On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 16:44:40 -0000, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

> On 05/01/2023 14:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:39:05 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>>>> ones and chews them.
>>>
>>> The parrot is optional with this one.
>>>
>>> You might have to sell your parrot, to afford it. Stainless.
>>
>> I could buy 4 or 5 of those with this parrot. They're endangered, shot
>> up in price.
>>
>>> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/shop/keyboards/metal-keyboards/industrial-metal-kiosk-full-size-trackball-keyboard-with-backside-mounting-dkm-ft-1002-front/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/KBM-DKM-FT-1002-FRONT_021.jpg
>>>
>>> The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
>>> Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current keyboard
>>> is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.
>>
>> What is double shot?
>
> Produced with two materials - ie the white part of the letters is not
> just printed on, it is a bit of white plastic moulded inside the black
> bit of plastic.

Ah, I guess the Weibo £3 keyboard I'm typing on is not double shot then.

It's a pity they don't all use the same shape to plug into the holes, then you could just buy replacement keys.

I used to do that at work (a school), the kids would pick off the keys or try to swap them over for a laugh and screw up (this is on laptops so more fiddly). I bought keyboards to take keys off for replacements. If many of one particular key were going missing, I'd buy just those keys on mass on Ebay, but people sell those for £1 each! Bit annoying when the parrot can destroy 5 in a few minutes.

On 05/01/2023 06:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
> and chews them.
Have heard of super-glue? You can use it to glue all the keys of your
keyboard to keep them safe from roaming parrot in your house.

https://docs.rs-online.com/376b/0900766b8002c4ea.pdf

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 00:39:05 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>> and chews them.
>
> The parrot is optional with this one.
>
> You might have to sell your parrot, to afford it. Stainless.
>
> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/shop/keyboards/metal-keyboards/industrial-metal-kiosk-full-size-trackball-keyboard-with-backside-mounting-dkm-ft-1002-front/
>
> https://www.dsi-keyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/KBM-DKM-FT-1002-FRONT_021.jpg
>
> The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
> Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current keyboard
> is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.

Yeah, that's why I went for a backlit keyboard to get the double shot
keytops
that they have to have for the backlighting, Handy otherwise too because
I compute from a deep armchair with my feet up on a stool with the keyboard
off to the left of the deep armchair when I am not actually typing on it
in volume
like when posting. Thats under the second monitor and it can be quite dark
there at night and I need to type a couple of letters.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 00:46:13 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-05 11:02, Bill wrote:
>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>> and chews them.
>> Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can
>> browse on his own. : )
>
> Maybe the bird hates the noise of the keyboard or the attention given to
> it, and that's his way of complaining :-D

Nar they chew on everything to trim their beaks. They chew on his cables
too.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>>
>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>>> vastness of the internet...
>>
>> chatgpg? :-)
>
> I have already googled it.

Doubtful.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 01:55:52 +1100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:

> In message <tp6jtp$2r2ja$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> writes
>> The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
>> Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current
>> keyboard
>> is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.
>
> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to buy a new keyboard
> when the old one is working fine but I can no longer tell one key from
> another.

Get a backlit keyboard. Those are double injection moulded
and the letters don't wear off.

> (And as I have become older my ability to touch-type has steadily
> declined.)

Haven't found that myself.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 03:26:29 +1100, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <Hhl5naC4TutjFwdZ@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
>> >Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current
>> keyboard
>> >is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.
>>
>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to buy a new keyboard
>> when the old one is working fine but I can no longer tell one key from
>> another. (And as I have become older my ability to touch-type has
>> steadily declined.)

> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the markings wear off

Backlit keyboards work much better.

> (plus it prevents food and dirt from getting into it), or one with new
> markings for a keyboard where they have worn down.

On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>>>
>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>
>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>
>> I have already googled it.
>
> Doubtful.

And chatgpg is smarter than google.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:10:44 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>>>>>> ones and chews them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to
>>>>> search the
>>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>>
>>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>>
>>> I have already googled it.
>> Doubtful.
>
> And chatgpg is smarter than google.

In what way ?

I continue to be amazed at how often google manages to give
me the info I want in the first hit and if not on the first page.

Did it again yesterday when I couldnt remember the name
of the Spooks and Line of Duty TV series, first hit both times.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 23:50:21 -0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

> On 05/01/2023 14:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:02:11 -0000, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>> and chews them.
>>>
>>> Buy yourself a new keyboard and give him your old one? That way he can
>>> browse on his own. : )
>>
>> He can remove every key in 5 minutes, then proceed to chew each one 30
>> seconds at a time. All it takes is damage to the flimsy bit at the back
>> that slots into the base and it's useless.
>
> There are people on Etsy selling stainless steel and aluminium keycaps
> but they very expensive - £20 plus per key!
>
> Rather than an expensive metal keyboard perhaps you could settle for a
> cheap budgie^Wbudget one. :-)

I already have a cheapo one and regularly swap parts, but the same keys are attacked so I run out of them. These Etsy ones, can you buy individual keys? And will they fit any keyboard?

