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* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingDaniel65
+- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingRichard Kettlewell
+* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
| `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJoe
|  +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAllodoxaphobia
|  |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJoe
|  | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |  +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingsanoman
|  |  |+- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |  |+- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |  |`- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |    +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |    |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |    | `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |    +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |     |+- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |+* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |     ||`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |     || `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     ||  +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingMartin Gregorie
|  |     ||  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingRockinghorse Winner
|  |     ||   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     ||    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |     ||     `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     ||      +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |     ||      |`- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     ||      `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computinggareth evans
|  |     |+- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |     |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingalister
|  |     | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |   +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingBubba the Corn Dog
|  |     |   |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   | +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |   | |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   | | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingBubba the Corn Dog
|  |     |   | |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   | |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |   | |    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   | |     `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |   | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingScott Alfter
|  |     |   |  +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |     |   |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |   |    `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingnospam
|  |     |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |     |    +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingFolderol
|  |     |    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |     `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |      +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingBubba the Corn Dog
|  |     |      |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |      | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingkilla-de-bug
|  |     |      |  `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |      `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingFolderol
|  |     |       `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     |        `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |     |         `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAndy Burns
|  |     |          `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |     `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |      `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |       `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |        +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingFolderol
|  |        |`- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingNikolaj Lazic
|  |        +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |        `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |         `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |          +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |          | +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  |          |  +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingRobert Riches
|  |          |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingPancho
|  |          |   +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |          |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |          |    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     | |+* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | ||+* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     | |||`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | ||| `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     | |||  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | |||   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     | |||    `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | ||`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     | || `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     | |`- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     | `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     |  `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     |   `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     |    `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     |     +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingTimS
|  |          |     |     |+* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingJava Jive
|  |          |     |     ||`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingDaniel65
|  |          |     |     || +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingMartin Gregorie
|  |          |     |     || `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingMichael J. Mahon
|  |          |     |     |`* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingDaniel65
|  |          |     |     `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingThe Natural Philosopher
|  |          |     +* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingAhem A Rivet's Shot
|  |          |     +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |          |     `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingBob Martin
|  |          +- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computingjak
|  |          `* Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
|  `- Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose ComputingWilliam Unruh
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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:37 UTC

On 23/12/2021 23:35, Java Jive wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 19:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 19:00, David Higton wrote:
>>>
>>> ... and the conspiracy theorists.
>>>
>>> The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
>>> ant-vax lies.  The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to
>>> accept that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable
>>> energy doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it
>>> working, now, in the real world)
>>
>> It works to make money.It doesn't work to generate reliable
>> electricity and it doesnt work to reduce carbon emissions
>>
>> But you need to understand engineering to see that.
>
> Again, if it's simply a matter of engineering, you should be able to
> provide a link to support this claim with *EVIDENCE*, but you don't,
> because you know you can't, because it's just another of your endless lies.
>
>> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated
>> renewable energy.
>
> Again, where is your *EVIDENCE* in support of this claim?
>
Its all there in the data and what is happening to Western grids and in
the spiralling electricity prices

I am not interested in convincing bigots. Time will show whether or not
what I claim has merit.

--
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:38 UTC

On 23/12/2021 23:38, Java Jive wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 22:27, David Higton wrote:
>>
>> I now see that you are nothing but a troll,
>
> ... most decidedly ...
>
>> and without the understanding
>> of engineering that you claim.
>
> He is reputed to have had some at one time, but I've never seen the
> slightest evidence of it in any of his posts, which are clearly from a
> bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore.
>
And that shows me precisely what you are.

"a bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore."

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 17:46 UTC

On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 23/12/2021 23:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that protests within the EU are any
>> more or less violent compared with ours.
>
> I told you. carefully concealed.

In other words, there wasn't any, and you're just lying.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 17:48 UTC

On 24/12/2021 08:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 23/12/2021 23:38, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> He is reputed to have had some at one time, but I've never seen the
>> slightest evidence of it in any of his posts, which are clearly from a
>> bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore.
>
> And that shows me precisely what you are.
>
> "a  bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore."

