's by a weird antivirus nobody has heard of.
>
> Chances are high that it's a false positive.
>

That one at the top shows false positives on a lot
of files.

On 4/9/22 04:06, occam wrote:
> On 07/04/2022 03:17, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
>> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>>
>> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
>> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>>
>> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>>
>> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>>
>
> Are you asking the right question? The real question for me is "Why to
> upgrade..."
>
> The 'benefits' seem pointless.
>

Indeed. The 'benefits' are pointless.

The reason was to test bed some of their Point
of Sale software to see how it reacted to
the "pig with the different color lipstick".

And the reason for wanting to know know
and be ready is:

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-603A.html#NRS603ASec210

And W10's support expires a years or two.

"T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:t2le3p$trn$2@dont-email.me...
> Hi All,
>
> Seems the registry hack no longer work to
> bypass W11's idiot hardware requirements.
>
> But, I found a really easy way to upgrade W10
> to W11 and bypass the nonsense.
>
> https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/releases/
>
> Worked petty cool on 21H2
>
>

I have fresh installs of Windows 11 on both an ancient Toshiba Satellite
laptop & on a separate HDD on my main PC which is also fairly ancient.
Neither come anywhere near meeting Windows 11 hardware requirements. No TPM
etc.
Both are running local accounts.
Expecting this experiment to last about a month I was surprised to find that
in both instances Windows 11 self activated so I have a laptop that can dual
boot Windows 8.1 & 11 & a PC that can triple boot Windows 8.1, 10 & 11.

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On 2022-04-09, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Any tips as to how to find those customers?

My business has always been word-of-mouth, old-fashioned person-to-person
networking. (I've never advertised or even had a web site.)

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T wrote on 4/9/2022 3:19 PM:
> On 4/9/22 02:45, Paul wrote:
>> to include
>> only the set from AV-Comparatives
>
> AV Comparatives only test those that provide them
> with permission and free software.
>
> You will notice that Norton is not on the list.
> Norton would really show up bad if they did

Symantec was split into 2 companies, Info Management and Security. The
former Veritas sold to the private equity company Carlyle, the latter to
Broadcom later renamed Norton Life Lock.

AV Comparatives latest 2022 report has *Norton Life Lock 360' on the list.
<https://www.av-comparatives.org/tests/summary-report-2021/>

Results for all tested
<https://www.av-comparatives.org/comparison/>

At this stage of the AV/AM it appears based on AV Comparative testing
that all products are about the same with only a scant few below 99+% and
most just shy or equal to 100% malware protection. Variation primarily
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On 4/10/22 06:42, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2022-04-09, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Any tips as to how to find those customers?
>
> My business has always been word-of-mouth, old-fashioned person-to-person
> networking. (I've never advertised or even had a web site.)
>

Same with me. Referrals are my best source.
Unfortunately starting last year, a number
of my older customers have died on me. When
I get a call from an old customer, they think I
an happy to have the work, but don't realize
I am happy they are still ALIVE! It sucks. I
have known some of these folks for over 20 years.

To get new customers. I have to walk in, shake
hands, and hand out cards. It is not very effective
and I have to visit about 40 business to land one.

And if a business does not have an I.T. consultant,
there is always the risk of finding out just exactly
why no one else will work for them. The tip off is
when I have to chase after them to get paid and/or
they accuse me of causing what I was called in to
fix and did fix. There are some real ass holes
out there.

I am always happy when a carded customer calls and
I find out they liked their old I.T. guy but he
moved or he got hired by a corporation (and
moved) and no longer does consulting work.

Can't find any Linux work though, other that what
I generate myself.

On 4/10/22 12:02, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> At this stage of the AV/AM it appears based on AV Comparative testing
> that all products are about the same with only a scant few below 99+%
> and most just shy or equal to 100% malware protection. Variation
> primarily occurring in False Positive detection.
I have noticed that too. And M$ is finally doing well too.

On 2022-04-10, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Same with me. Referrals are my best source.
> Unfortunately starting last year, a number
> of my older customers have died on me.

I also have customers I've worked with for 20-30 years.

> To get new customers. I have to walk in, shake
> hands, and hand out cards. It is not very effective
> and I have to visit about 40 business to land one.

I haven't been actively soliciting new customers. (I have boxes of
business cards that will never get used.) As old customers retire,
pass away, or sell to new owners who have their own computer support
I'm not soliciting replacements. I figure when I run out of customers
I'll retire from this and do something else if I get bored. The only
new customers I consider taking on are referrals from long-time trusted
clients IF it's a good fit. (There are some things for which I refuse
to provide support for in any case, like Outlook or Exchange.)

I haven't decided yet whether to bail out on customers who run Windows 11.
On the one hand it is an abomination and in my limited contact with
it a pain in the ass to work with. However not many have it yet. For now
I'm advising my people not to accept Microsoft's "generous" free upgrade
if it is offered and to buy new PCs with Windows 10 whenever possible. In
time there may be ways of dealing with the steaming pile of obnoxious crap
in Windows 11 to make it more palatable.

> And if a business does not have an I.T. consultant,
> there is always the risk of finding out just exactly
> why no one else will work for them. The tip off is
> when I have to chase after them to get paid and/or
> they accuse me of causing what I was called in to
> fix and did fix. There are some real ass holes
> out there.

I got rid of the asshole clients a long time ago. At this point I only
work for people I like or projects I'm interested in.

> Can't find any Linux work though, other that what
> I generate myself.

It's out there. A good part of my business is maintaining Linux and BSD
servers on the internet (web servers, mail servers, etc.). Nice thing
about those jobs, aside from not having to work with Windows, is they're
done remotely so I can just slouch about and not even shave if I don't
feel like it.

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