In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to buy a new keyboard
> >> when the old one is working fine but I can no longer tell one key from
> >> another. (And as I have become older my ability to touch-type has
> >> steadily declined.)
>
> > get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the markings wear off
>
> Backlit keyboards work much better.

it's not either/or. do both.

On 2023-01-05 23:25, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:10:44 +1100, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R.
>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>>>>>>> ones and chews them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to
>>>>>> search the
>>>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>>>
>>>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I have already googled it.
>>>  Doubtful.
>>
>> And chatgpg is smarter than google.
>
> In what way ?

Amazing question :-)

>
> I continue to be amazed at how often google manages to give
> me the info I want in the first hit and if not on the first page.
>
> Did it again yesterday when I couldnt remember the name
> of the Spooks and Line of Duty TV series, first hit both times.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 14:09:28 +1100, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to buy a new keyboard
>> >> when the old one is working fine but I can no longer tell one key
>> from
>> >> another. (And as I have become older my ability to touch-type has
>> >> steadily declined.)
>>
>> > get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the markings wear
>> off
>>
>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>
> it's not either/or. do both.

No thanks, keyboard covers are a pain in the arse to use.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message news:op.1yabegbwmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
>
> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
> looking for
> a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.

Step 1
You can call up our staff and explain Your situation. (520)477-1191
STEP 2
Schedule an Appointment
STEP 3
We will Schedule a Time for You to bring Your parrot or for us to pick it
up.
Our Service is Free of Charge!

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>>
>>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>>
>>> I have already googled it.
>>
>> Doubtful.
>
> And chatgpg is smarter than google.

Do you mean chatGPT?

In message <op.1ybguor4byq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes
>On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 01:55:52 +1100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> In message <tp6jtp$2r2ja$1@dont-email.me>, Paul
>><nospam@needed.invalid> writes
>>> The problem with a lot of keyboards, is how long the legends last.
>>> Those are not double-shot, because they're stainless. My current
>>>keyboard
>>> is not double-shot, and on the A,S,E the legend is fading.
>>
>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to buy a new keyboard
>>when the old one is working fine but I can no longer tell one key from
>>another.
>
>Get a backlit keyboard. Those are double injection moulded
>and the letters don't wear off.

Thanks. I'll investigate that.
--
John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"

On 2023-01-06 08:42, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>>>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>>>
>>>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I have already googled it.
>>>
>>> Doubtful.
>>
>> And chatgpg is smarter than google.
>
> Do you mean chatGPT?
>

Yep. Sorry, mistype. :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> It's a £1700 bird and I'm trying to breed them.

Breed for sale? Or you want more of these noisemakers for yourself? If
the latter, do you live in a residence with separate walls from your
neighbors? Won't take many complaints if you're in an apartment or
condo to force you to lose them.

Have you looked into the cost and regulations regarding parrot breeding.
You'll also need the tool and closed rings to mark the birds for sale
which must be attached within 2 to 3 weeks after their hatching. Both
parent and offspring must have been bred in captivity, so your breeders
must have closed rings, and their sale included proof of captive
breeding for the parent birds.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-wild-birds/licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-birds-gl18
(you mentioned Pounds for price of the birds, but not where you are)

Just because you own an animal doesn't grant permission to breed them
for sale of offspring. Hmm, is there an equivalent of ASPCA wherever is
the OP? RSPCA maybe? Doesn't seem you have adequate environs for
breeding birds.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 02:52:30 +1100, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a £1700 bird and I'm trying to breed them.

> Breed for sale?

Yep. He has lots of them.

> Or you want more of these noisemakers for yourself? If
> the latter, do you live in a residence with separate walls from your
> neighbors?

Yes he does, standalone house.

> Won't take many complaints if you're in an apartment or
> condo to force you to lose them.

He's in Scotland, that doesn't happen there.

> Have you looked into the cost and regulations regarding parrot breeding.
> You'll also need the tool and closed rings to mark the birds for sale
> which must be attached within 2 to 3 weeks after their hatching. Both
> parent and offspring must have been bred in captivity, so your breeders
> must have closed rings, and their sale included proof of captive
> breeding for the parent birds.

He flouts all regulations he doesn't agree with.

> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-wild-birds/licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-birds-gl18
> (you mentioned Pounds for price of the birds, but not where you are)

Scotland, where that regulation doesn't apply. Scotland has its own rules.

> Just because you own an animal doesn't grant permission to breed them
> for sale of offspring.

Fraid so in Scotland.