I'm the one who has been linking to facts here, you're the one repeating
baseless bigotry.

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Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 17:52 UTC

On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
> I have been researching the subject over 10 years.
> You? Ah. you read it in  the NY times I guess.
> In an article written by an Art Student

I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing, and I've
been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 17:54 UTC

On 24/12/2021 08:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 23/12/2021 23:35, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 19:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated
>>> renewable energy.
>>
>> Again, where is your *EVIDENCE* in support of this claim?
>
> Its all there in the data and what is happening to Western grids and in
> the spiralling electricity prices

Still no *EVIDENCE* given, c'mon, where is it?

> I am not interested in convincing bigots. Time will show whether or not
> what I claim has merit.

Time is already showing that your bigoted claims above have no merit
whatsoever.

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 by: Axel Berger - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:09 UTC

Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,

In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".

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 by: Jim Jackson - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:08 UTC

On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>> I have been researching the subject over 10 years.
>> You? Ah. you read it in?? the NY times I guess.
>> In an article written by an Art Student
>
> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing, and I've
> been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
> change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
> bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.

you noticed did you :-)
Why not just killfile him or ignore him. He likes the attention.

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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 21:09 UTC

On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>
> Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>
>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>
> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".

Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
would be "arse comparison" :-)

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Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
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 by: Java Jive - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 21:13 UTC

On 24/12/2021 20:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
>
> On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing, and I've
>> been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
>> change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
>> bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.
>
> you noticed did you :-)
> Why not just killfile him or ignore him. He likes the attention.

Yes, it's a problem that, by answering, you encourage the troll, but I
think worse is that by not answering and not debunking his shit, it
remains around for ever as dog-shit for others to step in - at least
this way every lie is debunked, so the next thing that people read after
the lie is the debunking, and thus can avoid being misled by the lies.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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 by: David Higton - Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:34 UTC

In message <sq5d5q$v6b$1@dont-email.me>
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 24/12/2021 20:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
> >
> > On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing, and I've
> > > been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
> > > change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
> > > bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.
> >
> > you noticed did you :-) Why not just killfile him or ignore him. He likes
> > the attention.
>
> Yes, it's a problem that, by answering, you encourage the troll, but I
> think worse is that by not answering and not debunking his shit, it
> remains around for ever as dog-shit for others to step in - at least
> this way every lie is debunked, so the next thing that people read after
> the lie is the debunking, and thus can avoid being misled by the lies.

Since he lies about everything, it seems reasonable to assume he lied
about the degree too - after all, there is no evidence that it has
done any good to his thought processes.

David

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 by: Nikolaj Lazic - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 00:22 UTC

Dana Fri, 24 Dec 2021 21:09:24 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> napis'o:
> On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>>
>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>>
>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>>
>> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>
> Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
> would be "arse comparison" :-)
>

No... "dick comparison"

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 by: Jasen Betts - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:00 UTC

On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>>
>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>>
>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>>
>> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>
> Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
> would be "arse comparison" :-)

"Schwanz" can also mean penis, so penis comparison

As in "penis size war"
https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100315230

--
Jasen.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:12 UTC

On 24/12/2021 17:46, Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 23:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that protests within the EU are any
>>> more or less violent compared with ours.
>>
>> I told you. carefully concealed.
>
> In other words, there wasn't any, and you're just lying.
>
Illogical bigoted inference.
How absolutely in character.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels-2/194630/brussels-riots-aftermath-44-arrests-3-injured-officers-and-a-lot-of-damage

But don't worry your pretty little head, its obviously fake news if you
didn't read it in the Guardian.

