On 22/12/2021 17:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 22/12/2021 16:27, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> Ask the same questions about the UK government!  How do yo get rid of
>> a proven liar while holding office, who therefore should be detained
>> at her majesty's pleasure in one of Her Majesty's prisons, not Her
>> Majesty's Prime Minister's accommodation, and has betrayed the best
>> interests of the country, and allowed thousands of its citizens to die
>> avoidably, and who wasn't elected by the majority of the electorate?
>
> You give him a sinecure with the EU and send him off to be middle east
> envoy, after first having voted him out and the tories in.
>
> I assume of course you meant Blair. Well it took some doing for people
> to realise what a lying twofaced britain hating cunt he was, but we know
> now.

No, as I think you know very well, I'm talking about the current lying
two-faced cunt.

> The way it works is quite simple. A by election is held

The last two conservative leaders didn't become PM by winning a general
election.

[Snip irrelevant ramblings based on ignorance of the EU]

> None of that is possible in the EU. The officials are immune from
> prosecution and can only be dismissed by a unanimous vote, which has
> never ever happened.

As I keep saying, you don't understand how the EU works, because it's
never happened in the UK either - when was the last time an unanimous
vote was held to dismiss all the senior civil servants, who are the
nearest UK equivalent of the Commission?

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On 22/12/2021 17:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 22/12/2021 16:30, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 22/12/2021 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> On 21/12/2021 18:45, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 21/12/2021 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/12/2021 09:20, TimS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We already know how it really works: an unelected dictatorship
>>>>>> with no
>>>>>> opposition and with the public having no opportunity to affect that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And the irony is, that the links he supplied totally confirm that!
>>>>
>>>> No they don't read them properly and stop lying about the EU.
>>>
>>> I did read them properly, But I cant help you being in denial and not
>>> reading them properly yourself.
>>
>> No you didn't, you're just lying again, quote the parts that say the
>> the EU is an unelected dictatorship.
>
> no, you tell me how anyone in the EU can remove von der leyen or any
> commissioner by means of a democratic vote.

You can't vote to remove a senior civil servant, who is the nearest UK
equivalent of Van Leyden, so why should it be an issue that you can't
vote to remove her?

> If you want to live in a neo  communist/fascist  totalitarian state,
> fuck off and move.

If you want to live in a fascist right-wing state, you fuck off and
move, but, thank god, this country's not quite that bad yet, despite
your efforts to make it so.

> I don't and Brexit won.

Because the electorate were lied to you by dishonest shits like you.

> More people

Who bothered to vote.

> in Britain wanted to leave it than
> wanted to stay.

> British democracy is always about how to change the CEO without having
> to behead him and have a civil war.
>
> EU is all about never being able to change the CEO except by having a
> civil war, as les gilet jaunes will tell you

For once get it into your sawdust filled head that the Head of the
European Commission is NOT the EU equivalent of our prime minister.

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On 22/12/2021 17:42, TimS wrote:
>>
>> EU is all about never being able to change the CEO except by having a
>> civil war, as les gilet jaunes will tell you
>
> Protests in EU countries are always notably violent.

Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less
violent compared with ours.

> Poor old JJ. He keeps posting links, as if documenting the undemocratic nature
> of the EU somehow excuses it.

I can't help it if you're too stupid to read an understand them. Other
who read your lies will see that they are rebutted, that's all that matters.

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On 22/12/2021 17:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 22/12/2021 16:34, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> Fake news kills!
>
> That makes you a murderer then

No, but does make you one.

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On 22 Dec 2021 at 17:48:57 GMT, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> As I keep saying, you don't understand how the EU works, because it's
> never happened in the UK either - when was the last time an unanimous
> vote was held to dismiss all the senior civil servants, who are the
> nearest UK equivalent of the Commission?

Don't talk cock. Civil servants don't initiate legislation, unlike the
Commission, which does.

