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* New Big-8 NewsgroupJason Evans
+* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRichard Kettlewell
|`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJason Evans
| `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRichard Kettlewell
|  +* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupHenning Hucke
|  |`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRichard Kettlewell
|  | `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupHenning Hucke
|  |  `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
|  `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJason Evans
|   `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRichard Kettlewell
+* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
|+* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJason Evans
||+* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
|||`- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJason Evans
||`- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupTodd M. McComb
|`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
| `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
|  +* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
|  |+* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
|  ||`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
|  || `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
|  ||  `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
|  ||   `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
|  ||    `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
|  ||     `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
|  ||      `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
|  |`- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
|  `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
|   `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
+- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
`- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed

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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:42:14 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: theuse.net
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:42 UTC

Hi all,

Yesterday, a signed control message went out to create
comp.infosystems.gemini at around 20:00GMT. I can see the control message
on my server but my INN did not automatically add it to the /var/lib/news/
newsgroups file. Though I do see it in https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/
CONFIG/newsgroups. Previously new groups had been added to my file
automatically.

I am running INN 2.6.2 because that's the version that's being shipping
with openSUSE Leap 15.3.

I would appreciate it if anyone running a server could check to see if
they are carrying this newsgroup. Thanks!

Jason

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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Richard Kettlewell)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:49:17 +0100
Organization: terraraq NNTP server
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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:49 UTC

Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
> Yesterday, a signed control message went out to create
> comp.infosystems.gemini at around 20:00GMT. I can see the control message
> on my server but my INN did not automatically add it to the /var/lib/news/
> newsgroups file. Though I do see it in https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/
> CONFIG/newsgroups. Previously new groups had been added to my file
> automatically.
>
> I am running INN 2.6.2 because that's the version that's being shipping
> with openSUSE Leap 15.3.
>
> I would appreciate it if anyone running a server could check to see if
> they are carrying this newsgroup. Thanks!

# grep -h gemini /var/lib/docker/volumes/innmantic/_data/var/lib/news/{active,newsgroups}
comp.infosystems.gemini 0000000000 0000000001 y
comp.infosystems.gemini Internet Hypertext System, Privacy, Accessibility.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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From: boa...@big-8.org (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:43:49 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: theuse.net
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:43 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:49:17 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> # grep -h gemini
> /var/lib/docker/volumes/innmantic/_data/var/lib/news/{active,newsgroups}
> comp.infosystems.gemini 0000000000 0000000001 y comp.infosystems.gemini
> Internet Hypertext System, Privacy, Accessibility.

What's the image that your container is based on? I don't see anything
about "innmantic" on hub.docker.com.

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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Richard Kettlewell)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:03 UTC

Jason Evans <board@big-8.org> writes:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:49:17 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>> # grep -h gemini
>> /var/lib/docker/volumes/innmantic/_data/var/lib/news/{active,newsgroups}
>> comp.infosystems.gemini 0000000000 0000000001 y comp.infosystems.gemini
>> Internet Hypertext System, Privacy, Accessibility.
>
> What's the image that your container is based on? I don't see anything
> about "innmantic" on hub.docker.com.

It’s my own creation.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:47:43 +0200
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:47 UTC

Hi Jason,

> Yesterday, a signed control message went out to create
> comp.infosystems.gemini at around 20:00GMT. I can see the control message
> on my server but my INN did not automatically add it to the /var/lib/news/
> newsgroups file. Though I do see it in https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/
> CONFIG/newsgroups. Previously new groups had been added to my file
> automatically.
>
> I am running INN 2.6.2 because that's the version that's being shipping
> with openSUSE Leap 15.3.

Are the PGP keys still present and valid?