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:12 UTC

On 24/12/2021 17:48, Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 23:38, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> He is reputed to have had some at one time, but I've never seen the
>>> slightest evidence of it in any of his posts, which are clearly from
>>> a bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore.
>>
>> And that shows me precisely what you are.
>>
>> "a  bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore."
>
> I'm the one who has been linking to facts here, you're the one repeating
> baseless bigotry.
>
No.
I think I will leave it for others to judge that

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:18 UTC

On 24/12/2021 17:52, Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>> I have been researching the subject over 10 years.
>> You? Ah. you read it in  the NY times I guess.
>> In an article written by an Art Student
>
> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,

So you know fuck all about engineering then.

Or computer modelling in the earth sciences

and I've
> been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
> change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
> bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.
>

I think it was your claim back around 2010 that 'by 2020 the country
will be running entirely on renewable energy' that got me started into
wondering whether that was a realistic statement

I discovered that it was not, and then I wondered why that fact was not
being used to form policy, and that irrespective of CO2s effects on the
climate, renewable energy was a pointless way to attempt to reduce it.

I then wondered if as well as lying about renewable energy, people were
lying about climate too.

From being a complete believer in climate change in the 1990s I moved
to being utterly sceptical the more I learnt about the details of the so
called science,.

Unlike you, I kept an open mind and let the data, not the Guardian and
the BBC, form my worldview.

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:19 UTC

On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
> Java Jive wrote:
>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>
> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>
>
ROFLMAO!

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:20 UTC

On 24/12/2021 21:09, Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>>
>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>>
>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>>
>> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>
> Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
> would be "arse comparison" :-)
>
No dear. its willy waving.

Cant even use google. Typical computer scientist.

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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On 24/12/2021 22:34, David Higton wrote:
> In message <sq5d5q$v6b$1@dont-email.me>
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/12/2021 20:08, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing, and I've
>>>> been debunking for over 10 years your continuous lies about climate
>>>> change, the EU, nuclear power, and various others of your endless
>>>> bigotries as when they are endlessly recycled.
>>>
>>> you noticed did you :-) Why not just killfile him or ignore him. He likes
>>> the attention.
>>
>> Yes, it's a problem that, by answering, you encourage the troll, but I
>> think worse is that by not answering and not debunking his shit, it
>> remains around for ever as dog-shit for others to step in - at least
>> this way every lie is debunked, so the next thing that people read after
>> the lie is the debunking, and thus can avoid being misled by the lies.
>
> Since he lies about everything, it seems reasonable to assume he lied
> about the degree too - after all, there is no evidence that it has
> done any good to his thought processes.
>
There are people who know me who can confirm that and indeed my careers
in engineering and business.

Your attempts to ad hominen and cancel what I have to say by imputing
that I dont know what I am talking about are typical symptoms of those
who deny the truth about climate change and renewable energy - namely
that the first is 90% natural certainly not unprecedented and of no
great concern, and the second is a profitable scam.

But as I say, it doesn't matter. Having poured trillions into windmills
and locked the whole world down,. the rise in CO2 hasn't changed one
iota, and all that has happened is that the European and UK grids are in
danger of collapse and electricity prices are now 8 times what they were
20 years ago.
And Energiewende Germany is producing more CO2 per MWh than any other
nation in Europe.

*shrug*

The great thing that engineers understand, that pointy headed computer
scientists do not, is that there is a real world out there, with its own
rules, and by and large it will bite you in the bum if you do not
respect what its telling you.
In the European context, engineering analysis on a holistic basis along
with economic analysis shows that renewable energy will turn out to be
an economic and technical disaster.

You don't need to follow the detailed arguments, you just need to look
at te overall emissions of heavily renewable countries, the cost of
electricity across Europe, and the day ahead price spikes that show the
grids are exceeding full capacity on windless and sunless days..

Children are still knowing what snow is, polar bears are thriving, the
antarctic and many glaciers are increasing glaciation. No islands have
disappeared under the sea, and crop yields have never been higher.

If this is climate change, bring it on.