--
Tim

On 22 Dec 2021 at 17:59:26 GMT, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/12/2021 17:42, TimS wrote:
>>>
>>> EU is all about never being able to change the CEO except by having a
>>> civil war, as les gilet jaunes will tell you
>>
>> Protests in EU countries are always notably violent.
>
> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less
> violent compared with ours.

Any news programme on the box.

--
Tim

On 22/12/2021 18:12, TimS wrote:
>
> Don't talk cock. Civil servants don't initiate legislation, unlike the
> Commission, which does.

No it drafts it, like civil servants do, political direction comes from
the Council and the Parliament.

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On 22/12/2021 18:13, TimS wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2021 at 17:59:26 GMT, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 22/12/2021 17:42, TimS wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EU is all about never being able to change the CEO except by having a
>>>> civil war, as les gilet jaunes will tell you
>>>
>>> Protests in EU countries are always notably violent.
>>
>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less
>> violent compared with ours.
>
> Any news programme on the box.

Yet you can't even find a single link, so we are entitled to assume that
this is just the usual bigoted crap.

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Java Jive writes:
> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or
> less violent compared with ours.

TimS writes:
> Any news programme on the box.

USA newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests in the EU
newsworthy (and EU newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests
in the USA newsworthy).
--
John Hasler
john@sugarbit.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

On 22 Dec 2021 at 19:22:33 GMT, John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> wrote:

> Java Jive writes:
>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or
>> less violent compared with ours.
>
> TimS writes:
>> Any news programme on the box.
>
> USA newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests in the EU
> newsworthy (and EU newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests
> in the USA newsworthy).

I'm not talking about non-violent protests. I'm talking about those such as
gilets-jaunes, where there have been some deaths. That they might or might not
have been reported in the USA is neither here nor there.

One may note that protests in the US are often violent, too, and for the same
fundamental reason: lack of any meaningful political change possible at the
ballot box.

--
Tim

On 22/12/2021 21:27, TimS wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2021 at 19:22:33 GMT, John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> wrote:
>
>> Java Jive writes:
>>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or
>>> less violent compared with ours.
>>
>> TimS writes:
>>> Any news programme on the box.
>>
>> USA newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests in the EU
>> newsworthy (and EU newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests
>> in the USA newsworthy).
>
> I'm not talking about non-violent protests. I'm talking about those such as
> gilets-jaunes, where there have been some deaths. That they might or might not
> have been reported in the USA is neither here nor there.
>
> One may note that protests in the US are often violent, too, and for the same
> fundamental reason: lack of any meaningful political change possible at the
> ballot box.

And there are lethal riots in the UK too, so I repeat where is your
*EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less violent
compared with ours.

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On 22/12/2021 19:22, John Hasler wrote:
> Java Jive writes:
>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or
>> less violent compared with ours.
>
> TimS writes:
>> Any news programme on the box.
>
> USA newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests in the EU
> newsworthy (and EU newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests
> in the USA newsworthy).
>
Ah well, you need to hit an alt-right site like Breitbart to get any
news at all that isn't 'onLiberalMessage' and then you have to apply the
inverseRedneck™ filter to remove the bias *there*..

In short, we are lied to all the time on any media there is. Everyone
has an agenda, everyone needs to get paid, everyone wants to to
synchronise with their world view, and see the world through their eyes,
and as an amateur philosopher, I understand the Problem Of Induction
means, in this context, that no conspiracy theory can be proved to be
false. Perhaps the Queen really is a lizard from another planet. Perhaps
the Russians really did do it. Perhaps the vaccine actually makes us
believe government bullshit. Perhaps we are all living in a VR
simulation created by pan dimensional white mice, perhaps God is real
and in his place.

The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see the
world from plain common sense to moralising puritans. What is racism?
calling a spade a spade? How dare you call me 'white' ? Had a DNA
analysis? Its BLM who make distinctions between 'races', not me.

