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||    |   `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||    `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
||     `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||      `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
||       `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
||        `- Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
|`- Re: Usb-c to usb-cCarlos E.R.
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|`- Re: Usb-c to usb-cAndy Burnelli
`* Re: Usb-c to usb-cRob
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  `* Re: Usb-c to usb-cRob
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 by: nospam - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:05 UTC

In article <t50slj$den$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I haven't been on BART or Caltrain since the pandemic, but in 2019 and
> early 2020, wired earphones were definitely more common than wireless.
> 2+ years later this may have changed.

bart/caltrain isn't the only metric.

from what i've seen in wide a variety of places over several years,
about half do not use anything and of the remaining half, the majority
are using wireless headphones (mostly airpods but there are some
others), with a minority using wired headphones.

> Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are using an
> FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on iPhones.

which further proves how little demand there is for such a feature.

> FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also not as
> rare as some people apparently believe.

it's use is extremely rare. otherwise, it would be widely advertised as
a competitive advantage over phones that don't have it. so few people
care that many of them don't even realize their phone has it, if it
does.

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From: spa...@nospam.com (Andy Burnelli)
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:37 UTC

nospam wrote:

> from what i've seen in wide a variety of places over several years,
> about half do not use anything and of the remaining half, the majority
> are using wireless headphones (mostly airpods but there are some
> others), with a minority using wired headphones.

Hey nospam, allow me to ask you an _adult_ question, ok?

You always seem to fabricate your own various and sundry "personal polls"
that always seem to agree with your preconceived notion that every
functionality that the iPhone lacks, is functionality _nobody_ wants.

Why?
>> Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are using an
>> FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on iPhones.
>
> which further proves how little demand there is for such a feature.

Regarding demand, why is it a fact FM radios are in _most_ smartphones?

>> FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also not as
>> rare as some people apparently believe.
>
> it's use is extremely rare.

The fact is that FM radio OTA isn't useful unless you have a receiver.
If FM radio is so rare, why are there so many FM OTA stations, nospam?

Note to morons: OTA means here that they're sending the waves out OTA.

> otherwise, it would be widely advertised as
> a competitive advantage over phones that don't have it.

Car companies don't advertise their cars come with seat belts, do they?
People selling houses don't advertise they come with windows, do they?
People who sell coffee don't advertise they can add sugar if you want.

Some things are basic and simply expected in a _functional_ device.
An FM radio is found in most phones because it's considered standard.

Except in one brand of phones, of course, which wouldn't matter so much as
a detail, except the iKooks who favor that one brand that always is missing
the functionality are the ones claiming nobody wants that functionality.

Which means it's important for _adults_ to note that all the functionality
that Apple removed (or never put in) the iPhone, is _always_ the
functionality that the iKooks spend gads of posts claiming nobody wants.

That adult observation brings me to my question of the iKooks like nospam.

> so few people
> care that many of them don't even realize their phone has it, if it
> does.

Based on observation that iKooks _hate_ only the basic functionality that
the iPhone lacks, the question is why do they _hate_ that functionality?

*They should be _happy_ that Android has basic functionality iPhones lack*

Why is it the iKooks come up with all sorts of fantastical excuses for why
they _hate_ what, to everyone else, is simple basic standard functionality?
*May I ask the iKooks why they _hate_ basic smartphone functionality?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/dS0CGiK-M00>
--
Why is it the iKooks come up with all sorts of fantastical excuses for why
they _hate_ what, to everyone else, is simple basic standard functionality?

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 by: Hank Rogers - Thu, 5 May 2022 18:46 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are
>> using an FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on
>> iPhones.
>
> In the USA, roughly about half the smartphone owners are on each
> platform.
> If they're listening to a recent iPhone, it won't be using standard
> wires.
>
> Apple dropped that basic functionality so that you have to find
> some other
> way to get what you had before Apple removed functionality from the
> iPhone.
>
>> FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also
>> not as rare as some people apparently believe.
>
> The fact that FM radio is supplied with _most_ phones is an
> important fact.
>
> What I observe about nospam is what everyone observes about what he
> does.
> 1. He _hates_ that Apple removed the basic wired-headphone
> functionality
> 2. So he makes up _excuses_ for why his beloved iPhone lacks
> functionality
> 3. One of those excuses is that he _fabricates_ his "opinion polls"
>
> Just watch.
> We who observe predict every move nospam makes, maybe even better
> than he.