Sadly looking out of the window, this christmas is as cold and dismal as
all te other UK christmasses I can remember. Right back to te 1950s. The
only difference is towns are warmer, because everyone has central heating

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:38 UTC

On 24/12/2021 17:54, Java Jive wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 08:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 23:35, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23/12/2021 19:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated
>>>> renewable energy.
>>>
>>> Again, where is your *EVIDENCE* in support of this claim?
>>
>> Its all there in the data and what is happening to Western grids and
>> in the spiralling electricity prices
>
> Still no *EVIDENCE* given, c'mon, where is it?
>
Not on today as its christmas

https://www.energylive.cloud/

>> I am not interested in convincing bigots. Time will show whether or
>> not what I claim has merit.
>
> Time is already showing that your bigoted claims above have no merit
> whatsoever.
>
so much hatred and ad hominems. Your renewable/climate denialism is strong

--
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:32 UTC

On 25/12/2021 09:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 24/12/2021 17:46, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23/12/2021 23:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that protests within the EU are
>>>> any more or less violent compared with ours.
>>>
>>> I told you. carefully concealed.
>>
>> In other words, there wasn't any, and you're just lying.
>>
> Illogical bigoted inference. How absolutely in character.
>
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels-2/194630/brussels-riots-aftermath-44-arrests-3-injured-officers-and-a-lot-of-damage
>
> But don't worry your pretty little head, its obviously fake news if you
> didn't read it in the Guardian.

It's not fake news merely just one example that on its own doesn't prove
anything either way, because there are at least as many
counter-examples, for example ...

Black Lives Matter latest news: UK protests turn violent
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11810842/black-lives-matter-latest-news-uk-protests-updates/

London Covid-19 protests turn violent | Daily Mail Online
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323957/London-Covid-19-protests-turn-violent.html

London protests: More than 100 arrests after violent clashes with police
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53037767

.... etc, etc. So I repeat I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that
protests within the EU are any more or less violent compared with those
in the UK?

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:34 UTC

On 25/12/2021 09:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 24/12/2021 17:48, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> I'm the one who has been linking to facts here, you're the one
>> repeating baseless bigotry.
>
> No.
> I think I will leave it for others to judge that

Fine, others have already given their opinions, mostly seemingly against
you.

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:36 UTC

On 25/12/2021 08:00, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
> On 2021-12-24, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>>>
>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>>>
>>> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>>
>> Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
>> would be "arse comparison" :-)
>
> "Schwanz" can also mean penis, so penis comparison
>
> As in "penis size war"
> https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100315230

Yes, I realised after I'd posted that perhaps a better translation would
have been 'willy-waving'! You have confirmed that :-)

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:38 UTC

On 25/12/2021 09:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/12/2021 21:09, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 24/12/2021 18:09, Axel Berger wrote:
>>>
>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 24/12/2021 08:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1st Class Honours Degree in Mathematics & Computing,
>>>
>>> In German we have a word for that: "Schwanzvergleich".
>>
>> Translates literally as "tail comparison", so I presume the vernacular
>> would be "arse comparison" :-)
>>
> No dear. its willy waving.

You'd know all about that.

> Cant even use google. Typical computer scientist.

Google gave me 'tail comparison'.

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 by: Java Jive - Sat, 25 Dec 2021 12:19 UTC

On 25/12/2021 09:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 24/12/2021 22:34, David Higton wrote:
>>
>> Since he lies about everything, it seems reasonable to assume he lied
>> about the degree too - after all, there is no evidence that it has
>> done any good to his thought processes.
>
> There are people who know me who can confirm that and indeed my careers
> in engineering and business.
>
> Your attempts to ad hominen and cancel what I have to say by imputing
> that I dont know what I am talking about are typical symptoms of those
> who deny the truth about climate change and renewable energy - namely
> that the first is 90% natural  certainly not unprecedented and of no
> great concern, and the second is a profitable scam.