Faugh! a plague on all your houses. Thank Clapton I am an engineer, you
cant bullshit machinery. It doesn't matter how much a male plug
'identifies' as female, it still wont plug in another male plug and do
anything useful.
Which reminds me, the bloody range burner has stopped burning and I need
it to cook on.
Cya

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

On 22/12/2021 21:27, TimS wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2021 at 19:22:33 GMT, John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> wrote:
>
>> Java Jive writes:
>>> Where is your *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or
>>> less violent compared with ours.
>>
>> TimS writes:
>>> Any news programme on the box.
>>
>> USA newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests in the EU
>> newsworthy (and EU newsies are unlikely to consider nonviolent protests
>> in the USA newsworthy).
>
> I'm not talking about non-violent protests. I'm talking about those such as
> gilets-jaunes, where there have been some deaths. That they might or might not
> have been reported in the USA is neither here nor there.
>
> One may note that protests in the US are often violent, too, and for the same
> fundamental reason: lack of any meaningful political change possible at the
> ballot box.
>
I'd challenge that. Trump for sure made meaningful changes after being
balloted in.

And in fact the policies that he presided over were pretty popular. Its
just that he wasn't, and the antics of the Liberal media in essentially
cancelling him were very ugly indeed.

(Someone remarked that the Republicans need trump policies without the
Donald. I can relate to that).

I think the real issue is that everyone has forgotten what the point of
democracy really is, and the Left have deliberately misrepresented it in
order to use the ridiculous concept of 'fairness' as a weapon against
democracy.
Democracy was developed in Britain in its modern form because things got
to a head, we killed a profligate king, and then had a moralising god
bothering communist style dictator implement what amounted to martial
law, that any Liberal would be proud of, banning music. laugher, and
anything ungodly for a decade or more. Then he died, thankfully.
Ryaltyhad been entirely cancelled, and so had laughter.
Well the people in general thought he was worse than a king. so they
invited the king back. But they said he was there on sufferance and
couldn't do everything he wanted, but had to coexist with parliament.
Which was composed of rich people. Who liked a bit of fun, and didn't
like being moralised at.
Noe there were other rich people who said that this was all very well,
they didnt have time to attend parliament, but dammit, they weren't to
be ignored either, so they started appoint chums who were of the 'right
stuff;' top represent their point of view. And so it carried on until
the modern system of votes for all - probably a mistake - was
implemented, not to have their views represented, but simply as a brake
on totalitarianism.

After the civil war, the consensus was that anything was better than
bloody war and terror, and so a gentleman's agreement to abide by
majority votes was accepted as civilised and sensible.

All democracy,. British style is, is a way to get rid of the king,
without bloodshed. OK hes not a king these days, we allowed the king to
stay and not be topped, at the expense of having hos executive power
stripped. at lies with the government and the Prime Minster (to the king)

And if he is making a huge mess of things, he can be sacked, by means of
various votes within his party, and if the whole party fails to come up
with a competent CEO, the whole party gets sacked at the next general
election. Britain is a nation of shopkeepers and traders and the way the
country is run is the way a public company is run, with votes and
shareholders.

The point is democracy is not to 'fairly represent the will of the
people' In reality it is a process of sacking and reappointing the
executive board of Britain Ltd., It sacrifices 'fairness' for
'effectiveness' The government can do mostly what it likes, up to the
point at which it needs to be totally removed.

Governments are necessary, to a point, but they have to be kept in
check. Governments are mostly incompetent bumbling fools masquerading as
Glorious Leaders. Mostly that's a lot safer than them actually meddling
with stuff they don't understand.

Unfortunately they have gotten out of hand worldwide. Its time to kick
them in the nuts. By any means possible.

British democracy is a fairly good implement for this. Once enough brits
decide that's what they need.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

On 22/12/2021 21:37, Java Jive wrote:

> And there are lethal riots in the UK too, so I repeat where is your
> *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less violent
> compared with ours.

Carefully hidden, I mean are you naive or *WHAT*.