> Hmm, is there an equivalent of ASPCA wherever is
> the OP? RSPCA maybe? Doesn't seem you have adequate environs for
> breeding birds.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to.

And he doesn't care what anyone thinks is adequate anyway.

Commander Kinsey:

> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal
> keys?

Seems to be: https://www.metal-keyboard.com/

> I' am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls
> off the plastic ones and chews them.

Have you considered a keyboard protector or cover, either
tight-fitting or in the form of a hard plexiglass case?

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On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 05:03:50 -0000, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message news:op.1yabegbwmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for
>> a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> Step 1
> You can call up our staff and explain Your situation. (520)477-1191
> STEP 2
> Schedule an Appointment
> STEP 3
> We will Schedule a Time for You to bring Your parrot or for us to pick it
> up.
> Our Service is Free of Charge!

How very strange. So they collect valuable birds "for free", then presumably bring them to health and sell them? Is this for people who can't afford the vet? They're "paying" the price of their bird to repair it?

And I very much doubt Valleywide Parrot Rescue is Earthwide.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 12:06:35 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2023-01-06 08:42, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-05 20:09, Chris wrote:
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:44:50 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-01-05 10:10, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones and chews them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If only there were a system, an "engine" you could call it, to search the
>>>>>>> vastness of the internet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chatgpg? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already googled it.
>>>>
>>>> Doubtful.
>>>
>>> And chatgpg is smarter than google.
>>
>> Do you mean chatGPT?
>>
>
> Yep. Sorry, mistype. :-)

Er.... GUID Partition Table?

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 15:52:30 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a £1700 bird and I'm trying to breed them.
>
> Breed for sale? Or you want more of these noisemakers for yourself?

Both. I would keep about 1 in 5.

> If the latter, do you live in a residence with separate walls from your
> neighbors? Won't take many complaints if you're in an apartment or
> condo to force you to lose them.

Semi detached. One of 4 walls of the house joins onto my neighbour. Can't hear much through it, only very loud music close to the wall. My neighbour loves birds, she would never complain.

> Have you looked into the cost and regulations regarding parrot breeding.
> You'll also need the tool and closed rings to mark the birds for sale
> which must be attached within 2 to 3 weeks after their hatching. Both
> parent and offspring must have been bred in captivity, so your breeders
> must have closed rings, and their sale included proof of captive
> breeding for the parent birds.

Only for the endangered ones, and I have all you mentioned. DEFRA certificates for the birds. Rings are placed on when young and since they're closed, they do not use a tool. Tools are for open rings which are probably not allowed as they can be put on an adult.

> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-wild-birds/licence-to-sell-captive-bred-live-birds-gl18
> (you mentioned Pounds for price of the birds, but not where you are)

I believe that's for wild birds (as in wild in this country). The DEFRA certificate for the endangered ones includes permission to breed.

I can't find any web page saying a license is required for breeding birds in the UK, and no breeder I know has one.

> Just because you own an animal doesn't grant permission to breed them
> for sale of offspring.

Yes it does.

> Hmm, is there an equivalent of ASPCA wherever is
> the OP? RSPCA maybe? Doesn't seem you have adequate environs for
> breeding birds.

Of course I do. The same as anyone else does, and more than most:

Aviaries are 8 foot high, and up to 10 metres long.

Now get off your fucking high horse, what are you a policeman?

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 18:31:05 -0000, Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey:
>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal
>> keys?
>
> Seems to be: https://www.metal-keyboard.com/

WTF? That website has no prices. So people just buy them and pay whatever billions they charge later without question?

>> I'm looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls
>> off the plastic ones and chews them.
>
> Have you considered a keyboard protector or cover, either
> tight-fitting or in the form of a hard plexiglass case?

Makes typing difficult if permanent. No better as a temporary measure than simply moving the keyboard out the way, which I do when I remember.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 15:52:30 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a £1700 bird and I'm trying to breed them.
>
> Breed for sale? Or you want more of these noisemakers for yourself?
> If the latter, do you live in a residence with separate walls from your
> neighbors? Won't take many complaints if you're in an apartment or
> condo to force you to lose them.
>
> Have you looked into the cost and regulations regarding parrot breeding.
> You'll also need the tool and closed rings to mark the birds for sale
> which must be attached within 2 to 3 weeks after their hatching. Both
> parent and offspring must have been bred in captivity, so your breeders
> must have closed rings, and their sale included proof of captive
> breeding for the parent birds.

Since DEFRA already know I breed them (when I phoned to apply for the certificates), and the RSPCA have been to my house (there have been problems with dogs around here) and know I breed them and have seen the aviaries, which she referred to as a "paradise", it's perfectly legal, so stop getting all high and mighty. Your attitude is beyond a joke. Amazing how you start off calling them noisemakers, then get all protective over their welfare, well fuck you.