Man, you sure do a good job riding herd on all these juvenile
iKooks. Why do you love iKooks so much? Seems sort of kinky to me.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 5 May 2022 19:19 UTC

On 2022-05-05 15:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> Yes. I know, the iKooks claim nobody wants basic functionality.
>>
>> I don't have a war with Apple or their fans. I don't care what they
>> have or do. I don't have any apple product, never did, probably never
>> will. But I don't like anybody taking any occasion to do war on them.
>
> I have both Android and iOS and I do think that there are times when
> discussing the differences are good for both Android & iOS users.

Ok, true, right, but as long as you (all) are polite and don't demean
the others. Not calling names, for instance. Take that to advocacy groups.

Or rent a boxing ring and get it over :-P

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 5 May 2022 20:42 UTC

On 2022-05-05 9:14 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> Of course very few of the people wearing wired headphones are using an
>> FM radio since more than half were almost certainly on iPhones.
>
> In the USA, roughly about half the smartphone owners are on each platform.
> If they're listening to a recent iPhone, it won't be using standard wires.

I love the way you have to throw in those careful qualifiers.

What is the particular benefit of the wires being "standard".

>
> Apple dropped that basic functionality so that you have to find some other
> way to get what you had before Apple removed functionality from the iPhone.

Apple replaced the 3.5mm audio jack with a different way that lets you
have the same real functionality:

Plugging in earbuds/earphones.

>
>> FM radio use on phones is certainly not widespread, but it's also not
>> as rare as some people apparently believe.
>
> The fact that FM radio is supplied with _most_ phones is an important fact.

The fact is that a fact is a fact...

....without examining the fact that on many phones the FM radio isn't
actually supported.

Roughly 2500 phones currently available (or coming soon)...

....only 1500 of which have FM radio.

Is 3/5 really "most"?

>
> What I observe about nospam is what everyone observes about what he does.
> 1. He _hates_ that Apple removed the basic wired-headphone functionality

Why would he hate that?

> 2. So he makes up _excuses_ for why his beloved iPhone lacks functionality
> 3. One of those excuses is that he _fabricates_ his "opinion polls"
>
> Just watch.
> We who observe predict every move nospam makes, maybe even better than he.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:25 UTC

In article <t51cs1$hjp$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > Apple dropped that basic functionality so that you have to find some other
> > way to get what you had before Apple removed functionality from the iPhone.
>
> Apple replaced the 3.5mm audio jack with a different way that lets you
> have the same real functionality:

it actually has better functionality and with a more reliable connector.

many android device makers did the same, including google pixel,
samsung, oneplus and others. in other words, the major brands that sell
in quantity.

> Plugging in earbuds/earphones.

which is the same as before. the only difference is the shape of the
plug.

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From: noem...@none.com (AJL)
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 by: AJL - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:58 UTC

On 5/5/2022 3:25 PM, nospam wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Apple replaced the 3.5mm audio jack with a different way that lets you
>> have the same real functionality:

> it actually has better functionality and with a more reliable connector.

> many android device makers did the same, including google pixel,
> samsung, oneplus and others. in other words, the major brands that sell
> in quantity.

Same with my Lenovo IdeaPad Chrome OS tablet. No earphone or card holes.
Maybe it's because IdeaPad sounds like iPad... ;)

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:24 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Apple replaced the 3.5mm audio jack with a different way that lets you
>> have the same real functionality:
>
> it actually has better functionality and with a more reliable connector.

C'mon nospam. You can't fool everyone.

The only common factor in the basic industry standard functionality you
deplore... is Apple removed it (or never had it).

>> Plugging in earbuds/earphones.
>
> which is the same as before. the only difference is the shape of the
> plug.

You've still not answered the logical question of what you claim is the
lack of functionality in a phone that happens to have a 3.5mm jack.

What functionality can your phone _without_ the jack do that any phone
can't do that happens to have the jack (whether or not that jack is used)?
--
Why is it the iKooks come up with all sorts of fantastical excuses for why
they _hate_ what, to everyone else, is simple basic standard functionality?

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