You actually seem to believe stuff in the media, believe politicians and
bureaucrats,

Bless!

Ask yourself, who in journalism, in media, in the annals of
governments, in the authorship of wikipedia, in *anything* has any
interest whatsoever in letting an innocent pleb like you have access to
the truth?

Firstly you wouldn't believe it, and secondly if you did, with your
moralising stance you might try and go out and do something about it

Cant have that.

You might to a Great Thunderbox and yell 'why aren't you DOING anything
about it?'

SSSH Greta. We are, we are making a fucking fortune out of electric
cars, windmills , grid scale batteries, solar panels, heat pumps,
insulation. None of it is actually making the slightest difference to
carbon emissions, but that doesn't matter.

It's all about excuses to sell more crap to plebs, to transfer their
wealth to our pockets, to make them more dependent on us to crystallize
us as the elite who will deliver them from the imaginary problems we
have created..and that's why we buy off the academics with grants and
cancel the honest ones who show doubt and pay our media chaps to call
them 'climate deniers'.

We own the media. We own the politicians, We own the EU. We own the
Democrats. We don't own Brexit and we didn't own Trump, but we soon put
paid to one and will smash Britain next.

We own the world. And the last thing we want is well informed people in
possession of the truth.

If we say it didn't happen, it didn't happen. Records can be altered.
Entire events airbrushed out of wikipedias and history itself.

So you just settle down with a nice cup of warm milky Ovaltine and a
couple of aspirin and read the Guardian and put on the BBC and settle
back into the carefully constructed narrative we have prepared for you,
and you will feel much better in the morning.

Of course there are no riots in the EU.

It wouldn't be good for business now, would it?

--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see the
> world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.

All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit"
the only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is about
people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...) while
engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much we may wish
otherwise the world of people is run by politics not engineering - the
tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of the cliff by the
politicians.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 23/12/2021 09:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see the
>> world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.
>
> All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit"
> the only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
> fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is about
> people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...) while
> engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much we may wish
> otherwise the world of people is run by politics not engineering - the
> tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of the cliff by the
> politicians.
>
It usen't to be the case. We had idealists- the labour party,. telling
people how the world ought to be, and we had conservatives - sober men
of business, anxious to make a decent pile yes, but anxious also to keep
a country that they largely owned, clear of civil disorder, crime and
able to plan and manage competently.

The modern crop of Oxford PPES are bloody hopeless. They are not
conservatives.

And as for the narratives of te left, well its either violent cultural
revolution and communism, or repressive political correctness and
thought crime in a puritanical police state.

Cromwell called his unelected rule 'the commonwealth'
It is pretty much the same now.

No one has a coherent vision for a post modern post industrial post
Covid world

They are simply working towards unassailable positions of power, in the
hope that even if the plebs die in droves, they wont

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

In message <20211223093706.babfd67ae742f3bcdbf86d5e@eircom.net>
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000 The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see the
> > world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.
>
> All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit" the
> only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
> fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is about
> people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...) while
> engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much we may wish
> otherwise the world of people is run by politics not engineering - the
> tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of the cliff by the
> politicians.

.... and the conspiracy theorists.

The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
ant-vax lies. The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to
accept that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable
energy doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it
working, now, in the real world) will continue to cause countless
deaths from pollution. So their victims have, in effect, been led
over the edge of the cliff.

David

On 23/12/2021 19:00, David Higton wrote:
> In message <20211223093706.babfd67ae742f3bcdbf86d5e@eircom.net>
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000 The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see the
>>> world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.
>>
>> All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit" the
>> only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
>> fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is about
>> people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...) while
>> engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much we may wish
>> otherwise the world of people is run by politics not engineering - the
>> tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of the cliff by the
>> politicians.
>
> ... and the conspiracy theorists.
>
> The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
> ant-vax lies. The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to
> accept that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable
> energy doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it
> working, now, in the real world)

It works to make money.It doesn't work to generate reliable electricity
and it doesnt work to reduce carbon emissions

But you need to understand engineering to see that.

will continue to cause countless
> deaths from pollution. So their victims have, in effect, been led
> over the edge of the cliff.
>
The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated renewable
energy.

