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* net.* hierarchyJason Evans
+* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
|`- Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
`* Re: net.* hierarchyJulien ÉLIE
 +- Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
 `* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
  `* Re: net.* hierarchyRink
   `* Re: net.* hierarchyJulien ÉLIE
    `* Re: net.* hierarchyRuss Allbery
     `* Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
      `* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
       `* Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
        `- Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein

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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: net.* hierarchy
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:01:32 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Jason Evans - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:01 UTC

I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

--
JE

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From: thh...@thh.name (Thomas Hochstein)
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 21:18 UTC

Jason Evans wrote:

> I was surprised to see that the isc list
> still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 05:22:39 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 8 Jun 2021 05:22 UTC

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.

--
JE

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Tue, 8 Jun 2021 12:38 UTC

Hi Jason,

> I was surprised to see that the isc list
> still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

> Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
> is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned".
Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Ta remise sur pied lui a fait perdre la tête ! » (Astérix)

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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:05:49 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:05 UTC

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

>
> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?
>

Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/

--
JE

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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53 UTC

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

> The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
> not seem relevant any longer:
> URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
> Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

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From: rink.hof...@planet.nl (Rink)
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 by: Rink - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:51 UTC

Op 8-6-2021 om 23:53 schreef Thomas Hochstein:
> Julien ÉLIE schrieb:
>
>> The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
>> not seem relevant any longer:
>> URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
>> Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc
>
> They disappeared about 10 years ago.
>
>> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?
>
> I don't think so.
>

I googled and found this site:

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.
(I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

Rink

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:39 UTC

Hi Rink,

>>> The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
>>> not seem relevant any longer:
>>>     URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
>>>     Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc
>>
>> They disappeared about 10 years ago.
>>
>>> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?
>
> I googled and found this site:
>
> <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>
>
> But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
> were looking for.

Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know. It
indeed gives more background about Usenet II. Pretty interesting for
historic purpose.
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no
longer exists. RIP.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Open the black window and type text, to fix the network. »

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 by: Russ Allbery - Mon, 28 Jun 2021 03:03 UTC

Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

> Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
> how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
> homepage. It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
> homepage no longer exists. RIP.

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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 by: Jason Evans - Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:48 UTC

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:03:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

> Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
> everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
> less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:35 UTC

Jason Evans wrote:

> The archives of net
> hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
> https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

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From: "jsev...@mailfence.com" (Jason Evans)
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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 by: Jason Evans - Wed, 30 Jun 2021 07:11 UTC

>I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
>from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
>Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.
>
>-thh

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Wed, 30 Jun 2021 07:47 UTC

Jason Evans schrieb:

> It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
> newsgroup.

Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

-thh

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