To manually check the signature:

% grephistory '<cmsg-20211025200002$fdfd@isc.org>' | sm > control.article

% pgpverify -test < control.article

As the news user, run the following command to see the currently
installed keys:

% gpg --list-keys
/home/news/.gnupg/pubring.kbx
-----------------------------
pub rsa4096 2021-03-14 [SC]
8E181BEF0BE638962C1A5C98FAFE7B550C18C8B7
uid [ inconnue] news.announce.newgroups
sub rsa4096 2021-03-14 [E]

In <pathlib>/perl/INN/Config.pm you'll find which gpg program is used
(in case you have gpg1 and gpg2 for instance):

our $gpgv = '/usr/bin/gpgv';
our $gpg = '/usr/bin/gpg';

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Vous savez, les idées, elles sont dans l'air. Il suffit que quelqu'un
vous en parle de trop près, pour que vous les attrapiez ! » (Raymond
Devos)

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From: h_hucke+...@newsmail.aeon.icebear.org (Henning Hucke)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
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 by: Henning Hucke - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:43 UTC

On 2021-10-26, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Jason Evans <board@big-8.org> writes:
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:49:17 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> [...]
>> What's the image that your container is based on? I don't see anything
>> about "innmantic" on hub.docker.com.
>
> It’s my own creation.

And why do you put inn into a container anyway?

Regards
Henning
--
In the first place, God made idiots;
this was for practice; then he made school boards.
-- Mark Twain

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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:53 UTC

Henning Hucke <h_hucke+spam.news@newsmail.aeon.icebear.org> writes:
> On 2021-10-26, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Jason Evans <board@big-8.org> writes:
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:49:17 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> [...]
>>> What's the image that your container is based on? I don't see
>>> anything about "innmantic" on hub.docker.com.
>>
>> It’s my own creation.
>
> And why do you put inn into a container anyway?

Easier long-term management.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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From: boa...@big-8.org (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:11 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:47:43 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

> % gpg --list-keys /home/news/.gnupg/pubring.kbx
> -----------------------------
> pub rsa4096 2021-03-14 [SC]
> 8E181BEF0BE638962C1A5C98FAFE7B550C18C8B7
> uid [ inconnue] news.announce.newgroups sub rsa4096
> 2021-03-14 [E]

I will add this key to my keychain. What are the odds that other news
server admins do not have this and so will not respect the newgroup
request? That's why I posted this to see if other server admins could let
me know if they are now carrying the goup.

Jason

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From: eag...@eyrie.org (Russ Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Russ Allbery - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:55 UTC

Jason Evans <board@big-8.org> writes:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:47:43 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

>> % gpg --list-keys /home/news/.gnupg/pubring.kbx
>> -----------------------------
>> pub rsa4096 2021-03-14 [SC]
>> 8E181BEF0BE638962C1A5C98FAFE7B550C18C8B7
>> uid [ inconnue] news.announce.newgroups sub rsa4096
>> 2021-03-14 [E]

> I will add this key to my keychain. What are the odds that other news
> server admins do not have this and so will not respect the newgroup
> request? That's why I posted this to see if other server admins could let
> me know if they are now carrying the goup.

newgroups were posted with both the old and the new keys, so I don't think
the key transition is the problem. Did you have any keys in your
keychain? It's not very obvious and it's fairly far down in the INN
INSTALL instructions.

(For whatever it's worth, my INN installation processed the newgroup
without any problems, but that's probably unsurprising.)

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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From: boa...@big-8.org (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:20 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:55:53 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

> newgroups were posted with both the old and the new keys, so I don't
> think the key transition is the problem. Did you have any keys in your
> keychain? It's not very obvious and it's fairly far down in the INN
> INSTALL instructions.
>

I will double check this. Thanks, Russ.

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 by: Todd M. McComb - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:53 UTC

In article <sl8upl$ji0$2@theuse.news.theuse.net>,
Jason Evans <board@big-8.org> wrote:
>That's why I posted this to see if other server admins could let
>me know if they are now carrying the goup.

First post just appeared on the new group. From news.individual.net.

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 by: Henning Hucke - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:53 UTC

On 2021-10-26, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hello Richard,

> Henning Hucke <h_hucke+spam.news@newsmail.aeon.icebear.org> writes:
> [...]
>> And why do you put inn into a container anyway?
>
> Easier long-term management.