> David
>

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

In message <sq2j9f$769$1@dont-email.me>
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/12/2021 19:00, David Higton wrote:
> > In message <20211223093706.babfd67ae742f3bcdbf86d5e@eircom.net>
> > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000 The Natural Philosopher
> > > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see
> > > > the world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.
> > >
> > > All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit" the
> > > only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
> > > fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is
> > > about people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...)
> > > while engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much
> > > we may wish otherwise the world of people is run by politics not
> > > engineering - the tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of
> > > the cliff by the politicians.
> >
> > ... and the conspiracy theorists.
> >
> > The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
> > ant-vax lies. The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to accept
> > that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable energy
> > doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it working,
> > now, in the real world)
>
> It works to make money.It doesn't work to generate reliable electricity
> and it doesnt work to reduce carbon emissions
>
> But you need to understand engineering to see that.
>
>
> will continue to cause countless
> > deaths from pollution. So their victims have, in effect, been led over
> > the edge of the cliff.
> >
> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated renewable
> energy.

I now see that you are nothing but a troll, and without the understanding
of engineering that you claim.

David

On 23/12/2021 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 22/12/2021 21:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> And there are lethal riots in the UK too, so I repeat where is your
>> *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less violent
>> compared with ours.
>
> [Snip bullshit too long and totally devoid of links to *EVIDENCE* to be worth reading]

I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that protests within the EU are any
more or less violent compared with ours.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
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On 23/12/2021 08:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> Ah well, you need to hit an alt-right site like Breitbart to get any
> news at all that isn't 'onLiberalMessage' and then you have to apply the
> inverseRedneck™ filter to remove the bias *there*..

The site is full of downright shite & lies, for example ...

During an Australian Broadcasting Corporation interview, an *individual*
Danish security expert suggested that, when push comes to shove,
differences in viewpoint over climate science could lead to security
issues. Purely as a *hypothetical* example, he imagined a situation
where, after years of inaction by individual governments in the face of
increasingly undeniable climate change, the UN decides that climate
change has become a threat to world peace, and thus falls within their
remit, and enacts internationally binding legislation to enforce climate
palliative or restorative measures, and asks, without giving any
specific answer, what might happen then?

How this was reported makes an interesting trail of denialist media hype
and rank journalistic irresponsibility ...

This is the relatively uncontentious original ABC interview, you need to
listen to all of it first:
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/climate-security/11701888

Next, this is how it came to be reported ...

Breitbart reports it with a completely misleading headline that suggests
that such a decision has already been taken by the UN, and the Danish
professor is merely reporting it to the media, it's only if you read the
article that you realise, hopefully, that this is not the case:
"The United Nations may resort to military action against states that
defy its mandates on global climate action, according to Ole Wæver, a
prominent international relations professor at the University of
Copenhagen."
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/12/03/danish-academic-u-n-might-use-military-to-enforce-climate-agenda/

American (so-called) Thinker, apparently without researching the
original interview at all, goes straight into full diarrhoetic denialist
mode, for example "The totalitarian impulse lurking behind the warmist
agenda is clearly visible" and "Global dictatorship, justified by a
climate hoax. Does it get any more sinister?":
h t t p s : / / w w w . a m e r i c a n t h i n k e r .
com/blog/2019/12/climate_derangement_syndrome_academic_suggests_un_use_military_to_enforce_climate_agenda.html

New American, though a little, a very little, more thoughtful and less
diarrhoetic than the above, nevertheless also jumps straight onto the
denialist bandwagon, again apparently without realising the hypothetical
nature of the original suggestion, it begins, and again note that the
Danish academic is assumed to be speaking *for* the UN, rather than just
speculating *about* a situation where it might become involved, "If the
proposal to arrest climate change realists wasn’t enough to create
suspicion about Big Warming, try this on for size: A Danish academic has
stated that the United Nations may use force against countries defying
its climate change mandates.":
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/34241-u-n-military-action-to-enforce-climate-agenda-it-may-happen-says-academic

<rolls eyes> And that is denialism in a nutshell, completely bigoted,
completely irresponsible, completely irrational, completely right-wing,
and completely shite.