The first of the above is merely your usual dishonest denialism of
accepted scientific fact, for which as usual you give no *EVIDENCE*, the
second is clearly *FALSE* as the year on year increases in renewable
generation show:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy

> But as I say, it doesn't matter. Having poured trillions into windmills
> and locked the whole world down,. the rise in CO2 hasn't changed one
> iota,

FALSE! Graph entitled "Annual CO2 emissions from fossil fuels, by world
region" shows that India, Africa, N America, and Europe are all
producing less CO2 than they were, and that entitled "Annual percentage
change in CO2 emissions" shows that the rate of CO2 emissions are
falling. Of course we all know that's not enough, but it is the
beginning of a change for the better, and you are lying when you claim
it isn't happening:

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

> and all that has happened is that the European and UK grids are in
> danger of collapse

Where is your *EVIDENCE* for this claim?

> and electricity prices are now 8 times what they were
> 20 years ago.

FALSE! For example, in the UK, average business electricity costs are
3.5 times what they were in 2004, nothing like what you claim above ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/gas-and-electricity-prices-in-the-non-domestic-sector

.... and in the US electricity prices are 62% higher than in 2001 ...

https://www.in2013dollars.com/Electricity/price-inflation/2001-to-2021?amount=100

.... and still in the US energy prices have risen 83%, but this is still
and order of magnitude less than the 800% you claim

> And Energiewende Germany is producing more CO2 per MWh than any other
> nation in Europe.

As has been explained to you before, that is because, rightly or
wrongly, Germany is *NOT* using renewable energy to replace fossil fuel
energy, it is using renewal energy to replace nuclear energy. Some
might consider that a bad policy choice, but the point is that it is a
*policy* choice, nothing to do with the use of renewable energy per se.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/how-germany-generates-its-electricity

"Most obviously, the failure to reduce emissions reflects continued
reliance on coal generation"

In Germany, renewables have largely replaced nuclear plants, not, as in
the UK, coal plants or gas plants (bottom graph in first figure), and
that is the reason why emissions are not decreasing - they're
replacing one low carbon source by another. You and I may think that
ill-advised, but it's a direct result of their policy to de-nuclearise,
not the increased use of renewables.

> *shrug*

The response of someone with a lack of knowledge and understanding who
is too lazy to learn.

> You don't need to follow the detailed arguments, you just need to look
> at te overall emissions of heavily renewable countries, the cost of
> electricity across Europe, and the day ahead price spikes that show the
> grids are exceeding full capacity on windless and sunless days..

And, as shown above, when you do that, the conclusions to be drawn are
*NOT* the ones you attempted to claim above.

> Children are still knowing what snow is, polar bears are thriving,

FALSE! PROVEN LIE REPEATED YET AGAIN:

https://arcticwwf.org/newsroom/stories/polar-bear-assessment-brings-good-and-troubling-news/

Note the map - while much of it is covered by grey-shaded areas
showing insufficient data, and quite a lot by blue-shaded areas where
the population is stable, the green-shaded geographical areas showing
increasing numbers are eclipsed in size by the red-shaded areas showing
decreasing numbers. Further down, after discussing two newly-assessed
populations found to be stable, there is the following quote:

"The number of polar bear subpopulations experiencing recent decreases
has gone from 1 to 4. In Canada, polar bears from Southern and Western
Hudson Bay as well as the Northern Beaufort Sea have all experienced a
fall in numbers. According to scientists, Southern Hudson Bay dropped by
17% and Western Hudson Bay dropped by 18% between 2011 and 2016."

> the
> antarctic and many glaciers are increasing glaciation.

FALSE! The red line denoting 2021 is exceeded only by two previous
outliers, 2007 & 2012, and is well beyond that average for recent decades:

https://earth.gsfc.nasa.gov/cryo/data/current-state-sea-ice-cover

> No islands have
> disappeared under the sea,

Go and live on Tuvalu ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu#Impact_of_climate_change

> and crop yields have never been higher.

.... but not in areas affected by desertification ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification

> If this is climate change, bring it on.

It isn't, and you are a pathetically bigoted fool.

> Sadly looking out of the window, this christmas is as cold and dismal as
> all te other UK christmasses I can remember. Right back to te 1950s. The
> only difference is towns are warmer, because everyone has central heating

Actually, I don't, but that's an entirely different and irrelevant story.

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