I doubt this. I'm able to do both things; building deb packages as well
as putting stuff into docker containers and I find it slightly easier
and for shure less resource intensive to build a deb package. Especially
since one can easily use/reuse the already existing deb source package
to build one with a new version of inn on for debian.

It would be something else if a container would impose more security or
a more stable runtime environment. But inn is obviously well compilable
for diverse version of Linux and more than that for debian Linux.

Anyway. If it works for you do it this way for yourself.

Best regards
Henning
--
How many bits would a BitBlit blit if a BitBlit could blit bits?
-- macanespie@waves.pas.ti.com in <1993Nov16.130625.1@waves.pas.ti.com>

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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:05 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:03:31 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> It’s my own creation.

Would you consider sharing your Dockerfile or a link to Github/lab/
whatever?

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 by: Russ Allbery - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:09 UTC

Henning Hucke <h_hucke+spam.news@newsmail.aeon.icebear.org> writes:

> I doubt this. I'm able to do both things; building deb packages as well
> as putting stuff into docker containers and I find it slightly easier
> and for shure less resource intensive to build a deb package. Especially
> since one can easily use/reuse the already existing deb source package
> to build one with a new version of inn on for debian.

They're not mutually exclusive! You can use the Debian package inside a
Docker container fairly easily, and indeed that's often a sensible thing
to do (particularly if you're happy with the package that comes with the
latest stable, which Richard presumably isn't since he's doing active
development on INN).

If the goal is to have a reproducible INN server build from checked-in
configuration in Git or the like, you can do that with a config management
system like Puppet on a server or you can do that with a Docker build
script, and I think which one you choose is to a large degree a matter of
taste. They have different trade-offs (Docker images are easier to move
around to different hosts, for instance, but require more fiddling around
with mounting storage). Personally, I use Puppet but that's probably an
artifact of when I started and the fact I already had a Puppet module
laying around.

> It would be something else if a container would impose more security or a
> more stable runtime environment.

It can impose somewhat more security, although it's probably equivalent to
the systemd unit file provided that you uncomment all the bits that
require installing a non-setuid MTA.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:14 UTC

Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
> Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> It’s my own creation.
>
> Would you consider sharing your Dockerfile or a link to Github/lab/
> whatever?

It’s rather tied up with a lot of stuff that’s unique to me, both in
terms of underlying infrastructure and what it shares its git repo
with. From anyone else’s point of view it’s probably idiosyncratic at
best! But maybe if I have time.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 21:39 UTC

Jason Evans schrieb:

> I would appreciate it if anyone running a server could check to see if
> they are carrying this newsgroup.

The newgroup (one of them ...) has been executed here:
| Oct 25 22:00:03 weidegrund innd: ctlinnd command k:comp.infosystems.gemini:y:group-admin@isc.org
| Oct 25 22:00:04 weidegrund innd: SERVER newgroup comp.infosystems.gemini as y

(Time ist GMT+0200, MEST).

-thh

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 by: Nigel Reed - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:27 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:42:14 -0000 (UTC)
Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday, a signed control message went out to create
> comp.infosystems.gemini at around 20:00GMT. I can see the control
> message on my server but my INN did not automatically add it to the
> /var/lib/news/ newsgroups file. Though I do see it in
> https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/ CONFIG/newsgroups. Previously new
> groups had been added to my file automatically.
>

> I would appreciate it if anyone running a server could check to see
> if they are carrying this newsgroup. Thanks!

I saw the message come through but I don't think my newsserver added it
automatically. Whether I have the config correct to do that is really a
crap shoot. I was just trying to get it up and running. I'll have to
dig into the config a bit more.

--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

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 by: Nigel Reed - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:51 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:47:43 +0200
Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

> % gpg --list-keys
> /home/news/.gnupg/pubring.kbx

What does one do when there are no keys?
Do I have to go through the control.ctl file and pull down and import
each one individually (gpg won't install the first one I got because it
was PGP-2), or is there a nice list somewhere of all the keys that
should be imported?