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On 23/12/2021 19:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 23/12/2021 19:00, David Higton wrote:
>>
>> ... and the conspiracy theorists.
>>
>> The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
>> ant-vax lies.  The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to
>> accept that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable
>> energy doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it
>> working, now, in the real world)
>
> It works to make money.It doesn't work to generate reliable electricity
> and it doesnt work to reduce carbon emissions
>
> But you need to understand engineering to see that.

Again, if it's simply a matter of engineering, you should be able to
provide a link to support this claim with *EVIDENCE*, but you don't,
because you know you can't, because it's just another of your endless lies.

> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated renewable
> energy.

Again, where is your *EVIDENCE* in support of this claim?

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On 23/12/2021 22:27, David Higton wrote:
>
> I now see that you are nothing but a troll,

.... most decidedly ...

> and without the understanding
> of engineering that you claim.

He is reputed to have had some at one time, but I've never seen the
slightest evidence of it in any of his posts, which are clearly from a
bigoted fool who's senility is becoming all too obvious to ignore.

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On 23/12/2021 22:27, David Higton wrote:
> In message <sq2j9f$769$1@dont-email.me>
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/12/2021 19:00, David Higton wrote:
>>> In message <20211223093706.babfd67ae742f3bcdbf86d5e@eircom.net>
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:41:50 +0000 The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Left runs on all this bullshit, trying to modify the way we see
>>>>> the world from plain common sense to moralising puritans.
>>>>
>>>> All political movements of all stripes run on "all this bullshit" the
>>>> only difference is the flavour of bullshit they run on - this is the
>>>> fundamental difference between politics and engineering, politics is
>>>> about people (irrational, fearful, self-interested, dishonest ...)
>>>> while engineering is about things (they just are). No matter how much
>>>> we may wish otherwise the world of people is run by politics not
>>>> engineering - the tricky part is to avoid being led over the edge of
>>>> the cliff by the politicians.
>>>
>>> ... and the conspiracy theorists.
>>>
>>> The latter have caused the deaths of countless people by spreading
>>> ant-vax lies. The anti-renewable-energy lot (it's difficult to accept
>>> that people really can be so stupid as to claim that renewable energy
>>> doesn't/can't work, given the huge numbers of examples of it working,
>>> now, in the real world)
>>
>> It works to make money.It doesn't work to generate reliable electricity
>> and it doesnt work to reduce carbon emissions
>>
>> But you need to understand engineering to see that.
>>
>>
>> will continue to cause countless
>>> deaths from pollution. So their victims have, in effect, been led over
>>> the edge of the cliff.
>>>
>> The people who will kill millions are the people who mandated renewable
>> energy.
>
> I now see that you are nothing but a troll, and without the understanding
> of engineering that you claim.
>
I have a first class honours degree in electrical engineering
I have been researching the subject over 10 years.
You? Ah. you read it in the NY times I guess.
In an article written by an Art Student

> David
>

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On 23/12/2021 23:20, Java Jive wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 22/12/2021 21:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> And there are lethal riots in the UK too, so I repeat where is your
>>> *EVIDENCE* that protest within the EU are any more or less violent
>>> compared with ours.
>>
>> [Snip bullshit too long and totally devoid of links to *EVIDENCE* to
>> be worth reading]
>
> I repeat where is your *EVIDENCE* that protests within the EU are any
> more or less violent compared with ours.
>
I told you. carefully concealed.

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