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I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:

And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework

We are AI or was it borg?

btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
ball of wax.

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 by: Douglas Eagleson - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:19 UTC

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:
>
> And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework
>
> We are AI or was it borg?
>
> btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
> in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
> ball of wax.

Does anybody know of a We or I paradox?

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 by: Don Stockbauer - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:40 UTC

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:
> >
> > And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
> > https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework
> >
> > We are AI or was it borg?
> >
> > btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
> > in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
> > ball of wax.
> Does anybody know of a We or I paradox?

Self-reference produces a lot of paradoxes like "this sentence is false ", the Epimenides
paradox . I guess what you call a We or an I paradox. if you study Douglas Hofstadter's work you'll see he put a lot of effort into defining the "I" , how it forms throughout one's life.

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Subject: Re: The Second Abstraction of AI
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 by: Don Stockbauer - Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:23 UTC

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:40:26 PM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > > I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:
> > >
> > > And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
> > > https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework
> > >
> > > We are AI or was it borg?
> > >
> > > btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
> > > in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
> > > ball of wax.
> > Does anybody know of a We or I paradox?
> Self-reference produces a lot of paradoxes like "this sentence is false ", the Epimenides
> paradox . I guess what you call a We or an I paradox. if you study Douglas Hofstadter's work you'll see he put a lot of effort into defining the "I" , how it forms throughout one's life.

Or maybe not. Who the hell knows in this complicated day and age?

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 by: Douglas Eagleson - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:31 UTC

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 4:23:42 AM UTC-4, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:40:26 PM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > > > I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:
> > > >
> > > > And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
> > > > https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework
> > > >
> > > > We are AI or was it borg?
> > > >
> > > > btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
> > > > in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
> > > > ball of wax.
> > > Does anybody know of a We or I paradox?
> > Self-reference produces a lot of paradoxes like "this sentence is false ", the Epimenides
> > paradox accept. I guess what you call a We or an I paradox. if you study Douglas Hofstadter's work you'll see he put a lot of effort into defining the "I" , how it forms throughout one's life.
> Or maybe not. Who the hell knows in this complicated day and age?

here are some links where I explain myself

https://douglasmeaglesonportal.yolasite.com
https://platosschoolhouse.blogspot.com

The school house is a learning blog. The classical
Greek theorists I claim as fully sufficient for logic
of basic formal thought.

The basic challenge is to apply relation implication
as assumptive.

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On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:31:41 PM UTC-6, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 4:23:42 AM UTC-4, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:40:26 PM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> > > > > I first posted in sci.crypt by mistake:
> > > > >
> > > > > And to new world begins:: Structuring an AI
> > > > > https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/24/2021-18108/artificial-intelligence-risk-management-framework
> > > > >
> > > > > We are AI or was it borg?
> > > > >
> > > > > btw: when we put the essence of Columbo, the tv detective,
> > > > > in an detective's AI, it is going to be an interesting
> > > > > ball of wax.
> > > > Does anybody know of a We or I paradox?
> > > Self-reference produces a lot of paradoxes like "this sentence is false ", the Epimenides
> > > paradox accept. I guess what you call a We or an I paradox. if you study Douglas Hofstadter's work you'll see he put a lot of effort into defining the "I" , how it forms throughout one's life.
> > Or maybe not. Who the hell knows in this complicated day and age?
> here are some links where I explain myself
>
> https://douglasmeaglesonportal.yolasite.com
> https://platosschoolhouse.blogspot.com
>
> The school house is a learning blog. The classical
> Greek theorists I claim as fully sufficient for logic
> of basic formal thought.
>
> The basic challenge is to apply relation implication
> as assumptive.

That's nice.

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