--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

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 by: Russ Allbery - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:00 UTC

Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:

> What does one do when there are no keys?
> Do I have to go through the control.ctl file and pull down and import
> each one individually (gpg won't install the first one I got because it
> was PGP-2), or is there a nice list somewhere of all the keys that
> should be imported?

You can download:

https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS

and just run gpg --import on it.

This is mentioned in the INSTALL guide but it's pretty buried (literally
at the bottom) because there are so many details to installing INN.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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 by: Nigel Reed - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 05:26 UTC

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:00:01 -0700
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

> You can download:
>
> https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS
>
> and just run gpg --import on it.

Doh, totally missed that bit right at the end. Is it expected that most
of the keys wont import?

gpg: Total number processed: 103
gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
gpg: imported: 16

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:56 UTC

Hi Nigel,

Adding news.admin.hierarchies in the discussion because it may be time
to generate new PGP keys for still active hierarchies.

>> You can download:
>>
>> https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS
>>
>> and just run gpg --import on it.
>
> Doh, totally missed that bit right at the end. Is it expected that most
> of the keys wont import?
>
>
> gpg: Total number processed: 103
> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
> gpg: imported: 16

The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of
the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa,
microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and
z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have
PGP-2 keys...

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Quoi de plus inhumain qu'un sacrifice humain ? » (Alphonse Allais)

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:01 UTC

Hi Russ,

> This is mentioned in the INSTALL guide but it's pretty buried (literally
> at the bottom) because there are so many details to installing INN.

Wondering whether we could not add configure options to install
wide-spread stuff like Cleanfeed, NoCeM and PGP keys for control
articles (like we already install control.ctl).

--with-cleanfeed
--with-pyclean
--with-all-control-keys
--with-all-nocem-keys

This way, all these could be updated at the same time INN is.

Any thoughts about that?

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Quoi de plus inhumain qu'un sacrifice humain ? » (Alphonse Allais)

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:10 UTC

Responding to myself,

> Wondering whether we could not add configure options to install
> wide-spread stuff like Cleanfeed, NoCeM and PGP keys for control
> articles (like we already install control.ctl).
>
> --with-cleanfeed
> --with-pyclean
> --with-all-control-keys
> --with-all-nocem-keys
>
> This way, all these could be updated at the same time INN is.
>
> Any thoughts about that?

Or probably better, adding 4 scripts to do that. The news admin can
then execute them whenever he wants.
Similarly to the buildinnkeyring shipped with the Debian package:
https://salsa.debian.org/md/inn2/-/blob/master/debian/patches/extra-scripts

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – Ils s'arrêtaient tous les jours à 5 heures, pour boire de l'eau
chaude…
– Je prendrai un nuage de lait, je vous prie. » (Astérix)

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 by: Russ Allbery - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:22 UTC

Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:

> Doh, totally missed that bit right at the end. Is it expected that most
> of the keys wont import?

> gpg: Total number processed: 103
> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
> gpg: imported: 16

It is, yes, and most of them are inactive, but I also just realized that I
haven't updated the Big Eight control key in that file like I thought that
I did, so that one also failed to import. :(

I will try to get that fixed and in the meantime you can get the new key
from https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/big-8/key.asc since that's probably one
of the more interesting ones that you want to import.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 21:28 UTC

Just a ping :-)
Finding a packaged old version of GnuPG to verify old keys will be more
and more difficult year by year...

>> Is it expected that most of the keys wont import?
>>
>>
>> gpg: Total number processed: 103
>> gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
>> gpg:               imported: 16
>
> The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of
> the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa,
> microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.
>
> belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and
> z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have
> PGP-2 keys...

I hope hierarchy administrators will manage to find a bit of time; news
admins will be grateful for that :-)

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – Hou hou !
– Ouille, ouille !
– Ouf !
– Où ouf ? » (Astérix)

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